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Why is it that so little of the information in this article is accurate? The Ramban Synagogue, while indeed below the Hurva, is a separate synagogue. It was founded by followers of Yehudah HaHasid, but it was in the eighteenth century, if memory serves me correct. Etc. etc. etc. I wish I had my texts here with me for precise info, but right now, this is very wrong. Danny 05:20, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I have today rewritten some and added a lot of info to this topic. I believe the reference to the Ramban synagogue is correct but will check and update if required.-- KevR 13:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The Jordanian commander on the scene is reported to have told his superiors: "For the first time in 1,000 years, there's not a single Jew left in the Jewish Quarter, and not a single building that hasn't been damaged. This will make the return of Jews here impossible."
This passage is unsourced... and the only references I can find for it on the web appear to be lifted from this page... wikipedia mirrors, one blog and one discussion forum. I suggest removing it unless it can be properly cited. 128.232.240.178 21:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
"They trundled their belongings into this city, they settled, they took hold, they prospered.
For six centuries, there has been a Jewish Cracow. (<->"For the first time in 1,000 years, there's not a single Jew left in the Jewish Quarter")
By this weekend, those six centuries, they're a rumor. They never happened. Today is history." Amoruso 12:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Taken from the text of the section entitled Arrival of the Perushim..... "One night he was shot at by an unknown assailant who missed but later drowned after falling into a cistern. On a second occasion he was attacked on his way to prayers early one morning. He was struck on the head with a sword and died of his wounds three months later." Is it being suggested that he died twice - should the report of the initial attack state that he 'later..... [nearly] drowned...' rather than '....later drowned....' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.242.66 ( talk) 15:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
In Hebrew, a bet following a shva nah should have a dagesh, hence the name should be "hurba", not "hurva". Although apparently very common, it is nevertheless a misspelling, and Wikipedia shouldn't propagate it.-- Doron 20:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
If there's no objection, I'll correct the spelling and rename the article accordingly.-- Doron 00:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Being such a stickler for proper grammar, how come you wrote "beit haknesset hahurba"? In smikhut it should be "beit knesset hahurba." -- Gilabrand 09:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the quotes here are way too long (and end up being boring). I would summarize them in a few sentences.-- Gilabrand 10:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
The following eludicated quote of Abdullah el Tell is reprinted in The Complete Idiot's Guide to Jerusalem, by Jeffers, H. Paul. Alpha Books, 2004, p.164. ISBN 1592571794. Not being a RS, if anyone has his original memoris (in English?) (The Calamity of Palestine, the memoirs of Abdallah al-Tall, (Arabic), Cairo 1959), please re-add, citing references. Thanks! Chesdovi ( talk) 01:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
"Operations of calculated destruction had been set in motion because the Jewish Quarter had no strategic value. Its buildings and shrines were not destroyed in battle. All this took place after military activities had come to a standstill."
Haaretz journalist Nir Hasson wrote in 2009 that "According to a prophecy made by the Vilna Gaon, the synagogue's third completion will precede the construction of the Third Temple." Can the original souce be found? Chesdovi ( talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
But in the occupied east Jerusalem [1] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 23:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Synagogue is not in the British mandate of Palestine either. [2] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 00:17, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
http://www.chabad.info/index.php?url=article_en&id=18000 - photo gallery of opening.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=U9kME8jStuMC&pg=PT53&dq=churva&lr=&cd=10#v=onepage&q=churva&f=false - "ancient custom" of children answering yehei shmei rabbah.
Rabbi Elyashiv visits the Hurva, 31/03/10
that the synagogue was reduced to rubble by the
Arab League? Are we trying to be
PC here? Isn't the idea to give as much reliable information as possible? Every attempt to include the fact that it was dynamited by the Arab League during the 48 War gets reverted. ??
Stellarkid (
talk) 20:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I did agree with the comment about lack of detail on architecture. There must be a comparison somewhere between the old and new Hurva Synagogues - i.e. how faithful is the restoration and what divergences there are. And more details on the architecture of each. This and the other prophecy bit would be good to sort out before copyediting again (always good to nail down comprehensiveness before smoothing out the prose...) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 11:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
See משיחי השקר ומתנגדיהם by Rabbi Hamburger, Appendix V, in which he discusses the Sabbatean leanings of the founders of the Churva Shul. He also discusses the history of the shul, as well as the implications of the appointment of Rav Simcha Kook as its Rov. -- רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 16:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Tiferet Yisrael Synagogue seems to be another article about the same site. -- Vicky Ng ( talk) 22:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I would like to thank Jser:ChesdovilChesdovi the editor who removed the image gallery and explain why I reverted his or her edit.
