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Okay, I AM GETTING SICK OF SEEING AN OUTDATED iPhone image at the front of the page...
I am considering replacing the image of the iPhone with the better updated iPhone image with home screen...
I already gotten Apple's permission to use the image, since the home screen is considered a screen shot, and the purpose of the image is to educate the home screen and the look of the iPhone...
Any objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bentoman ( talk • contribs) 06:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't there a criticism section? And don't tell me that it's because the iPhone is perfect... - Mbatman 72 20:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a little misplacement of a feature under 1.1.4:
"Added the ability to view song lyrics, if programmed with iTunes" should be moved to 1.1.3
in 1.1.3 you can also view subtitles, along with chapters —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajsg09 ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
All versions of iPhone are unlockable and jailbreakable, using ZiPhone www.ziphone.org someone write something about that :) - Gunnar Guðvarðarson ( My Talk) 04:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Delicious live coverage of the SDK announcement: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/live-from-apples-iphone-press-conference/
-- MacAddct 1984 ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok ,someone needs to fix that. The iPhone does not run Microsoft Exchange. In fact, it doesn't carry anything that has to do with Microsoft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.255.165 ( talk) 06:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I've never successfully connected to an exchange server with my iPhone (and I've tried 3 different Exchange environments). Perhaps something it needed wasn't enabled, but on all 3 servers I got a certificate error and then nothing. There are even 3rd party Exchange -> iPhone providers popping up to handle this issue. 12.216.22.87 ( talk) 02:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Apple announced exchange support for the iPhone coming in a future software update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.6.24 ( talk) 21:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The iPhone SDK does not cost ANYTHING to develop for, and anybody - running Mac OS 10.5 or later - can download and install it. The $99 fee refers to anybody wanting to potentially get their apps published through iTunes as far as I can tell. I know this, because I just (legitimately) downloaded and installed the iPhone SDK after registering through Apple's website, and I didn't have to pay a dime. The ramifications of this are thus: Without paying that $99 fee, anybody can create apps and post the code online. Other iPhone users can then take that code, paste it into their SDK, compile the application, and load it onto their iPhone without anybody paying anything, or anything being shady/under the table. The information listed - that the SDK costs $99 - is patently incorrect. 69.214.1.167 ( talk) 05:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is waaay too long. It's almost as long as the articles for Canada, England, the United States, World War II, etc.
Is this sentence trivia?
During the product's announcement, Jobs demonstrated this feature by searching for nearby Starbucks locations and then placing a prank call to one with a single tap.[29][30]
171.71.37.203 ( talk) 23:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe a mention of Cisco and Apple "exploring interoperability" with the Cisco VPN support for the iPhone. SpiderRice 15:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I just saw the term "Jesus Phone" used in an article (not on Wikipedia). Typing it into Wikipedia redirected me here, but the Wikipedia article doesn't mention the term. I think if "Jesus Phone" redirects here, then there needs to be a note in the article that this is a term used for the iPhone. Ideally there would be a reference to whoever or whatever article coined the expression 194.113.40.219 ( talk) 08:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
There have been people repeatedly trying to change this article to state that the iPhone has 128MB of memory. This is based on a couple of blogs that have been posted. Now, blogs are not reliable sources unless they are attached to a legitimate news service (for example a blog at the NY Times web page). Flash memory is capable of functioning as both storage and RAM, PDAs have been doing that for years now. For an iPhone, the RAM and storage are the same, just as they are for many PDAs and smartphones. If anyone disputes this find a reliable source or your edits will be reverted. -- Atama chat 22:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Atama is correct. Actually, I don't even know why it is such a confusing issue. The field name in the infobox is "memory", which can basically mean any kind of memory: primary and secondary storage, RAM, ROM, etc. I used to get these types of answers a heck of a lot when I did tech support for a software company; I would ask the customer, "How much RAM do you have?" and they would say something like, "40GB!" I believe the 128MB came about from people who jailbroke the iPhone, then ran sysctl() to get the total RAM. By design of that function, it returns the total RAM that the OS recognizes. So the 128MB is what's being reported by iPhone OS (is that what we're calling it now?!?!?) In other words, iPhone OS makes a distinction between "real" RAM and primary storage (i.e. the 8 or 16GB). Looking at the take-apart photos on the various web sites, there are 512Mbit SDRAM modules in the iPhone. In all, it is a matter of how one would define "memory" when looking at the field in the infobox. Does it mean the grand total of ALL the memories in the iPhone? Is it the primary storage memory? Is it the RAM memory? Groink ( talk) 23:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I had a rather vitriolic comment telling Atama to find a source that says it does use its flash as system memory. I found a report on the iPhone CPU instead .
