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Why is there no section in this entry for the criticisms that those who have recieved preview copies of the iPhone expressed. To not include any negative aspects about the phone would lead to an unbalanced article. Suckered 22:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, why is the fact that many PDAs do all this been removed - this is a valid critism provided it conforms to a NPOV. Perhaps the Criticisms heading show be renamed public response or something! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.94.167.145 ( talk • contribs).
(linkspam removed) I've been searching everywhere for well thought out critisms of the Apple iPhone that haven't been addressed elsewhere and this is by far the best article I've run across. It not only covers the shortcomings addressed elsewhere, but suggests solutions that Apple can adopt in future revisions to the product. I was actually most impressed by it's explanation of novel ways to utilize existing features that would really would push this device over the top. Wikoogle 13:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of those ideas are pretty neat. I think some of them like the tv shows on itunes and such, should be inlcuded in the wikipedia entry. Suckered 21:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Why the hell has the criticisms section been removed? What is this an Apple fan page?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chris Fletcher ( talk • contribs).
It doesn't matter. Many reviewers have already handled the iPhone and criticisms they have of the iPhone are valid and should be included in the Wikipedia article. To discuss only the positive features but exclude any negative aspects of the phone even if they were confirmed by reviewers can be considered biased. Suckered 22:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
This is highly suspicious. I suspect some kind of commercial influence preventing critism of published specs using the VERY LAME excuse that the phone is not yet available.
4th June 2007. If you cannot critisize because you can't be sure of accuracy to final product then you cannot include detailed specifications which may not turn out to be correct either. I want to include a brief sentence comparing the device to other contemporary smart phones and to mention it lacks 3.5G (HSDPA) and GPS (according to current specifications). Not to mention this fact would refelct a kind of U.S bias since the rest of the world are well advanced as far as fast 3.5G (2mbs) internet goes and pointing this out is in the public interest. For us Europeans EDGE is a bit dated.
It should be mentioned that Apple has said that the iPhone will be a closed platform and that no SDK will be available to developers. This could go in a future criticism section, but for now, I'm going to add the information in the OSX section, where the other applications are mentioned. Hemidemisemiquaver 20:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
There is not a single mention of the LG KE850 in this article, even though the two could have been separated at birth. There are many product articles on Wikipedia in which a particular item's similarity to an Apple product - particularly the iPod - is noted prominently. Wikipedia should be consistent and note that the iPhone is very similar to another product already launched: the LG KE850. Indeed, if I were LG ,I'd be security-checking my mobile phone design team right now. 86.17.247.135 17:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
using a post based upon speculation in a blog? that's your source? You have read WP:V ? -- Larry laptop 14:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Done. It now has it's own, adequately sourced section. hmwith talk 21:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Pricing in this article is too inconclusive, shouldn't someone expand it to include prices from other places than america as well, like britain, europe, china and australia. The Danielmeister 14:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I know this isn't strictly pricing, but in NYC the iPhone will hit the shelves on June 15, 2007. If your wondering my sources, I asked many retailers there on a trip I had there. -- Scikidus 23:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
If You could let me quote the article for one moment: "The iPhone will be available from the Apple Store and from AT&T Mobility, formerly Cingular Wireless, with a price of US$499 for the 4 GB model and US$599 for the 8 GB model, based on a two-year service contract. Apple intends to make the phone available in Europe in Q4 2007 and in Asia in 2008." That should answer your questions Masterhand10 (Talk) (Contributions) 15:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/verizon-passed-up-apple-iphone-deal/ -- Delsource (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that's particularly notable. Darkov 00:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
It's probably worth mentioning, if it's confirmable, it could've changed the course of the iPhone (so many people dislike cingular for one reason or another) T3h 08:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Due to Verizon's restrictions, the Iphone was rejected.
Yes, the iPhone is certainly to advanced for Verizon to handle, and does not fit with their anti-consumer "walled garden" approach. Verizon customers are dumb.
This story is definitely noteworthy for the article, but when the information goes in, please make sure it's sourced correctly and properly cited. I'll throw it up there in another day or so if no one else does it first. Roguegeek ( talk) 21:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The article seems to contradict itself. The third paragraph on "1.1 Multi-touch screen" claims that the user interface used is a " Zooming User Interface" where as the "4 Specifications" paragraph claims that the user interface is a plain " Graphical User Interface" Apple website claims that "iPhone features the most revolutionary user interface since the mouse." [1] Though some parts of the phone uses a zooming user interface, the major way of interacting with the phone is ,multi touch. Can some one throw light on this? or edit the article so that it's no longer ambiguous. I also consider adding the contradictory tag. Mugunth 10:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
First, the only vaguely "ZUI" part is the browser, which you'll notice does NOT use a two-fingered "pinch" to zoom or not... instead it's a one-finger tap... which is a good thing, since otherwise you'd need two hands to browse. The other effects, such as the scrolling and sliding pages, are simple UI bling that's been around for a decade or two (albeit rarely used).
Second, multi-touch refers to noticing and using more than one touch spot. This can be done in software or hardware. Multi-touch in the iPhone is so far apparently only used for zooming graphic images. It is in no way a "major" part of the UI at this point.