This award winning arricle featured, until his edit late last year,, a beautiful gallery of images of the building, past and present. This article has won awards in the past for its quality as an architectural article; most articles on churches, synagogues, mosques and other religious structures feature beautiful galleries, and asking people to go to Wikimedia to voew them cheapens the article and makes these photos less accessible, especially since many people don't know how to search that site. Therefore, I have restored the gallery. If it is removed again I will seek arbitration; in addition I am submitting this article in its present form with the gallery for consideration for another award for a good architectural article.
I also fear the removal pf the images of the new synagogue in particular could be perceived by some as anti-Semitic, and celebrated by anti-Semitic anonymous trolls who keep vandalizing the article, who I know User:ChesdovilChesdovi is opposed to, in violation of Wikipedia's policies; depicting photos of the old synagogue in ruins in large quantities without showing the photos of the beautiful details of the new synagogue, like the mural "By the rivers of Babylon" and the stained glass windows, sends the wrong message (that wikipedia likes showimg pictures of synagogues in ruins but not those same synagogues when they are rebuilt). I have put this article on my watchlist and I don't want to see that gallery removed again; if you want to rearrange the pictures to evenly distribute them through the article, that would be acceptable to me, and would probably be a good idea, provided none are removed, but I urge you User:ChesdovilChesdovi to not remove the gallery again. If you wish to make a counter-proposal regarding image content in tje article, I would be prepared to hear you out,. Wgw2024 ( talk) 08:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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I have moved the above here, as it doesn’t appear to relate to the area of this synagogue, but is written as if it does.
Does anyone have access to the underlying sources who can confirm? Onceinawhile ( talk) 01:42, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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Why is it that so little of the information in this article is accurate? The Ramban Synagogue, while indeed below the Hurva, is a separate synagogue. It was founded by followers of Yehudah HaHasid, but it was in the eighteenth century, if memory serves me correct. Etc. etc. etc. I wish I had my texts here with me for precise info, but right now, this is very wrong. Danny 05:20, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I have today rewritten some and added a lot of info to this topic. I believe the reference to the Ramban synagogue is correct but will check and update if required.-- KevR 13:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The Jordanian commander on the scene is reported to have told his superiors: "For the first time in 1,000 years, there's not a single Jew left in the Jewish Quarter, and not a single building that hasn't been damaged. This will make the return of Jews here impossible."
This passage is unsourced... and the only references I can find for it on the web appear to be lifted from this page... wikipedia mirrors, one blog and one discussion forum. I suggest removing it unless it can be properly cited. 128.232.240.178 21:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
"They trundled their belongings into this city, they settled, they took hold, they prospered.
For six centuries, there has been a Jewish Cracow. (<->"For the first time in 1,000 years, there's not a single Jew left in the Jewish Quarter")
By this weekend, those six centuries, they're a rumor. They never happened. Today is history." Amoruso 12:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Taken from the text of the section entitled Arrival of the Perushim..... "One night he was shot at by an unknown assailant who missed but later drowned after falling into a cistern. On a second occasion he was attacked on his way to prayers early one morning. He was struck on the head with a sword and died of his wounds three months later." Is it being suggested that he died twice - should the report of the initial attack state that he 'later..... [nearly] drowned...' rather than '....later drowned....' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.242.66 ( talk) 15:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
In Hebrew, a bet following a shva nah should have a dagesh, hence the name should be "hurba", not "hurva". Although apparently very common, it is nevertheless a misspelling, and Wikipedia shouldn't propagate it.-- Doron 20:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
If there's no objection, I'll correct the spelling and rename the article accordingly.-- Doron 00:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Being such a stickler for proper grammar, how come you wrote "beit haknesset hahurba"? In smikhut it should be "beit knesset hahurba." -- Gilabrand 09:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I think the quotes here are way too long (and end up being boring). I would summarize them in a few sentences.-- Gilabrand 10:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
The following eludicated quote of Abdullah el Tell is reprinted in The Complete Idiot's Guide to Jerusalem, by Jeffers, H. Paul. Alpha Books, 2004, p.164. ISBN 1592571794. Not being a RS, if anyone has his original memoris (in English?) (The Calamity of Palestine, the memoirs of Abdallah al-Tall, (Arabic), Cairo 1959), please re-add, citing references. Thanks! Chesdovi ( talk) 01:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
"Operations of calculated destruction had been set in motion because the Jewish Quarter had no strategic value. Its buildings and shrines were not destroyed in battle. All this took place after military activities had come to a standstill."
