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why is nastase considered a Romanian-American by wiki? he stayed in the US for a while and played there... but he is a Romanian and lives in Romania. Could someone change this? query added by 86.104.216.79 (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2006
Because I was connected too long my corrections hadn't been identified under my pseudonym (but under 80.70.42.194 and 84.96.87.77). I have added all the tournaments not listed by the ATP and I've also corrected Montréal 1972 to Toronto 1972. The Canadian Open (Montréal/Toronto) in the ATP Web site is always wrongly sited at Montreal : in fact it permuted each year, held one year at Montréal and the following one at Toronto and so on ... In 1972 the Canadian Open won by Nastase took place at Toronto and not at Montréal as indicated by the ATP. Carlo Colussi 10:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
His first book list ended in autumn 1991 (I do not exactly remember) and not with the Masters 1991 : I think October for the main tournaments (probably Paris-Bercy) and September for the challenger tournaments. But Sutter had to end his book for the Masters 1991.
His second book list ended on April 27, 2003 (I suppose in order to be presented during the Roland Garros tournament) Carlo Colussi 07:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a good book? To buy it I mean. (?)-- Lucio Garcia ( talk) 18:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
I would say the 1991 edition is complete enough from the 50s but many results of the 40's are missing. The 2003 edition just lists the winners and their victories by year (and not date) and alphabetic order. In that last edition are missing many challenger tournaments of the late 90s-early 2000s. Of course they are some errors (for instance the 1951 World Pro at Lakewood won by Kovacs is listed twice, some cities are wrong, many dates aren't good and so on) as everywhere and in general, but not always, he dismissed the less than 8-man tournaments (one example : he picked up the South Australian Pro held at Perth in January 1964, a 4-man round robin tournament but he made an error because he wrote that Hoad was the 2nd instead of Rosewall, in fact Hoad played the last match against the winner, Laver). So Sutter's book isn't perfect but it's quite good. If you want more professional tours details look at "the History of Professional Tennis" by Joe McCauley. Here too there are errors : for instance the 1945 meeting between Kovacs and Van Horn wasn't a 4-man tournament final held in May but a championship match of a World Series (which didn't continue) with a preliminary match between Tilden and Lyttelton Rogers and was played on March 10. To have more details for the 1926-1945 period look at http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines-archive.html where there are several reports (the first link in the site is "FORGOTTEN VICTORIES: A History of Pro Tennis 1926-1945, CH XIII - THE HIGH WAR YEARS 1943-1945" http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_07_10_27.html and the last one (but the first written) is "Suzanne Lenglen and the First Pro Tour" http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html in the "August 1998 - 2002" Archives. Carlo Colussi ( talk) 12:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello Feardes. I'm just looking at the ATP Website (Wednesday, August, 29, 2007) and I don't find either the Avis Challenge Cup (WCT) in 1976 either the Las Vegas Challenge Cup WCT in 1977 or Montego Bay in 1978 in this site. Are those tournaments in the ATP Players' Guide ? Thank you for the answer. Carlo Colussi 06:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Mentioned tournaments are also listed as Nastase's titles in "2004 ATP Players Guide". The only issue is that they are assigned to a different years. Feardes 19:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC). Thank you I've added those sources in the article. Carlo Colussi 07:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC). By chance I've seen an old version you've written on September 3 that you've erased : in particular the source of the 1968 Bogota win : I will add the source in the article. Carlo Colussi 07:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you. Tennis expert ( talk) 18:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
The discussion was merged into Wikipedia:Requested moves/Tennis. Result was do not move. Prolog ( talk) 18:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The name of this article should be changed to "Ilie Nastase" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, which are the Association of Tennis Professionals and the International Tennis Federation. This is also the name used on the English-language website of Davis Cup. Finally, this is the name used on the English-language websites of the Grand Slam titles he won or was runner-up: French Open (Roland Garros), Wimbledon men's singles, Wimbledon men's doubles, Wimbledon mixed doubles, US Open men's singles, US Open men's doubles, US Open mixed doubles. Tennis expert ( talk) 05:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe that soon will be recognize in ATP player profile -- Lucio Garcia ( talk) 14:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Some issues with the prose include:
The Rambling Man ( talk) 12:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
this section seems like a sycophantic wet dream! but i know too little about tennis, so i wouldn't feel comfortable about changing it... Myself0101 ( talk) 17:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