Two 512 Mb DRAM "dice" equals 128 MB of RAM. It seems they want paying for the actual report, but I think the "device description" is enough. -- Cyrius| ✎ 23:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
The Apple iPhone developers page refers to the OS as "iPhone OS". Was it always this way, or has it been newly renamed for version 2.0? I can't find a reference to "Mobile OS X" or "OS X Mobile" on Apples site so I'm inclined to fix this page, but since I don't want to start a Silly Edit War, I'll thought I'd throw it by the other editors first. -- KelleyCook ( talk) 22:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Kelley, I noticed that you went ahead and changed the info on the page to iPhone OS, did you find an official source for the name change or was it just based on the info you've presented so far? -- Atama chat 22:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Screen resolution should be 163 ppi under the hardware section. source: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.4.249.240 ( talk) 04:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Use any song in your iTunes library to make a ring tone you can use on your iPhone. Found by experimentation: 1. In iTunes choose song and section of that song you want to use (up to 30 seconds).
2. Right click on song, Select "get info", Select "Options" tab. Set the start and stop times. click ok
3. Right click song again. "Choose Convert To AAC". Right click song a third time and uncheck start and stop times, click ok.
4. Find new song that you just created (usually by the 30 second length, and it usually appears under the original). Right click "Show In Windows Explorer." Change File type from .m4a to .m4r.
5. After file name change double click that file in windows, it will play in iTunes, and be in your iTunes library under a new folder called Ringtones.
6. In i Tunes click on your iPhone, Under summary make sure "Manually Manage music and videos" is UNCHECKED. In "Ringtones" tab make sure "Sync Ringtones" is CHECKED.
7. Click sync, Your new ringtone should be on your iPhone!
Surely we should include the dates in which the iPhone became available in each country respectively in the Info Box?
( Umbongo91 ( talk) 20:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC))
SINGAPORE: Industry sources said Apple's iPhone will be launched in Singapore by SingTel this September, but the telco has neither confirmed nor denied this. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.9.4 ( talk) 17:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
ABC News reports Apple has filed a patent for a flip iPhone.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7018869&ch=4226721&src=news
(The video is "up next")
71.11.215.216 ( talk) 23:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The images in this article are not of very good quality. I request someone to make an appeal or to himself put better quality images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.204.15 ( talk) 11:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there anybody had known about iPhone Princess? Is it the most expensive iPhone? Newone ( talk) 10:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Certainly an ordinary plastic stylus (as used on the Palm etc) won't work. A solid metal stylus would work fine - but would scratch the glass. However, a compromise has been designed, which is metal-bodied, but has a thin layer of softer material on the tip; this keeps the capacitance relatively high, but won't scratch the screen. One such example is here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/ RichardNeill ( talk) 02:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that an editor attempted to correct the use of multi-touch by capitalizing it as "Multi-Touch". This is incorrect. Apple did register for multi-touch as a trademark in June 2007. However, as of today it has not been registered with Apple. The term is also not a proper noun. And, if you read the multi-touch Wikipedia article, it uses the form "multi-touch" (except when it is the first word in a sentence), as well as all the academic papers linked via the external link references at the bottom of the article. As long as the parent article for multi-touch uses this convention, we should not be deviating from it for the sole purpose of Apple devices. Also, other forms such as "multitouch" or "MultiTouch" are also not correct when used here. Groink ( talk) 23:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, just because the Apple web site uses the convention "Multi-Touch", that does not mean Wikipedia must do so as well. Again, the trademark guideline does not apply here because Apple does not own the trademark to the term. Even the party who currently owns the trademark does not use the "Multi-Touch" form. Groink ( talk) 23:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This link proves that Apple does not own the trademark. It is owned by DPI Labs, Inc. Groink ( talk) 23:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This set of documents show the trail leading up to, as of this writing, the trademark not being registered with Apple.
