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Highest clery is named with their titles on Wikipedia, similar like Pope Benedict XVI, who is not listed as Benedict XVI. This is similar to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani as well. Gryffindor 22:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Moved. WhiteNight T | @ | C 06:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Why is it placed?-- Ķĩřβȳ Ťįɱé Ø 04:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Re: He retains a large following amongst religious Shi'a Muslims in Iran. Is that true? How large a group? If he had a large group of followers how come they did nothing to release him from the house arrest of 1997-2003? Does it make sense?
Who is http://www.irvl.net? Who is Frederick Nemani? What are their credentials? Come on guys, you call this research? Where is the original document? Let's not forget the rules of Wiki!
PS1: He was known as Gorbeh Nareh (an indecisive cartoon character!) in Iran!
PS2: [4] http://www.amontazeri.com/Farsi/Payamha/87.HTM This domain is parked, pending renewal, or has expired. Kiumars
I replaced the disputed "following" statement with a sourced mention of his "enduring influence." What do you all think about this? The Behnam 08:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Gerash77, this sentence is misleading:
It is an established fact that Khomeini did not have Grand Ayatollah support for velayat-e faqih. The constitution was changed because otherwise no Khomeini-supporter would be elligible to become Supreme Leader.
To be honest I don't know these writers, I just assumed they are critics because the information presented are IMO incorrect. I don't know what is the raw source regarding no marjas accepted the velayat theory, but from what I have seen on there website, none have rejected velayat faqih. See: List of marjas -- Gerash 77 02:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Interesting. I just read on wiki Persian [3] that Khamenei has rejected the illimitable velayate faqih. I'll try to find out the speech. -- Gerash 77 02:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I would doubt that any marja would reject VF totally, there is some difference of opinion between ayatollahs about the extent of VF, for example, Mesbah Yazdi is known to be the extreme end, calling for abolishing majlis and elections for one "Islamic state" run by a marja. I couldn't find any marja totally rejecting VF, although I hear from the western sources that they do. Looking at how even the Iraqi government get his "guidance" from Sistani, would tell me that western sources are wrong about the issue.-- Gerash 77 20:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
It was changed so that Sayyid Khamenei could become the Supreme Leader. Armyrifle 22:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
References
Can somebody who knows what these sources are about make them formal references in the style of those others that I have made for this article as of late? Also check to make sure they support their claims and that they are reliable, as I have no way of doing this easily. Thanks. The Behnam 08:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this is significant enough to include. On the list of demands being distributed starting June 15, 2009, #3 is for Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri to become the temporary Supreme Leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khassani ( talk • contribs) 02:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is it Hosein-Ali Montazeri? Why is it not Hossein-Ali Montazeri? The latter is more frequently used and the article uses this as well.-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 04:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Agreed!-- WIMYV? ( talk) 01:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Iranian pronounce the name differently to Arabs. Mir-Hossein Mousavi is another example that shows the name should be written as Hossein not Hussein. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipersian ( talk • contribs) 08:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree. I speak Persian, and it is absolutely pronounced Hossein. He's even referred to throughout the article as Hussein-Ali Montazeri. Does anyone know why it's named "Hussein-Ali" here? If you can't find a good reason, go ahead and move it. (I guess I'm not bold enough.) -- LakeHMM ( talk) 04:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The Merge discussion is going on at Talk:Timeline of the 2009 Iranian election protests#Merge please share your input there. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
...States alot of information but lack sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NPz1 ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
The above still stands... come on guys considering the status of iran in the eyes of the west at this time, there must be someone who can get sources on such a previously prominent figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.213.36 ( talk) 04:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
there are a lot of errors on this page. i suggest that it be tagged and have an expert fix it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.65.31.107 ( talk) 12:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
most importantly he was not removed as the deputy leader in 1987, it was in 1989 immediately following the release of Salman Rushdie's the Satanic Verses
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Highest clery is named with their titles on Wikipedia, similar like Pope Benedict XVI, who is not listed as Benedict XVI. This is similar to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani as well. Gryffindor 22:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Moved. WhiteNight T | @ | C 06:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Why is it placed?-- Ķĩřβȳ Ťįɱé Ø 04:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Re: He retains a large following amongst religious Shi'a Muslims in Iran. Is that true? How large a group? If he had a large group of followers how come they did nothing to release him from the house arrest of 1997-2003? Does it make sense?