If you don't know much about tennis please go and learn a bit before "vommenting" here. Read the tennis hall of fame page: http://www.tennisfame.com/famer.aspx?pgID=867&hof_id=217 Nastase is one of the very very few real "geniuses" of tennis. He did not have a very fast serve, but during play could place a ball ANYWHERE HE WANTED on the opponent's court from almost any position. He could (can?) shoot huge spin-magic balls and I don't know of anyone else able to do that (especially in contemporary tennis, which is based mostly on serve shooting)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.218.146.201 ( talk) 12:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Nastase was one of the few players who could use "antics" to try and disrupt his opponent's concentration and it often drew laughter from crowds. He was an entertainer, sure, but the article has fancruft about it at the time of writing this. Phrases such as "Ilie Năstase was noted for his sorcery with the racket" are quoted as proof of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.237.91 ( talk) 15:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
The word "distinctions" for several of these entries is just another word for "trivia", which is disencouraged by WP. I propose renaming it to something like "Firsts and records", and removing any trivia already mentioned elsewhere in the article. 173.168.177.217 ( talk) 22:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)(UTC)
This sentence doesn't make sense: "He is the second male player to win a Grand Slam without dropping a set after Ilie Nastase and first one to achieve this feat at French Open (1973)."
Who was the first to win a Grand Slam without dropping a set? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.33.202.86 ( talk) 16:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
ANSWER
In the open era Kenneth Robert Rosewall win the 1971 Australian Open without losing a set. However there were only 48 entrants in that tourney with 6 rounds so 16 players, among them Rosewall, as #2 seed, had byes in the first round. Therefore Kenny only played 5 matches to capture the Australian crown that year Carlo Colussi ( talk) 12:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:MOSPN#Diacritics, split usage in English sources, and both options given in Britannica -- JHunterJ ( talk) 19:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Ilie Năstase → Ilie Nastase – Per the ITF regulating body, the ATP, Davis Cup, and most English sources (this time even Encyclopedia Britannica), his English common name is "Ilie Nastase". Compare to Novak Djokovic. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
FYI The Davis Cup not only deprives the players' names of its diacritics but it does so with all names such as cities', stadiums' and so on. As far as I know cities names can not be changed and this goes for stadiums as well. These are all against WP policies. Why follow it when it comes to players names and not overrule it as we does when we edit e.g. 2012 Davis Cup World Group. We have the cities/stadiums diacritics on. Or let's suppose a stadium is notable because a Davis Cup tie was held there. Should we have its article without diacritics just because of that? Obviously not. So we agree that's an error when it appears in city/stadium names. Why repeat that error in other cases? Do you tell me that cities must register at IPIN too? And that they do it by their own will and choose their names? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 08:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 19:35, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Ilie Năstase → Ilie Nastase – As per WP:ENGLISH and WP:NAME particularly when it says that article titles must be in the English name. The alternative/non English name should be in brackets in the first line. From WP Diacritics when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language. So there we go that's the general usage covered as BBC, Guardian, Times, Telegraph, Mail et al. All English Language sources all RS and none of them use diacritics. GAtechnical ( talk) 19:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
This is the English Wikiepdia. IF you want diacritics then take them to your own language. They are not used on English Language websites, newspapers or books and if they do certainly not consistently. They are not appropriate or part of the English Language, unless you're spelling Emily or Cafe. GAtechnical ( talk) 12:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
@In ictu oculi What utter nonsense you spout. WP Diacritics states that it is English RS that determined whether accents are used not any old non English RS and that sunny is exactly what the policy you worship states. So vote should void. Not a valid reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GAtechnical ( talk • contribs) 20:49, 12 March 2013
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why is nastase considered a Romanian-American by wiki? he stayed in the US for a while and played there... but he is a Romanian and lives in Romania. Could someone change this? query added by 86.104.216.79 (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2006
Because I was connected too long my corrections hadn't been identified under my pseudonym (but under 80.70.42.194 and 84.96.87.77). I have added all the tournaments not listed by the ATP and I've also corrected Montréal 1972 to Toronto 1972. The Canadian Open (Montréal/Toronto) in the ATP Web site is always wrongly sited at Montreal : in fact it permuted each year, held one year at Montréal and the following one at Toronto and so on ... In 1972 the Canadian Open won by Nastase took place at Toronto and not at Montréal as indicated by the ATP. Carlo Colussi 10:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
His first book list ended in autumn 1991 (I do not exactly remember) and not with the Masters 1991 : I think October for the main tournaments (probably Paris-Bercy) and September for the challenger tournaments. But Sutter had to end his book for the Masters 1991.