A letter of protest was sent to the Commissioner of Trademarks on January 17 2008. The letter was filed on April 1 2008. In the memorandum, "The term 'multi-touch' is descriptive, if not generic, for electronic devices such as those of applicant that may employ a touch screen capable of recognizing multiple simultaneous touch points." "It has been determined, by the Commissioner for Trademarks, that a clear error has been made in allowing this mark to be published." Groink ( talk) 00:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Isn't there now a 16Gb iPhone, and rumours of a 2nd generation iPhone?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombsc ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
please can spme one tell me if the iphone takes vidios as well as photos and how much is the newest one cost in pounds? thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.222.15 ( talk) 10:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a saw an iPhone commercial last night which shows the phone's user using it to access Wikipedia's article on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Anton Mravcek ( talk) 19:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Seriosuly? No one? no one has anything bad to say about it? I've seen lots of complaints online, but no complaining or critisims hhere. Yes, I did not spell good. So what.-- 135.214.40.68 ( talk) 21:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I think we should have a critism section, the iPhone lacks even basic function of a phone, the bluetooth only pairs with handsfree kits so you cannot send/recieve files from friends. Also you cannot send and recieve MMS. I think instead of praising this phone as the ultimate phone it should have some critisms, but it should be done correctly. Not like "the phone is rubbish because it can't do this or this. 212.219.220.125 ( talk) 13:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, but isn't it notable that it lacks functions that even 90% of handsets have? Jay794 ( talk) 16:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
No need to go mental Groink. Just trying to contribute Jay794 ( talk) 08:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This article lacks a criticism section. This expensive piece of trash has more issues than religious fans, and so a criticism section in which normal people can express their view on this pocket size god surrogate shielded from fanbois is needed. Thanks. Femmina ( talk) 18:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
And I agree with the view expressed by others that often, they are a symptom of bad writing. That is, it isn't that we should not include the criticisms, but that the information should be properly incorporated throughout the article rather than having a troll magnet section of random criticisms.
(Unindenting) - The iPhone has a camera (which doesn't do video and that is in the article just FYI), but do we need to call it a "camera phone"? Does that really matter? If anyone objects to that, and Femmina obviously does, just make sure the article never calls it a "camera phone" and that's that. I don't think it makes a big difference to avoid the phrase "camera phone" in the article as long as it does mention that it has a camera in it. -- Atama chat 16:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
One thing that got to me while reading the edit comments... "Consensus", according to Wikipedia, does not mean "if I throw out an edit concern and no one answers it, then we've reached a consensus." According to Wikipedia, a no-answer means that no consensus was reached and therefore things should stay as-is. The edit Femmina pulled just now under the assumption of consensus was totally against policy. Groink ( talk) 18:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The issues involved here are:
This is the approach I recommend using. For the record, I do not favor one way or the other. The only direction I favor is that we edit with proper consensus and with proper citing of information. Groink ( talk) 19:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Sure the iPhone has a built-in camera. Still, it can't be considered a camera phone because it lacks some of features that most other camera phones on the market today have. That's a fact. But now tell me something... Let's keep it between us... How can I contact an Apple representative and get paid to defend this article, leave it as an huge advertisement and get on your side? I'm tired of fighting for this factual accuracy thing. :3 Femmina ( talk) 03:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Let me approach the problem another way... Articles like iPhone are what I call "bottom-feeders", meaning it does not introduce any new terminology to Wikipedia that didn't already exist. Rather, it is is the reverse - the iPhone article relies on terminology defined in other Wikipedia articles. Terms like "smartphone", "camera phone" and "multi-touch" are all defined in their own Wikipedia articles. Like any other web site, terminology in all articles within Wikipedia MUST carry the same meaning and context. The idea here is that when the root article for a given term is changed, ALL articles that link to the root article are affected. For example, the Japanese word "aoi" usually means blue. And later on, someone refers to a bluebird as "aoi tori" (bluebird). Down the road, someone finds a sourced definition for aoi and come to find that it really means green. And all of a sudden, the meaning of aoi tori is affected. It is vital that the root article defining