If you watch closely, there are some rules being used. User-scrolling sideways between pages is only done when it makes sense (e.g. moving between multiple images). You never see a combination of vertical and horizontal page-scrolling, undoubtedly partly to make it easier to figure out what the user is trying to do.
It's unfortunate that a stylus cannot also be used, since that limits what the touchscreen can be used for. (No signatures, drawing, doodling, handwriting recognition, etc.) Apparently it's used only for gross gestures and taps.
Kevindarling 19:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this new text POV/appropriate? "Apple doesn't tolerate any semblance of infringement on it's own trademarks. Trademark law is complex.... ...also establishes some rights." While I agree that what Apple is doing with Securipod is bad, even if this point belongs in the article, it doesn't seem well-positioned within the Trademark section or well-worded. It doesn't flow, it just seems to jump haphazardly into the text and make a statement that seems to carry a "tone" to me. It looks kind of POV to me, though the point could probably be made with NPOV. Also, the trademark section has been kept pretty fact-based. The explanation of trademark complexity seems kind of out of place, and perhaps better done with a reference to the wikipedia's entries on trademarking. Together with the seeming POVishness of the prior statement it carries more the flavor to me of trying to lay a foundation/defense for why Cisco is right and Apple is wrong. Comments? Anyone want to be bold and make those statements flow and be NPOV? If I had more conviction of it's wrong-ness and ideas on how to improve I'd do it myself...but I don't (yet). -- Jason C.K. 16:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The "trademark is complex" thing is just not appropriate. User:Erxnmedia added it to Linksys iPhone and I dropped it when I was merging the two trademark sections here and at Linksys iPhone. Since then he/she has added it twice here. It isn't appropriate. It is obviously POV and as such doesn't belong in any article here. AlistairMcMillan 12:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Regarding my new reference in the History section to the Sep. 2006 iTunes, an interesting thing I notice at the gizmodo link is "The mobile phone "^1" contains new voice memos. Would you like to move these voice memos to your iTunes library?" So what does that tell you about voice memos on the iPhone? Though I suppose this is much too weak evidence to justify putting it in the article, it certainly looks promising for the future. -- Jason C.K. 09:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to get daily, multiple vandals, or spam or extreme POV pushing..should we be requesting semi-protection against unregistered as well as newbie (<4 days old) users? Though I do realize we have some good contributions to this article by unregistered users. I do not have time to keep reverting vandals, though I guess if the rest of you continue to keep up maybe we're fine as is. -- Jason C.K. 02:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
While there's no way of knowing if this will be in THIS iPhone (at launch, or via s.w. rev), should we have a section in here on iPhone-related patents/Apple telephony patents? Reading here, of particular interest is (quoted stuff in brackets are insertions by me from elsewhere in the article): "In other examples, the user initiation may be as a result of interacting with an application on the computing device 102 to be upgraded [or "attempting to download a twenty-sixth song" where "the song-holding capacity is twenty-five songs"]. For example, the computing device 102 may be a mobile telephone that is configured to also operate as a portable media player. The user may interact with the portable media player application, which then wirelessly (e.g., via a cellular or other wireless connection) interacts with the service ["the service may provide media to the [mobile] computing device"]." Seems pretty clear the groundwork has been laid for an iPhone to wirelessly pull iTunes content off your computer, even going so far as to hit the Music Store via your iPhone ("securely configure a [mobile] computing device"). It even mentions cellular connection, and I don't think anything in there specifies it's YOUR personal computer that is part of the overall "service"...so maybe cellular downloads from the Music Store? -- Jason C.K. 20:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
This page needs to be cleaned of vandalism. Thank you.( 72.95.185.44 02:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.95.185.44 ( talk) 02:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
Why is this article pointing to the Apple product which is not even released? As far as iPhone is concerned, Cisco still has the right, and actual product in the market. Its pathetic to see wikipedia hijacked by Apple fanbois. - 69.142.159.60 03:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Cisco Droped the lawsuit Apple Inc can use the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.238.160.98 ( talk • contribs) 22:41, February 22, 2007
I heard somewhere that if you purchase the apple iPhone you get 2 years of free service (possibly 1.5 years). Is this true? Thoraxcorp 15:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
For a relatively short and (fairly) trivial article there are too many references. The short 'History' paragraph alone has 15(!) references most of which are redundant (one should contain enough information and the rest is just repeating). Someone should filter the worthwhile links out and remove some. Agentbla 11:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't found any references to a VoIP app being included with the iPhone, nor have I seen this phone being discussed as a hybrid EDGE/Wi-Fi phone. I think the capabilities are there, I'm just not sure if anyone (Apple/Cingluar) is ready for that step yet. I know that Cingular has been testing cellular/wi-fi for years with some very closed tests (I worked in a BLS building for a time as a contractor and was offered a test phone), but don't know that it's ready for prime-time. I'm sure there are still a ton of problems with wi-fi/cellular handoffs and vice versa. Personally, I would take a hybrid phone with the understanding that when moving from Wi-fi to cellular, I would experience a significant number of dropped calls. It could even be a setting on the phone whether to accept incoming calls over wi-fi or cellular technology and/or a prompt when making an outgoing call (wi-fi or cellular). This seems to me to be a killer app in a phone and someone will get it all figured out eventually. Personally, I wouldn't put it past Steve to announce that with some of his usually flair in the next few months or even with the upgrade to Leopard on the iPhone (not really related, but Apple has consistently done things like this in the past).