Haaretz journalist Nir Hasson wrote in 2009 that "According to a prophecy made by the Vilna Gaon, the synagogue's third completion will precede the construction of the Third Temple." Can the original souce be found? Chesdovi ( talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
But in the occupied east Jerusalem [1] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 23:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Synagogue is not in the British mandate of Palestine either. [2] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 00:17, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
http://www.chabad.info/index.php?url=article_en&id=18000 - photo gallery of opening.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=U9kME8jStuMC&pg=PT53&dq=churva&lr=&cd=10#v=onepage&q=churva&f=false - "ancient custom" of children answering yehei shmei rabbah.
Rabbi Elyashiv visits the Hurva, 31/03/10
that the synagogue was reduced to rubble by the
Arab League? Are we trying to be
PC here? Isn't the idea to give as much reliable information as possible? Every attempt to include the fact that it was dynamited by the Arab League during the 48 War gets reverted. ??
Stellarkid (
talk) 20:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I did agree with the comment about lack of detail on architecture. There must be a comparison somewhere between the old and new Hurva Synagogues - i.e. how faithful is the restoration and what divergences there are. And more details on the architecture of each. This and the other prophecy bit would be good to sort out before copyediting again (always good to nail down comprehensiveness before smoothing out the prose...) Casliber ( talk · contribs) 11:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
See משיחי השקר ומתנגדיהם by Rabbi Hamburger, Appendix V, in which he discusses the Sabbatean leanings of the founders of the Churva Shul. He also discusses the history of the shul, as well as the implications of the appointment of Rav Simcha Kook as its Rov. -- רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 16:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Tiferet Yisrael Synagogue seems to be another article about the same site. -- Vicky Ng ( talk) 22:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I would like to thank Jser:ChesdovilChesdovi the editor who removed the image gallery and explain why I reverted his or her edit.
This award winning arricle featured, until his edit late last year,, a beautiful gallery of images of the building, past and present. This article has won awards in the past for its quality as an architectural article; most articles on churches, synagogues, mosques and other religious structures feature beautiful galleries, and asking people to go to Wikimedia to voew them cheapens the article and makes these photos less accessible, especially since many people don't know how to search that site. Therefore, I have restored the gallery. If it is removed again I will seek arbitration; in addition I am submitting this article in its present form with the gallery for consideration for another award for a good architectural article.
I also fear the removal pf the images of the new synagogue in particular could be perceived by some as anti-Semitic, and celebrated by anti-Semitic anonymous trolls who keep vandalizing the article, who I know User:ChesdovilChesdovi is opposed to, in violation of Wikipedia's policies; depicting photos of the old synagogue in ruins in large quantities without showing the photos of the beautiful details of the new synagogue, like the mural "By the rivers of Babylon" and the stained glass windows, sends the wrong message (that wikipedia likes showimg pictures of synagogues in ruins but not those same synagogues when they are rebuilt). I have put this article on my watchlist and I don't want to see that gallery removed again; if you want to rearrange the pictures to evenly distribute them through the article, that would be acceptable to me, and would probably be a good idea, provided none are removed, but I urge you User:ChesdovilChesdovi to not remove the gallery again. If you wish to make a counter-proposal regarding image content in tje article, I would be prepared to hear you out,. Wgw2024 ( talk) 08:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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I have moved the above here, as it doesn’t appear to relate to the area of this synagogue, but is written as if it does.
Does anyone have access to the underlying sources who can confirm? Onceinawhile ( talk) 01:42, 8 September 2021 (UTC)