the term is handled first, and then all articles using the term are edited to take on the change. An editor should never change the definition of a term within a bottom-feeder article like iPhone if the root article defines the term as something else. If there is any article that needs to be addressed, it is the camera phone article. And as of this writing, it appears that another editor is currently fixing that article, and the definition given there is consistent with the term's use in the iPhone article. Groink ( talk) 21:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Of course its a damn camera phone. Its a phone with a small, poor quality camera module shoved in there somewhere. If it was built from the ground up as a camera, then had a GSM module in it somewhere it would be a phone-camera. Early camera phones were far more craptastic than the iPhone. Once a camera phone, always a camera phone I cant believe this discussion has gone on for so freaking long. Towel401 ( talk) 22:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
So, uh, to recap: does anyone other than Femmina have a problem with the iPhone being referred to in passing as a "camera phone"? It looks to me like there's pretty clear consensus that it is a "camera phone". But, I, too, invoke tl;dr. – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 22:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I added a Reception section, is there any reason why there wasnt one before? Portillo ( talk) 10:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. As long as theres some kind of reception section. I was looking around trying to see how the iPhone was received. Portillo ( talk) 08:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Whilst under the same sort of heading but using a different meaning I would like to see a comparison of the international carriers that support the iPhone. In this table I would like to see the frequencies that each carrier supports and the respective percentages of landmass and population that these cover as well as the features that the carrier supports (visual voicemail, mms etc). Do you think this is a good idea? -- Rockinrobstar ( talk) 12:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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Okay, I AM GETTING SICK OF SEEING AN OUTDATED iPhone image at the front of the page...
I am considering replacing the image of the iPhone with the better updated iPhone image with home screen...
I already gotten Apple's permission to use the image, since the home screen is considered a screen shot, and the purpose of the image is to educate the home screen and the look of the iPhone...
Any objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bentoman ( talk • contribs) 06:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Why isn't there a criticism section? And don't tell me that it's because the iPhone is perfect... - Mbatman 72 20:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Just a little misplacement of a feature under 1.1.4:
"Added the ability to view song lyrics, if programmed with iTunes" should be moved to 1.1.3
in 1.1.3 you can also view subtitles, along with chapters —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajsg09 ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
All versions of iPhone are unlockable and jailbreakable, using ZiPhone www.ziphone.org someone write something about that :) - Gunnar Guðvarðarson ( My Talk) 04:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Delicious live coverage of the SDK announcement: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/06/live-from-apples-iphone-press-conference/
-- MacAddct 1984 ( talk • contribs) 19:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok ,someone needs to fix that. The iPhone does not run Microsoft Exchange. In fact, it doesn't carry anything that has to do with Microsoft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.255.165 ( talk) 06:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I've never successfully connected to an exchange server with my iPhone (and I've tried 3 different Exchange environments). Perhaps something it needed wasn't enabled, but on all 3 servers I got a certificate error and then nothing. There are even 3rd party Exchange -> iPhone providers popping up to handle this issue. 12.216.22.87 ( talk) 02:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Apple announced exchange support for the iPhone coming in a future software update. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.6.24 ( talk) 21:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
The iPhone SDK does not cost ANYTHING to develop for, and anybody - running Mac OS 10.5 or later - can download and install it. The $99 fee refers to anybody wanting to potentially get their apps published through iTunes as far as I can tell. I know this, because I just (legitimately) downloaded and installed the iPhone SDK after registering through Apple's website, and I didn't have to pay a dime. The ramifications of this are thus: Without paying that $99 fee, anybody can create apps and post the code online. Other iPhone users can then take that code, paste it into their SDK, compile the application, and load it onto their iPhone without anybody paying anything, or anything being shady/under the table. The information listed - that the SDK costs $99 - is patently incorrect. 69.214.1.167 ( talk) 05:18, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
This article is waaay too long. It's almost as long as the articles for Canada, England, the United States, World War II, etc.