As for me, I can't wait...my VZW contract ends soon and I'm holding out for the iPhone....
24.127.115.100
18:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not see or understand why my entry on the first iPhone ad was removed. I believe not only that this is relevant an appropriate information, but it is also information that people might go looking for. This IS and online encyclopedia is it not? The purpose of an encyclopedia is give information, as stated in the oxford English dictionary. Why is this piece of information being removed? The main reason I came to this specific Wiki article was to look up more information on the ad and when I saw that there was none, I decided to add all that I know about the ad, to give back to the community. Nabeel_co 14:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if the advertizing section should be moved from the History section to the Pricing and Availability section, since both are time and geography specific. -Gomm 20:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A reference to a social network dedicated to the iPhone was deleted from the "external links" section. These types of websites provide up-to-date information, such as new videos, which are not found on wikipedia. Moreover, they comment on rumours, which eventually turn out to be true, but obviously should not be commented in here. Isn't it reasonable to include sites such as www.2-iphone.com in the article? If it's not, why should other product articles contain more extensive lists of external links? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.37.23.178 ( talk) 01:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
i just wanted to say that the release date for the iPhone is June 15 —Preceding unsigned comment added by IloveiPhone ( talk • contribs) 20:50, February 28, 2007
As many other consumer electronics device articles have criticism sections, as do many software articles, I feel that the iPhone article deserves on itself. I've added what I can at my "work" computer. Feel free to include some sources: I know cnet has voiced their criticism over no 3g, and numerous other sites on the vast intarwebs have complained of the cost.-- Arcaynn 20:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Just because it is unreleased does not mean it has no criticism. To have a NPOV article it must include criticism. -- Arcaynn 22:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
One may praise and eulogise about an Apple product one has never even seen let alone touched, but not criticise. And when one has bought an Apple product, taken it home and used it, one must still refrain from mentioning any negative points without first checking to whom one is speaking lest one be talking to a fanboy. It is the way of things. Observe this one rule and your life on the internet will afford an easier existence.
Just check the histories of those that delete negative comments. Do they apply the same strict criteria to the speculatively positive remarks? Rarely.
Welcome to iWikipedia (formerly O'Wikipedia - where everything is Irish - including Eddie Murphy). --
195.92.40.49
18:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Surely the biggest criticism of all is this disturbing and very wrong trend towards putting computers and other things onto phones instead of phones and other things into computers. I'm not gonna use the n-word but you know what I'm talking about.
I think to make this article NPOV "iPhone" shouldn't automatically go to the Apple iPhone page. There should be a disambiguation page with both devices listed.
-- Waynekruse -- March 03 12:17 GMT +11
While kind of amusing I don't really think this is a good idea. We have the table of content right below the intro which is there for navigating the page, why have these links in the paragraph above that serve the same purpose?
And then there is that policy about making links as unambiguous as possible. If people click on a link that says "email client" they expect to be taken to a page about "email client". AlistairMcMillan 16:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
didn't steve say that the iphone has automatic spell correction, not automatic spell checking? Goldencrisp87 01:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
In revision #117159717 user AlistairMcMillan has deleted the entire Trademark dispute section. There has been no discussion whether it should be taken out of the article and I hereby call for the reintroduction of this section. At least there should be some way of finding a consensus to avoid such suspicious overnight removals of entire sections. It even looks like a mistake. Agentbla 18:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I've removed this from the article:
Firstly because we don't know whether it is a real leaked document or not. Secondly because we don't know if "Aloha" refers to the phone or the operating system. Basically this doesn't tell us anything definite.
Some interesting things about this though.
The PDF metadata has Bertrand Serlet as the author and the creation date as September 1, 2006, and suggests he was running a beta version of 10.4.8 when he allegedly created this.
According to a posting on Macrumors back in March 2006, Apple filed for a trademark on "Aloha" in Hong Kong, back in December 2004. AlistairMcMillan 06:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Before I had heard it was only a 6-month exclusivity contract (I've even seen 2 weeks...). Also, the reference cited says nothing about being exclusive until 2009. Any other references? 70.61.100.232 04:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
m2cents
I think there should be a serperate article, well maybe that is too much, but imo there is something worth mentioning between the release of the iPhone by Apple and the ENTIRE RESTRUCTURE OF AT&T For past several years and what they did to regain the wireless market by taking over Cingular in an "excluse" plan. Hoovie 23:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Important or not, it is evident that the Apple iPhone page will receive much more traffic than the Linksys iPhone page. So why not redirect the "iPhone" page to the Apple iPhone page instead of the Linksys page? Arius Maximus 18:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I cant wait! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.223.47.42 ( talk) 18:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC).
