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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of ISIL territorial claims's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know why this was deleted! anyway I'm reposting it again:
I think it would be better if we make a color coded table with list of Wilayat diclared by IS with the name of the Wilayah then cities under IS control and cities which was previously controlled then the date of creation and a color that till in which country this Wilayah is in e.g Red for Iraq, Green for Syria black for Iraq and Syria etc. I made this draft list of Wilayat and cities and I want somebody to help me with the table.
name of Wilayah - cities under IS control - cities which was previously controlled - Date of creation - country
Wilayat Baghdad - Al Mada'in - 70% of Baghdad - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat North Baghdad - N/A -Al Tarmyah - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Al Anbar - Hit, Rutbah - Ramadi, Haditha - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Kirkuk - Hawija - Daquq - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Salah al-Din - Tikrit, Al-Shirqat - Samarra, Baiji, Sulaiman Bek- 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Nineveh - Mosul, Sinjar, Tal Afar - Rabia, Makhmur - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Al Janoob - Farisiyah - Jurf al-Sakhar - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Diyala - Muqdadiyah - Sadiya, Jalawla, Al Adhaim, Baqubah - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Al Barakah - Tell Barrak, Ash-Shaddadeh - Ras al-Ayn - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Al Kheir - Deir ez-Zor, Mayadin -Full control- 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Ar-Raqqah - Raqqah -Full control- 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Al Badiya - Al-Halbah - Al-Sukhnah- 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Homs - Jubb al-Jarrah - N/A - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Halab - Al-Bab, Manbij, Ayn al-Arab - Azaz - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Idlib - N/A - Saraqeb - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Hama - Masoud - N/A - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Damascus - N/A - Mesraba - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Al Sahel - N/A - N/A - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat al-Furat - Al Bukmal, Al-Qa'im - Full control - 2014 - Syria and Iraq
Wilayat Fallujah - Fallujah - Amiriyat al-Fallujah - 2014 - Iraq
Wilayat Sinai- N/A -N/A - 2014 - Egypt
Wilayat Barqah - Derna - N/A - 2014 - Libya
Wilayat Fazzan - N/A - N/A - 2014 - Libya
Wilayat Trapols - N/A - N/A - 2014 - Libya
http://studies.aljazeera.net/files/isil/2014/11/2014112363816513973.htm
was posted 16:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
3bdulelah ( talk) 20:07, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
This content - the political subdivisions of a terrorist organization - has been soundly rejected by the Wikipedia community. Posting it here is not constructive. See these discussions as of which rejected such content:
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So you can post it, but there is really good justification to delete it. Legacypac ( talk) 04:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
It's a translation mistake, the guy didn't mean Italy's Rome, he meant Rûm, which refers to Christian World in Islamic context. -- Z 12:27, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello Mhhossein. I see that you attached a POV template onto this article on 2 January 2015. Would you please outline the main issues with the page in regards to POV so we can work towards correcting the problem. I would also like to ask other concerned editors and also yourself, if there would be objections to using the map from the main ISIL page in place of the current one, next to the lead. This last alteration is being suggested because the other map is more frequently updated and also that, using the same map across the wiki for related articles, would achieve consistency on the wiki. Mbcap ( talk) 22:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I've long wondered about the name of this article.