Is this sentence trivia?
During the product's announcement, Jobs demonstrated this feature by searching for nearby Starbucks locations and then placing a prank call to one with a single tap.[29][30]
171.71.37.203 ( talk) 23:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe a mention of Cisco and Apple "exploring interoperability" with the Cisco VPN support for the iPhone. SpiderRice 15:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I just saw the term "Jesus Phone" used in an article (not on Wikipedia). Typing it into Wikipedia redirected me here, but the Wikipedia article doesn't mention the term. I think if "Jesus Phone" redirects here, then there needs to be a note in the article that this is a term used for the iPhone. Ideally there would be a reference to whoever or whatever article coined the expression 194.113.40.219 ( talk) 08:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
There have been people repeatedly trying to change this article to state that the iPhone has 128MB of memory. This is based on a couple of blogs that have been posted. Now, blogs are not reliable sources unless they are attached to a legitimate news service (for example a blog at the NY Times web page). Flash memory is capable of functioning as both storage and RAM, PDAs have been doing that for years now. For an iPhone, the RAM and storage are the same, just as they are for many PDAs and smartphones. If anyone disputes this find a reliable source or your edits will be reverted. -- Atama chat 22:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Atama is correct. Actually, I don't even know why it is such a confusing issue. The field name in the infobox is "memory", which can basically mean any kind of memory: primary and secondary storage, RAM, ROM, etc. I used to get these types of answers a heck of a lot when I did tech support for a software company; I would ask the customer, "How much RAM do you have?" and they would say something like, "40GB!" I believe the 128MB came about from people who jailbroke the iPhone, then ran sysctl() to get the total RAM. By design of that function, it returns the total RAM that the OS recognizes. So the 128MB is what's being reported by iPhone OS (is that what we're calling it now?!?!?) In other words, iPhone OS makes a distinction between "real" RAM and primary storage (i.e. the 8 or 16GB). Looking at the take-apart photos on the various web sites, there are 512Mbit SDRAM modules in the iPhone. In all, it is a matter of how one would define "memory" when looking at the field in the infobox. Does it mean the grand total of ALL the memories in the iPhone? Is it the primary storage memory? Is it the RAM memory? Groink ( talk) 23:26, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I had a rather vitriolic comment telling Atama to find a source that says it does use its flash as system memory. I found a report on the iPhone CPU instead .
Two 512 Mb DRAM "dice" equals 128 MB of RAM. It seems they want paying for the actual report, but I think the "device description" is enough. -- Cyrius| ✎ 23:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
The Apple iPhone developers page refers to the OS as "iPhone OS". Was it always this way, or has it been newly renamed for version 2.0? I can't find a reference to "Mobile OS X" or "OS X Mobile" on Apples site so I'm inclined to fix this page, but since I don't want to start a Silly Edit War, I'll thought I'd throw it by the other editors first. -- KelleyCook ( talk) 22:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Kelley, I noticed that you went ahead and changed the info on the page to iPhone OS, did you find an official source for the name change or was it just based on the info you've presented so far? -- Atama chat 22:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Screen resolution should be 163 ppi under the hardware section. source: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.4.249.240 ( talk) 04:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Use any song in your iTunes library to make a ring tone you can use on your iPhone. Found by experimentation: 1. In iTunes choose song and section of that song you want to use (up to 30 seconds).
2. Right click on song, Select "get info", Select "Options" tab. Set the start and stop times. click ok
3. Right click song again. "Choose Convert To AAC". Right click song a third time and uncheck start and stop times, click ok.
4. Find new song that you just created (usually by the 30 second length, and it usually appears under the original). Right click "Show In Windows Explorer." Change File type from .m4a to .m4r.