Is the phone java enabled?? can we play the games as on ipod? What about the games sold through Itunes? Is there any feature of Ipod which iPhone will not have? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.167.62.67 ( talk) 02:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
there had been suspesions that Nintendo are making $29 dollar games exclusly for iPhone URL: http://macrumors.com/2007/06/19/nintendo-iphone-games/ Langcam 07:12, 25 June 2007 (UT
Hello, it might be a good idea to give readers a sense of the excitement surrounding the iPhone by supplying some text from the liveblogging that occurred during the keynote in which the iPhone was introduced. For example, Engadget's liveblogging of the event includes some good quotes:
"Huge, huge applause, standing ovation." "'I can just take my fingers and I can move them together and further apart, and make the photo bigger or smaller.' HUGE applause -- touch gesturing apparently really hit a chord with these people." "People are rapt, everyone is actually literally leaning forward and on the edge of their seat. We've never seen a presentation like this before."
To put this device in context, I think it might be important to show how people were looking forward to this for years--the keynote atmosphere would be a good way to convey the fever pitch. 140.209.101.205 04:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Can someone remove the UK in the sentence: Apple applied for the "iPhone" trademark in the United Kingdom, Australia, Singapore and the European Union.
It is a bit redundant and falsely gives the impression that the UK is not a member of the EU. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.85.58.133 ( talk) 07:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
This is a pretty weak source [9] to say that Cingular has full reign of how the iPhone is supposed to be sold (2-year Contract only?). I don't believe that we have heard from any legit source that says Apple has bowed down to Cingular so easily. How does Cingular have full reign of service agreement in Apple Stores? I believe this is an assumption and not backed by fact. — Shanesan ( contribs) ( Talk) 12:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe you guys missed this. The first letter of the article name lacks capitalization in every instance. Please fix ASAP. Thanks. - Indolences 04:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Granted, the article mentions pricing for 2-year, new activation contracts; but what about those that have existing Cingular plans and merely want the phone? Does anyone have any information regarding retail sales? 209.114.201.30 11:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Seems like the project is so under wraps content providers can't get ahold a contact to get developer support for the Iphone. (original research done by me :) ). Mathiastck 14:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
While there's no Exchange functionality built-in to Mail, users can still connect to their Exchange email via Outlook Web Access in Safari. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.107.0.73 ( talk • contribs).
The link for the at&t does not work, it says the page is not there. Swearnese 13:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Why are we using all these terrible old pictures of the iphone, at strange angles and behind glaring glass. Can't we use some of the avalible iphone pictures on the web, I've seen them all over. These probably a reason, so sorry ahead of time.
It says in the article about the song accompanying the "Hello" ad: The commercial's background music track is "Inside Your Head" by Eberg. Notably, some of the song's lyrics have been overdubbed, replacing "I wouldn't wanna be...Inside your head" with "I wanna be...Inside your head." Not only is this redundant information, but it's also wrong. I have here the quicktime video of the ad as it was shown on apple.com and the original song and after listening for a while, i hear no difference at all. I suggest to have this corrected (proof or consensus on the web is also great) or if there is no answer at all, deleted. I don't think a lot of people will need, or miss this information, but while it's there, I'd like it to be correct.
Cheers. Kickee 05:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Really appreciate all of the great information and help here on iPhone. I am just so happy we've been able to move on from some pretty difficult situations, be them naming issues or speculation vs. actualization. I'm thinking that we should try to keep in mind that our focus should be the main purpose of this article. Is it here to publicize an actual release date without much validity? I would argue no. Additionally, I think we need to leave notes after each section to signify whether or not the user has general computing preferences for either Apple or IBM. This is key in determining whether or not this article truly meets NPOV. I trust that all users here to Wikipedia have some sort of self standards in terms of their editing contributions to various articles, talk pages, etc...but I think we really need to keep track of what's changing and for what reasons. This talk page is soooo long and I don't think that does much good for the actual article. So we should try to keep things simple, perhaps following in Apple's own footsteps. We should really revamp the main page to reflect the simplicity of Apple itself and therefore showing people just what is in store for Apple's new miniature computer, the iPhone. Let's open this discussion up to comments. -- Cynthia18 12:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Released on 6 June, 2006, but has not yet appeared on Apple's site.
82.28.228.147 20:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be something about third-party application development for iPhone? -Tapd260 (but for some reason there's a glitch that won't let me edit so I'm using my IP) 69.118.198.115 01:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I updated the thrid party info in the OSX section based on the Walt Mossberg interview with Jobs at D5.
Q: "All indications appear that the iPhone is closed, we'd love to develop apps..."
A: "This is an important tradeoff between security and openness. We want both. We're working through a way... we'll find a way to let 3rd parties write apps and still preserve security on the iPhone. But until we find that way we can't compromise the security of the phone.
I've used 3rd party apps... the more you add, the more your phone crashes. No one's perfect, and we'd sure like our phone not to crash once a day. If you can just be a little more patient with us I think everyone can get what they want."
Ahull
14:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the length of the charging cable will be? Thickness would be helpful and interesting too. Thanks. Oh, and will the box be made out of a plastic/paper composite or will it be fully recyclable card? What weight per yard? -- 86.17.211.191 14:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Have there been any concerns or discussions raising potential privacy issues surrounding the iPhone? Obviously, the iPhone is no more private than any other equivalent cell phone with regards to actual phone calls, but what about privacy concerns regarding informations being sent back to "Big Brother" on what music and movies are played on the iPhone? 204.147.113.36 17:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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Why is there no section in this entry for the criticisms that those who have recieved preview copies of the iPhone expressed. To not include any negative aspects about the phone would lead to an unbalanced article. Suckered 22:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, why is the fact that many PDAs do all this been removed - this is a valid critism provided it conforms to a NPOV. Perhaps the Criticisms heading show be renamed public response or something! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.94.167.145 ( talk • contribs).