Possible titles might include: ISIL territorial control and ISIL territorial acquisition. I thought that the second title might have some validity as the group had early expansions as groups joined it and had further recent territorial gains as groups such as in Sinai and Derna have had memberships that have joined it. However this title may go a little far in its emphasis on this manner of expansion. I was also wondering of ISIL territorial extent or perhaps a similar title idea could be developed. Control if also a one sided verb and may not reflect that the group has had contractions as well as expansions. Greg Kaye 14:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of ISIL territorial claims's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ISIL gains supporters":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
The map is in need of update--the current version is several months old. Utahwriter14 ( talk) 21:11, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. No prejudice against a new RM with a more concrete proposal and neutral notifications for wider input. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:39, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
ISIL territorial claims → ? – ISIL territorial claims is a very clunky name, and is not a natural title for an article that is essentially a list of ISIL affiliates outside of Iraq & Syria. Also, technically ISIL has a territorial claim on all Muslim lands, and even the whole world. I propose either ISIL International Branches or ISIL International Affiliates
Gazkthul (
talk) 01:51, 4 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
Natg 19 (
talk)
01:46, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
It started as a section in the ISIL article spilt out to reduce the size of the main article. The group claimed specific areas parts of Syria and Iraq, then more places then more places. Then they claimed the whole world. The article lays out that progression. It was interesting intended to follow the title, not be a list of affiliates per se Legacypac ( talk) 13:08, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
ISIL territorial claims and Administrative divisions of ISIL contain overlapping content, but the former also provides context. It would be useful to have all the information on the same page. Abjiklɐm ( tɐlk) 16:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
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Panam2014, your behavior here is markedly worse than the IP's. Do not refer to good faith edits as vandalism and do not revert good faith edits without giving an edit summary. [3] Refusing to discuss while the article is not at your preferred version also has no basis in policy or guideline. -- NeilN talk to me 14:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
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Should the article ' ISIL territorial claims' contain an infobox; and if so, which should be used? Muffled Pocketed 14:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
ISIL is not a state because it is not a state according tot the convention of Montevideo. Also, FARC, PKK and Al Nusra are not a state but they control a territory. -- Panam2014 ( talk) 14:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Technically, on Wikipedia, the proto- state have no infobox . The People's republic of Donetsk is a State therefore has a infobox and the Western Sahara is just a geographic region. -- Panam2014 ( talk) 16:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
partial state, which is probably about half-way between a proto-state and a state. In the case of Donetsk, I'd reduce that to about a quarter or a fifth of the way between proto-state and state. This sub-thread however is going in circles and nobody is going to convince anybody of anything. Mr rnddude ( talk) 16:39, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article.meaning that any article may have an infobox or may not have an infobox. So any claim that this article cannot have an infobox is unfounded; i.e.
A proto State does not deserve a infoboxis a falsehood. You merely feel that way without policy backing so refer to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. In deciding whether an infobox is pertinent
[t]he most important group to consider are the casual readers of Wikipedia. So whether or not we include an infobox on this article should be down to whether or not the reader will find it useful. I contend that they will for a number of reasons; 1. This article is about ISIL territorial claims, so, we're going to need a map (presented in infobox). 2. Status, what is it? a state, a rebel state, a partially recognized state etc. (presented in infobox). 3. Who's in charge? and what type of government? (presented in infobox). 4. Other general factoids that a reader might want to know, where are they located? what's their flag? etc. All of this is currently presented in the infobox and is the easiest most accessible presentation of that information. Which leads into
the purpose of an infobox: to summarize ... key facts that appear in the articlewhich the current infobox sort of does but could be more effective. ISIL is a rebel state and nobody is packing their bags to visit, so why is this parameter filled out; "drives_on" = who cares? Further, I don't know how useful these are; "calling_code", "time zone", "utc_offset", 'utc_offset_DST" and "time zone DST". I honestly don't think any readers are going to care about this information. It is "trivial". Finally, which infobox is the most appropriate here? it's going to have to be a country based one, regardless of the actual statehood situation of ISIL the fields/parameters that are needed for an infobox article on this page are for a nation sized area. Perhaps, albeit unlikely, a compromise could be made to {{ infobox settlement}} alternatively and perhaps most usefully {{ infobox war faction}} could suffice and is used on both Al-Qaeda and ISIL. Otherwise I think infobox country will have to do. Finally, what is the function of this article? who created it and why? I am most sincerely curious. That is all I have for now. Mr rnddude ( talk) 16:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
The only mention is useful here is the map it not needs an Infobox. -- Panam2014 ( talk) 20:00, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Why does the name refer to the territorial claims of the Islamic State, when the article concerns its territorial acquisitions? Konli17 ( talk) 15:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Its territorial acquisitions...and subsequent losses. So it was acquired, but not held, I guess. —— SN 54129 15:45, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Unopposed move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 21:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
ISIL territorial claims → Territory of the Islamic State – The current article content describes the territorial acquisitions of the Islamic State, not its territorial claims (which are much more ambitious). Konli17 ( talk) 16:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of ISIL territorial claims's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "newname":
{{
cite news}}
: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher=
(
help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:11, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know why this was deleted! anyway I'm reposting it again:
I think it would be better if we make a color coded table with list of Wilayat diclared by IS with the name of the Wilayah then cities under IS control and cities which was previously controlled then the date of creation and a color that till in which country this Wilayah is in e.g Red for Iraq, Green for Syria black for Iraq and Syria etc. I made this draft list of Wilayat and cities and I want somebody to help me with the table.