5. After file name change double click that file in windows, it will play in iTunes, and be in your iTunes library under a new folder called Ringtones.
6. In i Tunes click on your iPhone, Under summary make sure "Manually Manage music and videos" is UNCHECKED. In "Ringtones" tab make sure "Sync Ringtones" is CHECKED.
7. Click sync, Your new ringtone should be on your iPhone!
Surely we should include the dates in which the iPhone became available in each country respectively in the Info Box?
( Umbongo91 ( talk) 20:16, 1 March 2008 (UTC))
SINGAPORE: Industry sources said Apple's iPhone will be launched in Singapore by SingTel this September, but the telco has neither confirmed nor denied this. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.9.4 ( talk) 17:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
ABC News reports Apple has filed a patent for a flip iPhone.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7018869&ch=4226721&src=news
(The video is "up next")
71.11.215.216 ( talk) 23:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
The images in this article are not of very good quality. I request someone to make an appeal or to himself put better quality images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.204.15 ( talk) 11:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Is there anybody had known about iPhone Princess? Is it the most expensive iPhone? Newone ( talk) 10:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Certainly an ordinary plastic stylus (as used on the Palm etc) won't work. A solid metal stylus would work fine - but would scratch the glass. However, a compromise has been designed, which is metal-bodied, but has a thin layer of softer material on the tip; this keeps the capacitance relatively high, but won't scratch the screen. One such example is here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/ RichardNeill ( talk) 02:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that an editor attempted to correct the use of multi-touch by capitalizing it as "Multi-Touch". This is incorrect. Apple did register for multi-touch as a trademark in June 2007. However, as of today it has not been registered with Apple. The term is also not a proper noun. And, if you read the multi-touch Wikipedia article, it uses the form "multi-touch" (except when it is the first word in a sentence), as well as all the academic papers linked via the external link references at the bottom of the article. As long as the parent article for multi-touch uses this convention, we should not be deviating from it for the sole purpose of Apple devices. Also, other forms such as "multitouch" or "MultiTouch" are also not correct when used here. Groink ( talk) 23:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Also, just because the Apple web site uses the convention "Multi-Touch", that does not mean Wikipedia must do so as well. Again, the trademark guideline does not apply here because Apple does not own the trademark to the term. Even the party who currently owns the trademark does not use the "Multi-Touch" form. Groink ( talk) 23:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This link proves that Apple does not own the trademark. It is owned by DPI Labs, Inc. Groink ( talk) 23:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This set of documents show the trail leading up to, as of this writing, the trademark not being registered with Apple.
A letter of protest was sent to the Commissioner of Trademarks on January 17 2008. The letter was filed on April 1 2008. In the memorandum, "The term 'multi-touch' is descriptive, if not generic, for electronic devices such as those of applicant that may employ a touch screen capable of recognizing multiple simultaneous touch points." "It has been determined, by the Commissioner for Trademarks, that a clear error has been made in allowing this mark to be published." Groink ( talk) 00:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Isn't there now a 16Gb iPhone, and rumours of a 2nd generation iPhone?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombsc ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
please can spme one tell me if the iphone takes vidios as well as photos and how much is the newest one cost in pounds? thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.222.15 ( talk) 10:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a saw an iPhone commercial last night which shows the phone's user using it to access Wikipedia's article on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Anton Mravcek ( talk) 19:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Seriosuly? No one? no one has anything bad to say about it? I've seen lots of complaints online, but no complaining or critisims hhere. Yes, I did not spell good. So what.-- 135.214.40.68 ( talk) 21:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I think we should have a critism section, the iPhone lacks even basic function of a phone, the bluetooth only pairs with handsfree kits so you cannot send/recieve files from friends. Also you cannot send and recieve MMS. I think instead of praising this phone as the ultimate phone it should have some critisms, but it should be done correctly. Not like "the phone is rubbish because it can't do this or this. 212.219.220.125 ( talk) 13:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, but isn't it notable that it lacks functions that even 90% of handsets have? Jay794 ( talk) 16:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
No need to go mental Groink. Just trying to contribute Jay794 ( talk) 08:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
This article lacks a criticism section. This expensive piece of trash has more issues than religious fans, and so a criticism section in which normal people can express their view on this pocket size god surrogate shielded from fanbois is needed. Thanks. Femmina ( talk) 18:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
And I agree with the view expressed by others that often, they are a symptom of bad writing. That is, it isn't that we should not include the criticisms, but that the information should be properly incorporated throughout the article rather than having a troll magnet section of random criticisms.