(linkspam removed) I've been searching everywhere for well thought out critisms of the Apple iPhone that haven't been addressed elsewhere and this is by far the best article I've run across. It not only covers the shortcomings addressed elsewhere, but suggests solutions that Apple can adopt in future revisions to the product. I was actually most impressed by it's explanation of novel ways to utilize existing features that would really would push this device over the top. Wikoogle 13:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of those ideas are pretty neat. I think some of them like the tv shows on itunes and such, should be inlcuded in the wikipedia entry. Suckered 21:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Why the hell has the criticisms section been removed? What is this an Apple fan page?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chris Fletcher ( talk • contribs).
It doesn't matter. Many reviewers have already handled the iPhone and criticisms they have of the iPhone are valid and should be included in the Wikipedia article. To discuss only the positive features but exclude any negative aspects of the phone even if they were confirmed by reviewers can be considered biased. Suckered 22:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
This is highly suspicious. I suspect some kind of commercial influence preventing critism of published specs using the VERY LAME excuse that the phone is not yet available.
4th June 2007. If you cannot critisize because you can't be sure of accuracy to final product then you cannot include detailed specifications which may not turn out to be correct either. I want to include a brief sentence comparing the device to other contemporary smart phones and to mention it lacks 3.5G (HSDPA) and GPS (according to current specifications). Not to mention this fact would refelct a kind of U.S bias since the rest of the world are well advanced as far as fast 3.5G (2mbs) internet goes and pointing this out is in the public interest. For us Europeans EDGE is a bit dated.
It should be mentioned that Apple has said that the iPhone will be a closed platform and that no SDK will be available to developers. This could go in a future criticism section, but for now, I'm going to add the information in the OSX section, where the other applications are mentioned. Hemidemisemiquaver 20:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
There is not a single mention of the LG KE850 in this article, even though the two could have been separated at birth. There are many product articles on Wikipedia in which a particular item's similarity to an Apple product - particularly the iPod - is noted prominently. Wikipedia should be consistent and note that the iPhone is very similar to another product already launched: the LG KE850. Indeed, if I were LG ,I'd be security-checking my mobile phone design team right now. 86.17.247.135 17:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
using a post based upon speculation in a blog? that's your source? You have read WP:V ? -- Larry laptop 14:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Done. It now has it's own, adequately sourced section. hmwith talk 21:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Pricing in this article is too inconclusive, shouldn't someone expand it to include prices from other places than america as well, like britain, europe, china and australia. The Danielmeister 14:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I know this isn't strictly pricing, but in NYC the iPhone will hit the shelves on June 15, 2007. If your wondering my sources, I asked many retailers there on a trip I had there. -- Scikidus 23:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
If You could let me quote the article for one moment: "The iPhone will be available from the Apple Store and from AT&T Mobility, formerly Cingular Wireless, with a price of US$499 for the 4 GB model and US$599 for the 8 GB model, based on a two-year service contract. Apple intends to make the phone available in Europe in Q4 2007 and in Asia in 2008." That should answer your questions Masterhand10 (Talk) (Contributions) 15:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/verizon-passed-up-apple-iphone-deal/ -- Delsource (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that's particularly notable. Darkov 00:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
It's probably worth mentioning, if it's confirmable, it could've changed the course of the iPhone (so many people dislike cingular for one reason or another) T3h 08:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Due to Verizon's restrictions, the Iphone was rejected.
Yes, the iPhone is certainly to advanced for Verizon to handle, and does not fit with their anti-consumer "walled garden" approach. Verizon customers are dumb.
This story is definitely noteworthy for the article, but when the information goes in, please make sure it's sourced correctly and properly cited. I'll throw it up there in another day or so if no one else does it first. Roguegeek ( talk) 21:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The article seems to contradict itself. The third paragraph on "1.1 Multi-touch screen" claims that the user interface used is a " Zooming User Interface" where as the "4 Specifications" paragraph claims that the user interface is a plain " Graphical User Interface" Apple website claims that "iPhone features the most revolutionary user interface since the mouse." [1] Though some parts of the phone uses a zooming user interface, the major way of interacting with the phone is ,multi touch. Can some one throw light on this? or edit the article so that it's no longer ambiguous. I also consider adding the contradictory tag. Mugunth 10:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
First, the only vaguely "ZUI" part is the browser, which you'll notice does NOT use a two-fingered "pinch" to zoom or not... instead it's a one-finger tap... which is a good thing, since otherwise you'd need two hands to browse. The other effects, such as the scrolling and sliding pages, are simple UI bling that's been around for a decade or two (albeit rarely used).
Second, multi-touch refers to noticing and using more than one touch spot. This can be done in software or hardware. Multi-touch in the iPhone is so far apparently only used for zooming graphic images. It is in no way a "major" part of the UI at this point.