His second book list ended on April 27, 2003 (I suppose in order to be presented during the Roland Garros tournament) Carlo Colussi 07:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a good book? To buy it I mean. (?)-- Lucio Garcia ( talk) 18:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
I would say the 1991 edition is complete enough from the 50s but many results of the 40's are missing. The 2003 edition just lists the winners and their victories by year (and not date) and alphabetic order. In that last edition are missing many challenger tournaments of the late 90s-early 2000s. Of course they are some errors (for instance the 1951 World Pro at Lakewood won by Kovacs is listed twice, some cities are wrong, many dates aren't good and so on) as everywhere and in general, but not always, he dismissed the less than 8-man tournaments (one example : he picked up the South Australian Pro held at Perth in January 1964, a 4-man round robin tournament but he made an error because he wrote that Hoad was the 2nd instead of Rosewall, in fact Hoad played the last match against the winner, Laver). So Sutter's book isn't perfect but it's quite good. If you want more professional tours details look at "the History of Professional Tennis" by Joe McCauley. Here too there are errors : for instance the 1945 meeting between Kovacs and Van Horn wasn't a 4-man tournament final held in May but a championship match of a World Series (which didn't continue) with a preliminary match between Tilden and Lyttelton Rogers and was played on March 10. To have more details for the 1926-1945 period look at http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines-archive.html where there are several reports (the first link in the site is "FORGOTTEN VICTORIES: A History of Pro Tennis 1926-1945, CH XIII - THE HIGH WAR YEARS 1943-1945" http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_07_10_27.html and the last one (but the first written) is "Suzanne Lenglen and the First Pro Tour" http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines_99_10_31.html in the "August 1998 - 2002" Archives. Carlo Colussi ( talk) 12:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello Feardes. I'm just looking at the ATP Website (Wednesday, August, 29, 2007) and I don't find either the Avis Challenge Cup (WCT) in 1976 either the Las Vegas Challenge Cup WCT in 1977 or Montego Bay in 1978 in this site. Are those tournaments in the ATP Players' Guide ? Thank you for the answer. Carlo Colussi 06:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Mentioned tournaments are also listed as Nastase's titles in "2004 ATP Players Guide". The only issue is that they are assigned to a different years. Feardes 19:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC). Thank you I've added those sources in the article. Carlo Colussi 07:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC). By chance I've seen an old version you've written on September 3 that you've erased : in particular the source of the 1968 Bogota win : I will add the source in the article. Carlo Colussi 07:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you. Tennis expert ( talk) 18:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
The discussion was merged into Wikipedia:Requested moves/Tennis. Result was do not move. Prolog ( talk) 18:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The name of this article should be changed to "Ilie Nastase" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, which are the Association of Tennis Professionals and the International Tennis Federation. This is also the name used on the English-language website of Davis Cup. Finally, this is the name used on the English-language websites of the Grand Slam titles he won or was runner-up: French Open (Roland Garros), Wimbledon men's singles, Wimbledon men's doubles, Wimbledon mixed doubles, US Open men's singles, US Open men's doubles, US Open mixed doubles. Tennis expert ( talk) 05:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe that soon will be recognize in ATP player profile -- Lucio Garcia ( talk) 14:12, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Some issues with the prose include:
The Rambling Man ( talk) 12:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
this section seems like a sycophantic wet dream! but i know too little about tennis, so i wouldn't feel comfortable about changing it... Myself0101 ( talk) 17:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