name of Wilayah - cities under IS control - cities which was previously controlled - Date of creation - country
Wilayat Baghdad - Al Mada'in - 70% of Baghdad - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat North Baghdad - N/A -Al Tarmyah - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Al Anbar - Hit, Rutbah - Ramadi, Haditha - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Kirkuk - Hawija - Daquq - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Salah al-Din - Tikrit, Al-Shirqat - Samarra, Baiji, Sulaiman Bek- 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Nineveh - Mosul, Sinjar, Tal Afar - Rabia, Makhmur - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Al Janoob - Farisiyah - Jurf al-Sakhar - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Diyala - Muqdadiyah - Sadiya, Jalawla, Al Adhaim, Baqubah - 2006 - Iraq
Wilayat Al Barakah - Tell Barrak, Ash-Shaddadeh - Ras al-Ayn - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Al Kheir - Deir ez-Zor, Mayadin -Full control- 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Ar-Raqqah - Raqqah -Full control- 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Al Badiya - Al-Halbah - Al-Sukhnah- 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Homs - Jubb al-Jarrah - N/A - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Halab - Al-Bab, Manbij, Ayn al-Arab - Azaz - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Idlib - N/A - Saraqeb - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Hama - Masoud - N/A - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Damascus - N/A - Mesraba - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat Al Sahel - N/A - N/A - 2013 - Syria
Wilayat al-Furat - Al Bukmal, Al-Qa'im - Full control - 2014 - Syria and Iraq
Wilayat Fallujah - Fallujah - Amiriyat al-Fallujah - 2014 - Iraq
Wilayat Sinai- N/A -N/A - 2014 - Egypt
Wilayat Barqah - Derna - N/A - 2014 - Libya
Wilayat Fazzan - N/A - N/A - 2014 - Libya
Wilayat Trapols - N/A - N/A - 2014 - Libya
http://studies.aljazeera.net/files/isil/2014/11/2014112363816513973.htm
was posted 16:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
3bdulelah ( talk) 20:07, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
This content - the political subdivisions of a terrorist organization - has been soundly rejected by the Wikipedia community. Posting it here is not constructive. See these discussions as of which rejected such content:
Closed Deletion Discussions
So you can post it, but there is really good justification to delete it. Legacypac ( talk) 04:19, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
It's a translation mistake, the guy didn't mean Italy's Rome, he meant Rûm, which refers to Christian World in Islamic context. -- Z 12:27, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello Mhhossein. I see that you attached a POV template onto this article on 2 January 2015. Would you please outline the main issues with the page in regards to POV so we can work towards correcting the problem. I would also like to ask other concerned editors and also yourself, if there would be objections to using the map from the main ISIL page in place of the current one, next to the lead. This last alteration is being suggested because the other map is more frequently updated and also that, using the same map across the wiki for related articles, would achieve consistency on the wiki. Mbcap ( talk) 22:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I've long wondered about the name of this article.
Possible titles might include: ISIL territorial control and ISIL territorial acquisition. I thought that the second title might have some validity as the group had early expansions as groups joined it and had further recent territorial gains as groups such as in Sinai and Derna have had memberships that have joined it. However this title may go a little far in its emphasis on this manner of expansion. I was also wondering of ISIL territorial extent or perhaps a similar title idea could be developed. Control if also a one sided verb and may not reflect that the group has had contractions as well as expansions. Greg Kaye 14:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of ISIL territorial claims's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ISIL gains supporters":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
The map is in need of update--the current version is several months old. Utahwriter14 ( talk) 21:11, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. No prejudice against a new RM with a more concrete proposal and neutral notifications for wider input. Jenks24 ( talk) 14:39, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
ISIL territorial claims → ? – ISIL territorial claims is a very clunky name, and is not a natural title for an article that is essentially a list of ISIL affiliates outside of Iraq & Syria. Also, technically ISIL has a territorial claim on all Muslim lands, and even the whole world. I propose either ISIL International Branches or ISIL International Affiliates
Gazkthul (
talk) 01:51, 4 November 2015 (UTC) --Relisted.