If you watch closely, there are some rules being used. User-scrolling sideways between pages is only done when it makes sense (e.g. moving between multiple images). You never see a combination of vertical and horizontal page-scrolling, undoubtedly partly to make it easier to figure out what the user is trying to do.
It's unfortunate that a stylus cannot also be used, since that limits what the touchscreen can be used for. (No signatures, drawing, doodling, handwriting recognition, etc.) Apparently it's used only for gross gestures and taps.
Kevindarling 19:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this new text POV/appropriate? "Apple doesn't tolerate any semblance of infringement on it's own trademarks. Trademark law is complex.... ...also establishes some rights." While I agree that what Apple is doing with Securipod is bad, even if this point belongs in the article, it doesn't seem well-positioned within the Trademark section or well-worded. It doesn't flow, it just seems to jump haphazardly into the text and make a statement that seems to carry a "tone" to me. It looks kind of POV to me, though the point could probably be made with NPOV. Also, the trademark section has been kept pretty fact-based. The explanation of trademark complexity seems kind of out of place, and perhaps better done with a reference to the wikipedia's entries on trademarking. Together with the seeming POVishness of the prior statement it carries more the flavor to me of trying to lay a foundation/defense for why Cisco is right and Apple is wrong. Comments? Anyone want to be bold and make those statements flow and be NPOV? If I had more conviction of it's wrong-ness and ideas on how to improve I'd do it myself...but I don't (yet). -- Jason C.K. 16:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
The "trademark is complex" thing is just not appropriate. User:Erxnmedia added it to Linksys iPhone and I dropped it when I was merging the two trademark sections here and at Linksys iPhone. Since then he/she has added it twice here. It isn't appropriate. It is obviously POV and as such doesn't belong in any article here. AlistairMcMillan 12:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Regarding my new reference in the History section to the Sep. 2006 iTunes, an interesting thing I notice at the gizmodo link is "The mobile phone "^1" contains new voice memos. Would you like to move these voice memos to your iTunes library?" So what does that tell you about voice memos on the iPhone? Though I suppose this is much too weak evidence to justify putting it in the article, it certainly looks promising for the future. -- Jason C.K. 09:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to get daily, multiple vandals, or spam or extreme POV pushing..should we be requesting semi-protection against unregistered as well as newbie (<4 days old) users? Though I do realize we have some good contributions to this article by unregistered users. I do not have time to keep reverting vandals, though I guess if the rest of you continue to keep up maybe we're fine as is. -- Jason C.K. 02:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
While there's no way of knowing if this will be in THIS iPhone (at launch, or via s.w. rev), should we have a section in here on iPhone-related patents/Apple telephony patents? Reading here, of particular interest is (quoted stuff in brackets are insertions by me from elsewhere in the article): "In other examples, the user initiation may be as a result of interacting with an application on the computing device 102 to be upgraded [or "attempting to download a twenty-sixth song" where "the song-holding capacity is twenty-five songs"]. For example, the computing device 102 may be a mobile telephone that is configured to also operate as a portable media player. The user may interact with the portable media player application, which then wirelessly (e.g., via a cellular or other wireless connection) interacts with the service ["the service may provide media to the [mobile] computing device"]." Seems pretty clear the groundwork has been laid for an iPhone to wirelessly pull iTunes content off your computer, even going so far as to hit the Music Store via your iPhone ("securely configure a [mobile] computing device"). It even mentions cellular connection, and I don't think anything in there specifies it's YOUR personal computer that is part of the overall "service"...so maybe cellular downloads from the Music Store? -- Jason C.K. 20:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
This page needs to be cleaned of vandalism. Thank you.( 72.95.185.44 02:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.95.185.44 ( talk) 02:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
Why is this article pointing to the Apple product which is not even released? As far as iPhone is concerned, Cisco still has the right, and actual product in the market. Its pathetic to see wikipedia hijacked by Apple fanbois. - 69.142.159.60 03:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Cisco Droped the lawsuit Apple Inc can use the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.238.160.98 ( talk • contribs) 22:41, February 22, 2007
I heard somewhere that if you purchase the apple iPhone you get 2 years of free service (possibly 1.5 years). Is this true? Thoraxcorp 15:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
For a relatively short and (fairly) trivial article there are too many references. The short 'History' paragraph alone has 15(!) references most of which are redundant (one should contain enough information and the rest is just repeating). Someone should filter the worthwhile links out and remove some. Agentbla 11:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't found any references to a VoIP app being included with the iPhone, nor have I seen this phone being discussed as a hybrid EDGE/Wi-Fi phone. I think the capabilities are there, I'm just not sure if anyone (Apple/Cingluar) is ready for that step yet. I know that Cingular has been testing cellular/wi-fi for years with some very closed tests (I worked in a BLS building for a time as a contractor and was offered a test phone), but don't know that it's ready for prime-time. I'm sure there are still a ton of problems with wi-fi/cellular handoffs and vice versa. Personally, I would take a hybrid phone with the understanding that when moving from Wi-fi to cellular, I would experience a significant number of dropped calls. It could even be a setting on the phone whether to accept incoming calls over wi-fi or cellular technology and/or a prompt when making an outgoing call (wi-fi or cellular). This seems to me to be a killer app in a phone and someone will get it all figured out eventually. Personally, I wouldn't put it past Steve to announce that with some of his usually flair in the next few months or even with the upgrade to Leopard on the iPhone (not really related, but Apple has consistently done things like this in the past).