Who is http://www.irvl.net? Who is Frederick Nemani? What are their credentials? Come on guys, you call this research? Where is the original document? Let's not forget the rules of Wiki!
PS1: He was known as Gorbeh Nareh (an indecisive cartoon character!) in Iran!
PS2: [4] http://www.amontazeri.com/Farsi/Payamha/87.HTM This domain is parked, pending renewal, or has expired. Kiumars
I replaced the disputed "following" statement with a sourced mention of his "enduring influence." What do you all think about this? The Behnam 08:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Gerash77, this sentence is misleading:
It is an established fact that Khomeini did not have Grand Ayatollah support for velayat-e faqih. The constitution was changed because otherwise no Khomeini-supporter would be elligible to become Supreme Leader.
To be honest I don't know these writers, I just assumed they are critics because the information presented are IMO incorrect. I don't know what is the raw source regarding no marjas accepted the velayat theory, but from what I have seen on there website, none have rejected velayat faqih. See: List of marjas -- Gerash 77 02:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Interesting. I just read on wiki Persian [3] that Khamenei has rejected the illimitable velayate faqih. I'll try to find out the speech. -- Gerash 77 02:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I would doubt that any marja would reject VF totally, there is some difference of opinion between ayatollahs about the extent of VF, for example, Mesbah Yazdi is known to be the extreme end, calling for abolishing majlis and elections for one "Islamic state" run by a marja. I couldn't find any marja totally rejecting VF, although I hear from the western sources that they do. Looking at how even the Iraqi government get his "guidance" from Sistani, would tell me that western sources are wrong about the issue.-- Gerash 77 20:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
It was changed so that Sayyid Khamenei could become the Supreme Leader. Armyrifle 22:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
References
Can somebody who knows what these sources are about make them formal references in the style of those others that I have made for this article as of late? Also check to make sure they support their claims and that they are reliable, as I have no way of doing this easily. Thanks. The Behnam 08:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this is significant enough to include. On the list of demands being distributed starting June 15, 2009, #3 is for Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri to become the temporary Supreme Leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khassani ( talk • contribs) 02:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Why is it Hosein-Ali Montazeri? Why is it not Hossein-Ali Montazeri? The latter is more frequently used and the article uses this as well.-- RekishiEJ ( talk) 04:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Agreed!-- WIMYV? ( talk) 01:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Iranian pronounce the name differently to Arabs. Mir-Hossein Mousavi is another example that shows the name should be written as Hossein not Hussein. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipersian ( talk • contribs) 08:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree. I speak Persian, and it is absolutely pronounced Hossein. He's even referred to throughout the article as Hussein-Ali Montazeri. Does anyone know why it's named "Hussein-Ali" here? If you can't find a good reason, go ahead and move it. (I guess I'm not bold enough.) -- LakeHMM ( talk) 04:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
The Merge discussion is going on at Talk:Timeline of the 2009 Iranian election protests#Merge please share your input there. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 19:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
...States alot of information but lack sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NPz1 ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
The above still stands... come on guys considering the status of iran in the eyes of the west at this time, there must be someone who can get sources on such a previously prominent figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.213.36 ( talk) 04:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
there are a lot of errors on this page. i suggest that it be tagged and have an expert fix it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.65.31.107 ( talk) 12:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
most importantly he was not removed as the deputy leader in 1987, it was in 1989 immediately following the release of Salman Rushdie's the Satanic Verses
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