Natg 19 (
talk)
01:46, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
It started as a section in the ISIL article spilt out to reduce the size of the main article. The group claimed specific areas parts of Syria and Iraq, then more places then more places. Then they claimed the whole world. The article lays out that progression. It was interesting intended to follow the title, not be a list of affiliates per se Legacypac ( talk) 13:08, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
ISIL territorial claims and Administrative divisions of ISIL contain overlapping content, but the former also provides context. It would be useful to have all the information on the same page. Abjiklɐm ( tɐlk) 16:33, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Panam2014, please write your concerns here, in order that the WP community can reach a consensus about how to deal with the infobox. -- 80.63.3.167 ( talk) 12:10, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Panam2014, your behavior here is markedly worse than the IP's. Do not refer to good faith edits as vandalism and do not revert good faith edits without giving an edit summary. [3] Refusing to discuss while the article is not at your preferred version also has no basis in policy or guideline. -- NeilN talk to me 14:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the article ' ISIL territorial claims' contain an infobox; and if so, which should be used? Muffled Pocketed 14:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
ISIL is not a state because it is not a state according tot the convention of Montevideo. Also, FARC, PKK and Al Nusra are not a state but they control a territory. -- Panam2014 ( talk) 14:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Technically, on Wikipedia, the proto- state have no infobox . The People's republic of Donetsk is a State therefore has a infobox and the Western Sahara is just a geographic region. -- Panam2014 ( talk) 16:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
partial state, which is probably about half-way between a proto-state and a state. In the case of Donetsk, I'd reduce that to about a quarter or a fifth of the way between proto-state and state. This sub-thread however is going in circles and nobody is going to convince anybody of anything. Mr rnddude ( talk) 16:39, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article.meaning that any article may have an infobox or may not have an infobox. So any claim that this article cannot have an infobox is unfounded; i.e.
A proto State does not deserve a infoboxis a falsehood. You merely feel that way without policy backing so refer to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. In deciding whether an infobox is pertinent
[t]he most important group to consider are the casual readers of Wikipedia. So whether or not we include an infobox on this article should be down to whether or not the reader will find it useful. I contend that they will for a number of reasons; 1. This article is about ISIL territorial claims, so, we're going to need a map (presented in infobox). 2. Status, what is it? a state, a rebel state, a partially recognized state etc. (presented in infobox). 3. Who's in charge? and what type of government? (presented in infobox). 4. Other general factoids that a reader might want to know, where are they located? what's their flag? etc. All of this is currently presented in the infobox and is the easiest most accessible presentation of that information. Which leads into
the purpose of an infobox: to summarize ... key facts that appear in the articlewhich the current infobox sort of does but could be more effective. ISIL is a rebel state and nobody is packing their bags to visit, so why is this parameter filled out; "drives_on" = who cares? Further, I don't know how useful these are; "calling_code", "time zone", "utc_offset", 'utc_offset_DST" and "time zone DST". I honestly don't think any readers are going to care about this information. It is "trivial". Finally, which infobox is the most appropriate here? it's going to have to be a country based one, regardless of the actual statehood situation of ISIL the fields/parameters that are needed for an infobox article on this page are for a nation sized area. Perhaps, albeit unlikely, a compromise could be made to {{ infobox settlement}} alternatively and perhaps most usefully {{ infobox war faction}} could suffice and is used on both Al-Qaeda and ISIL. Otherwise I think infobox country will have to do. Finally, what is the function of this article? who created it and why? I am most sincerely curious. That is all I have for now. Mr rnddude ( talk) 16:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
The only mention is useful here is the map it not needs an Infobox. -- Panam2014 ( talk) 20:00, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Why does the name refer to the territorial claims of the Islamic State, when the article concerns its territorial acquisitions? Konli17 ( talk) 15:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Its territorial acquisitions...and subsequent losses. So it was acquired, but not held, I guess. —— SN 54129 15:45, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Unopposed move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 21:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
ISIL territorial claims → Territory of the Islamic State – The current article content describes the territorial acquisitions of the Islamic State, not its territorial claims (which are much more ambitious). Konli17 ( talk) 16:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)