As for me, I can't wait...my VZW contract ends soon and I'm holding out for the iPhone....
24.127.115.100
18:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not see or understand why my entry on the first iPhone ad was removed. I believe not only that this is relevant an appropriate information, but it is also information that people might go looking for. This IS and online encyclopedia is it not? The purpose of an encyclopedia is give information, as stated in the oxford English dictionary. Why is this piece of information being removed? The main reason I came to this specific Wiki article was to look up more information on the ad and when I saw that there was none, I decided to add all that I know about the ad, to give back to the community. Nabeel_co 14:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if the advertizing section should be moved from the History section to the Pricing and Availability section, since both are time and geography specific. -Gomm 20:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A reference to a social network dedicated to the iPhone was deleted from the "external links" section. These types of websites provide up-to-date information, such as new videos, which are not found on wikipedia. Moreover, they comment on rumours, which eventually turn out to be true, but obviously should not be commented in here. Isn't it reasonable to include sites such as www.2-iphone.com in the article? If it's not, why should other product articles contain more extensive lists of external links? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.37.23.178 ( talk) 01:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
i just wanted to say that the release date for the iPhone is June 15 —Preceding unsigned comment added by IloveiPhone ( talk • contribs) 20:50, February 28, 2007
As many other consumer electronics device articles have criticism sections, as do many software articles, I feel that the iPhone article deserves on itself. I've added what I can at my "work" computer. Feel free to include some sources: I know cnet has voiced their criticism over no 3g, and numerous other sites on the vast intarwebs have complained of the cost.-- Arcaynn 20:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Just because it is unreleased does not mean it has no criticism. To have a NPOV article it must include criticism. -- Arcaynn 22:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
One may praise and eulogise about an Apple product one has never even seen let alone touched, but not criticise. And when one has bought an Apple product, taken it home and used it, one must still refrain from mentioning any negative points without first checking to whom one is speaking lest one be talking to a fanboy. It is the way of things. Observe this one rule and your life on the internet will afford an easier existence.
Just check the histories of those that delete negative comments. Do they apply the same strict criteria to the speculatively positive remarks? Rarely.
Welcome to iWikipedia (formerly O'Wikipedia - where everything is Irish - including Eddie Murphy). --
195.92.40.49
18:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Surely the biggest criticism of all is this disturbing and very wrong trend towards putting computers and other things onto phones instead of phones and other things into computers. I'm not gonna use the n-word but you know what I'm talking about.
I think to make this article NPOV "iPhone" shouldn't automatically go to the Apple iPhone page. There should be a disambiguation page with both devices listed.
-- Waynekruse -- March 03 12:17 GMT +11
While kind of amusing I don't really think this is a good idea. We have the table of content right below the intro which is there for navigating the page, why have these links in the paragraph above that serve the same purpose?
And then there is that policy about making links as unambiguous as possible. If people click on a link that says "email client" they expect to be taken to a page about "email client". AlistairMcMillan 16:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
didn't steve say that the iphone has automatic spell correction, not automatic spell checking? Goldencrisp87 01:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
In revision #117159717 user AlistairMcMillan has deleted the entire Trademark dispute section. There has been no discussion whether it should be taken out of the article and I hereby call for the reintroduction of this section. At least there should be some way of finding a consensus to avoid such suspicious overnight removals of entire sections. It even looks like a mistake. Agentbla 18:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I've removed this from the article:
Firstly because we don't know whether it is a real leaked document or not. Secondly because we don't know if "Aloha" refers to the phone or the operating system. Basically this doesn't tell us anything definite.
Some interesting things about this though.
The PDF metadata has Bertrand Serlet as the author and the creation date as September 1, 2006, and suggests he was running a beta version of 10.4.8 when he allegedly created this.
According to a posting on Macrumors back in March 2006, Apple filed for a trademark on "Aloha" in Hong Kong, back in December 2004. AlistairMcMillan 06:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Before I had heard it was only a 6-month exclusivity contract (I've even seen 2 weeks...). Also, the reference cited says nothing about being exclusive until 2009. Any other references? 70.61.100.232 04:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
m2cents
I think there should be a serperate article, well maybe that is too much, but imo there is something worth mentioning between the release of the iPhone by Apple and the ENTIRE RESTRUCTURE OF AT&T For past several years and what they did to regain the wireless market by taking over Cingular in an "excluse" plan. Hoovie 23:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Important or not, it is evident that the Apple iPhone page will receive much more traffic than the Linksys iPhone page. So why not redirect the "iPhone" page to the Apple iPhone page instead of the Linksys page? Arius Maximus 18:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
I cant wait! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.223.47.42 ( talk) 18:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC).