(Unindenting) - The iPhone has a camera (which doesn't do video and that is in the article just FYI), but do we need to call it a "camera phone"? Does that really matter? If anyone objects to that, and Femmina obviously does, just make sure the article never calls it a "camera phone" and that's that. I don't think it makes a big difference to avoid the phrase "camera phone" in the article as long as it does mention that it has a camera in it. -- Atama chat 16:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
One thing that got to me while reading the edit comments... "Consensus", according to Wikipedia, does not mean "if I throw out an edit concern and no one answers it, then we've reached a consensus." According to Wikipedia, a no-answer means that no consensus was reached and therefore things should stay as-is. The edit Femmina pulled just now under the assumption of consensus was totally against policy. Groink ( talk) 18:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
The issues involved here are:
This is the approach I recommend using. For the record, I do not favor one way or the other. The only direction I favor is that we edit with proper consensus and with proper citing of information. Groink ( talk) 19:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Sure the iPhone has a built-in camera. Still, it can't be considered a camera phone because it lacks some of features that most other camera phones on the market today have. That's a fact. But now tell me something... Let's keep it between us... How can I contact an Apple representative and get paid to defend this article, leave it as an huge advertisement and get on your side? I'm tired of fighting for this factual accuracy thing. :3 Femmina ( talk) 03:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Let me approach the problem another way... Articles like iPhone are what I call "bottom-feeders", meaning it does not introduce any new terminology to Wikipedia that didn't already exist. Rather, it is is the reverse - the iPhone article relies on terminology defined in other Wikipedia articles. Terms like "smartphone", "camera phone" and "multi-touch" are all defined in their own Wikipedia articles. Like any other web site, terminology in all articles within Wikipedia MUST carry the same meaning and context. The idea here is that when the root article for a given term is changed, ALL articles that link to the root article are affected. For example, the Japanese word "aoi" usually means blue. And later on, someone refers to a bluebird as "aoi tori" (bluebird). Down the road, someone finds a sourced definition for aoi and come to find that it really means green. And all of a sudden, the meaning of aoi tori is affected. It is vital that the root article defining the term is handled first, and then all articles using the term are edited to take on the change. An editor should never change the definition of a term within a bottom-feeder article like iPhone if the root article defines the term as something else. If there is any article that needs to be addressed, it is the camera phone article. And as of this writing, it appears that another editor is currently fixing that article, and the definition given there is consistent with the term's use in the iPhone article. Groink ( talk) 21:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Of course its a damn camera phone. Its a phone with a small, poor quality camera module shoved in there somewhere. If it was built from the ground up as a camera, then had a GSM module in it somewhere it would be a phone-camera. Early camera phones were far more craptastic than the iPhone. Once a camera phone, always a camera phone I cant believe this discussion has gone on for so freaking long. Towel401 ( talk) 22:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
So, uh, to recap: does anyone other than Femmina have a problem with the iPhone being referred to in passing as a "camera phone"? It looks to me like there's pretty clear consensus that it is a "camera phone". But, I, too, invoke tl;dr. – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ ( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs ) 22:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I added a Reception section, is there any reason why there wasnt one before? Portillo ( talk) 10:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. As long as theres some kind of reception section. I was looking around trying to see how the iPhone was received. Portillo ( talk) 08:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Whilst under the same sort of heading but using a different meaning I would like to see a comparison of the international carriers that support the iPhone. In this table I would like to see the frequencies that each carrier supports and the respective percentages of landmass and population that these cover as well as the features that the carrier supports (visual voicemail, mms etc). Do you think this is a good idea? -- Rockinrobstar ( talk) 12:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)