If you don't know much about tennis please go and learn a bit before "vommenting" here. Read the tennis hall of fame page: http://www.tennisfame.com/famer.aspx?pgID=867&hof_id=217 Nastase is one of the very very few real "geniuses" of tennis. He did not have a very fast serve, but during play could place a ball ANYWHERE HE WANTED on the opponent's court from almost any position. He could (can?) shoot huge spin-magic balls and I don't know of anyone else able to do that (especially in contemporary tennis, which is based mostly on serve shooting)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.218.146.201 ( talk) 12:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Nastase was one of the few players who could use "antics" to try and disrupt his opponent's concentration and it often drew laughter from crowds. He was an entertainer, sure, but the article has fancruft about it at the time of writing this. Phrases such as "Ilie Năstase was noted for his sorcery with the racket" are quoted as proof of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.237.91 ( talk) 15:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
The word "distinctions" for several of these entries is just another word for "trivia", which is disencouraged by WP. I propose renaming it to something like "Firsts and records", and removing any trivia already mentioned elsewhere in the article. 173.168.177.217 ( talk) 22:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)(UTC)
This sentence doesn't make sense: "He is the second male player to win a Grand Slam without dropping a set after Ilie Nastase and first one to achieve this feat at French Open (1973)."
Who was the first to win a Grand Slam without dropping a set? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.33.202.86 ( talk) 16:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
ANSWER
In the open era Kenneth Robert Rosewall win the 1971 Australian Open without losing a set. However there were only 48 entrants in that tourney with 6 rounds so 16 players, among them Rosewall, as #2 seed, had byes in the first round. Therefore Kenny only played 5 matches to capture the Australian crown that year Carlo Colussi ( talk) 12:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:MOSPN#Diacritics, split usage in English sources, and both options given in Britannica -- JHunterJ ( talk) 19:15, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Ilie Năstase → Ilie Nastase – Per the ITF regulating body, the ATP, Davis Cup, and most English sources (this time even Encyclopedia Britannica), his English common name is "Ilie Nastase". Compare to Novak Djokovic. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 22:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
FYI The Davis Cup not only deprives the players' names of its diacritics but it does so with all names such as cities', stadiums' and so on. As far as I know cities names can not be changed and this goes for stadiums as well. These are all against WP policies. Why follow it when it comes to players names and not overrule it as we does when we edit e.g. 2012 Davis Cup World Group. We have the cities/stadiums diacritics on. Or let's suppose a stadium is notable because a Davis Cup tie was held there. Should we have its article without diacritics just because of that? Obviously not. So we agree that's an error when it appears in city/stadium names. Why repeat that error in other cases? Do you tell me that cities must register at IPIN too? And that they do it by their own will and choose their names? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 08:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 19:35, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Ilie Năstase → Ilie Nastase – As per WP:ENGLISH and WP:NAME particularly when it says that article titles must be in the English name. The alternative/non English name should be in brackets in the first line. From WP Diacritics when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language. So there we go that's the general usage covered as BBC, Guardian, Times, Telegraph, Mail et al. All English Language sources all RS and none of them use diacritics. GAtechnical ( talk) 19:03, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
This is the English Wikiepdia. IF you want diacritics then take them to your own language. They are not used on English Language websites, newspapers or books and if they do certainly not consistently. They are not appropriate or part of the English Language, unless you're spelling Emily or Cafe. GAtechnical ( talk) 12:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
@In ictu oculi What utter nonsense you spout. WP Diacritics states that it is English RS that determined whether accents are used not any old non English RS and that sunny is exactly what the policy you worship states. So vote should void. Not a valid reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GAtechnical ( talk • contribs) 20:49, 12 March 2013
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