Is the phone java enabled?? can we play the games as on ipod? What about the games sold through Itunes? Is there any feature of Ipod which iPhone will not have? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.167.62.67 ( talk) 02:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
there had been suspesions that Nintendo are making $29 dollar games exclusly for iPhone URL: http://macrumors.com/2007/06/19/nintendo-iphone-games/ Langcam 07:12, 25 June 2007 (UT
Hello, it might be a good idea to give readers a sense of the excitement surrounding the iPhone by supplying some text from the liveblogging that occurred during the keynote in which the iPhone was introduced. For example, Engadget's liveblogging of the event includes some good quotes:
"Huge, huge applause, standing ovation." "'I can just take my fingers and I can move them together and further apart, and make the photo bigger or smaller.' HUGE applause -- touch gesturing apparently really hit a chord with these people." "People are rapt, everyone is actually literally leaning forward and on the edge of their seat. We've never seen a presentation like this before."
To put this device in context, I think it might be important to show how people were looking forward to this for years--the keynote atmosphere would be a good way to convey the fever pitch. 140.209.101.205 04:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Can someone remove the UK in the sentence: Apple applied for the "iPhone" trademark in the United Kingdom, Australia, Singapore and the European Union.
It is a bit redundant and falsely gives the impression that the UK is not a member of the EU. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.85.58.133 ( talk) 07:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC).
This is a pretty weak source [9] to say that Cingular has full reign of how the iPhone is supposed to be sold (2-year Contract only?). I don't believe that we have heard from any legit source that says Apple has bowed down to Cingular so easily. How does Cingular have full reign of service agreement in Apple Stores? I believe this is an assumption and not backed by fact. — Shanesan ( contribs) ( Talk) 12:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe you guys missed this. The first letter of the article name lacks capitalization in every instance. Please fix ASAP. Thanks. - Indolences 04:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Granted, the article mentions pricing for 2-year, new activation contracts; but what about those that have existing Cingular plans and merely want the phone? Does anyone have any information regarding retail sales? 209.114.201.30 11:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Seems like the project is so under wraps content providers can't get ahold a contact to get developer support for the Iphone. (original research done by me :) ). Mathiastck 14:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
While there's no Exchange functionality built-in to Mail, users can still connect to their Exchange email via Outlook Web Access in Safari. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.107.0.73 ( talk • contribs).
The link for the at&t does not work, it says the page is not there. Swearnese 13:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Why are we using all these terrible old pictures of the iphone, at strange angles and behind glaring glass. Can't we use some of the avalible iphone pictures on the web, I've seen them all over. These probably a reason, so sorry ahead of time.
It says in the article about the song accompanying the "Hello" ad: The commercial's background music track is "Inside Your Head" by Eberg. Notably, some of the song's lyrics have been overdubbed, replacing "I wouldn't wanna be...Inside your head" with "I wanna be...Inside your head." Not only is this redundant information, but it's also wrong. I have here the quicktime video of the ad as it was shown on apple.com and the original song and after listening for a while, i hear no difference at all. I suggest to have this corrected (proof or consensus on the web is also great) or if there is no answer at all, deleted. I don't think a lot of people will need, or miss this information, but while it's there, I'd like it to be correct.
Cheers. Kickee 05:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey everyone. Really appreciate all of the great information and help here on iPhone. I am just so happy we've been able to move on from some pretty difficult situations, be them naming issues or speculation vs. actualization. I'm thinking that we should try to keep in mind that our focus should be the main purpose of this article. Is it here to publicize an actual release date without much validity? I would argue no. Additionally, I think we need to leave notes after each section to signify whether or not the user has general computing preferences for either Apple or IBM. This is key in determining whether or not this article truly meets NPOV. I trust that all users here to Wikipedia have some sort of self standards in terms of their editing contributions to various articles, talk pages, etc...but I think we really need to keep track of what's changing and for what reasons. This talk page is soooo long and I don't think that does much good for the actual article. So we should try to keep things simple, perhaps following in Apple's own footsteps. We should really revamp the main page to reflect the simplicity of Apple itself and therefore showing people just what is in store for Apple's new miniature computer, the iPhone. Let's open this discussion up to comments. -- Cynthia18 12:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Released on 6 June, 2006, but has not yet appeared on Apple's site.
82.28.228.147 20:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be something about third-party application development for iPhone? -Tapd260 (but for some reason there's a glitch that won't let me edit so I'm using my IP) 69.118.198.115 01:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I updated the thrid party info in the OSX section based on the Walt Mossberg interview with Jobs at D5.
Q: "All indications appear that the iPhone is closed, we'd love to develop apps..."
A: "This is an important tradeoff between security and openness. We want both. We're working through a way... we'll find a way to let 3rd parties write apps and still preserve security on the iPhone. But until we find that way we can't compromise the security of the phone.
I've used 3rd party apps... the more you add, the more your phone crashes. No one's perfect, and we'd sure like our phone not to crash once a day. If you can just be a little more patient with us I think everyone can get what they want."
Ahull
14:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the length of the charging cable will be? Thickness would be helpful and interesting too. Thanks. Oh, and will the box be made out of a plastic/paper composite or will it be fully recyclable card? What weight per yard? -- 86.17.211.191 14:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Have there been any concerns or discussions raising potential privacy issues surrounding the iPhone? Obviously, the iPhone is no more private than any other equivalent cell phone with regards to actual phone calls, but what about privacy concerns regarding informations being sent back to "Big Brother" on what music and movies are played on the iPhone? 204.147.113.36 17:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)