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I was 14 years old when I went through Hurricane Donna on the island of Grassey Key in the Florida Keys. My family's home was on the Gulf front of the island. My aunt, with whom I lived, invited some of her friends to join us in the shelter of our home, which my aunt thought to be impervious to hurricanes. The home was constructed of concrete blocks and poured concrete and sat well above sea level, the porch being on concrete pillars. We had large a salt water swimming pool which was in the shape of an "L", a part of which was screened in on the porch.
At that time, Milton Santini had his porpoise training school across the bay and had nowhere for the porpoise to weather the storm. My aunt invited him to put some of his porpoise in our salt water pool for the storm. He did and I really can't quite remember how many there were in there. There were at least 3, one of which was "Mitzi" who was the original Flipper. The porpoise made it through the storm, but needless to say, after the hurricane passed, the pool was a total mess, as porpoise are mammals.
I got sidetracked remembering the porpoise. I'll get back to the story.
I remember the purple lightening during Hurricane Donna and how the wind howled. My aunt must have had a premonition because she made some of the men who were in the house get a mattress and put it over our plate glass doors in the living room by the porch. No sooner than they did this, both glass doors broke. We would have all been badly injured had the matresses not been in place. After the doors broke, everyone went up to the upstairs with the wind and seaweed flying past our heads. It was very frightening! The waves were washing through the house as we went up the stairs to the second floor. One of the guests lost his presence of mind and went around breaking the windows in the upstairs. His reasoning was to let the pressure out. My best friend and I huddled in the shower, praying that we would be alright.
We all made it through Hurricane Donna, but with a hefty respect for the weather. My home was seriously damaged, and I remember my aunt having to obtain an SBA loan in order to make the repairs. After than time we went through Hurricane Betsy and Inez, but neither was as severe as Hurricane Donna.
We had two windmills at our home. One watered the lawn, and the other pumped salt water into our swimming pool. After Hurricane Donna both windmills were broken, but one windmill still stands, but is not operable. This I saw upon a visit that I made to the Keys and to my former home. After my aunt died, the home was sold, and I now live in Northwest Arkansas.
Something to think about is when did hurricane seeding go into effect? There was discussion [and still is] that the government had seeded Hurricane Donna, trying to lessen it, but created a monster of a storm. I find it rather strange that when hurricanes are named on the television or radio now, Hurricane Donna is not mentioned as the severe hurricane that she was. Was it because the government has downplayed the "seeding" of Hurricane Donna? Think about it.
Thanks for letting me write here. If you have any comments, my e-mail address is <removed to prevent spam harvesting>.
Article says "it is the only storm to produce hurricane-force winds on every inch of the east coast". However this is surely not true. From the best track ( s:Atlantic hurricane best track):
HRBFL4 NC3 NY3DFL2 CT2 RI2 MA1 NH1 ME1
meaning it brought cat4 winds to SW Florida, Cat3 winds to NC and NY, cat2 winds to NE florida, CT, RI, and cat1 winds to MA NH and ME. Note there is no mention of SC, GA, or VA at all, nor of southeast florida (CFL). Jdorje 04:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
More impact...maybe the personal story quoted above can be of use here (would that be an appropriate thing to add to wikisource?). Jdorje 21:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Usefulness of the table? Andrew was much more intense at landfall than Katrina was. The table ranks most intense hurricanes that also happened to make landfall, but not based on landfall intensity. We should be very clear when ranking landfalling hurricanes, and only use intensity at landfall. Otherwise it's apples and oranges, isn't it? DavidH 06:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
This hurricane was part of the Atlantic hurricane reanalysis project, so all figures will need double-checking with this. Tito xd( ?!?) 23:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
More info in the impact, a preparations section, aftermath section and figure out how to get rid of that whitespace in the storm history section. Storm05 14:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The satellite image that is currently being shown on the main article page is incorrect. This is actually a composited image of Hurricane Alicia (before landfall in Galveston) superimposed over a McIDAS topography grid of Southern Florida. This image was created for a presentation during the 1984 National Hurricane Conference and was intended to represent a "What if" scenario, for a small intense hurricane striking the Florida Keys. Somehow, this image was incorrectly published in the revised edition of the book "Florida Hurricanes & Tropical Storms" as being "Donna".
Besides the fact that I personally attended the 1984 Hurricane Conference and saw this image during the actual presentation, there are a number of other reasons why this cannot be a satellite photo of Donna:
Here is a link to a side-by-side comparisonimage that I put together to show an actual Alicia AVHRR image from a couple of hours after the purported 'Donna' image, compared to the image currently on the main article page.
Unless anyone has a different perspective, I will change the image to good resolution radar photo that actually does show Hurricane Donna.
-- Michael Laca 08:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
NHC responded. It's not Donna, but not Alicia either, apparently. The email response includes a quote from Dr. Pasch from 1998:
"A geostationary satellite photograph, purportedly of Hurricane Donna (1960), is actually one of Hurricane Anita (1977) with altered map graphics."
– Chacor 14:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
-- Michael Laca 21:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)"Mike, Yes, I think you are right -- it does look more like Alicia than Anita. Too late to issue a correction to my review of the book "Florida Hurricanes and Tropical Storms" where I commented on this picture. Far more importantly, the image is definitely NOT one of Hurricane Donna."
More Information About The Destruction Hurricane Donna Made Would Be Nice Including The Total Destruction Of Texas Tower #4 Early Radar Station That Hurricane Donna Ran Directly Over Top Of And Killed Everyone On Board. What Also Would Be Nice Is Where The Texas Tower #4 Location Related To The Track Of Hurricane Donna.
The Locations Of The Towers Were At:
No. 2 - Georges Shoal, in 56-foot deep water,110 miles east of Cape Cod 41°44′N, 67°47′W
No. 3 - Nantucket Shoal, in 80-foot water, 100 miles south-east of Rhode Island 40°45′N, 69°19′W
No. 4 - Unnamed Shoal, in 185-foot water, 84 miles south-east of New York City 39°48′N, 72°40′W
KingSparta 21:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Was Donna the first hurricane photographed from space? If she is not, then the title goes to Hurricane Anna of 1961. Whoever it is deserves a mention of that in their respective article. -- § Hurricane E RIC archive 01:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm close to submitting this article for GA, but am running into a format issue in this page. Any suggestions? Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
A number of refs, additional detail, convert templates, date wikilink removal, and rewriting was required to bring this article up to speed. It should be ready for GA now. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up soon. Dana boomer ( talk) 18:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
There are quite a few little things that need to be done with references, as well as a few minor issues with prose and MOS, so I am putting the article on hold for seven days to give you time to address these. Drop me a note here on the review page or on my talk page if you have any questions. Dana boomer ( talk) 19:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
What about cases where the author and publisher are the same? Thegreatdr ( talk) 17:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I've properly formatted the refs, and removed the information on deaths split between direct and indirect (as this is what I was most worried about not having a source). The other section I mention that doesn't have a source (in the MH section), isn't really controversial, so doesn't need a source now, but it is something to keep on your list of things to do to further improve the article. One other thing would be to make sure that your dollar conversions match up. You have damages in 2008 dollars in the infobox, in 2006 dollars at one point in the impacts section, and in 2005 dollars in one of the charts. Pick a year and standardize them all.
Besides these things, the article looks good, and so I am passing it to GA status. Nice work! Dana boomer ( talk) 20:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Given that 1960 AHS is on GTC right now, this article needs to be improved to maintain its current GA status. Mostly, that would mean that it would pass the current GA standards. This is not meant to slight the existing version of the article - it was good for 2008! We just gotta add some more.
That's what's generally needed. Feel free to add to the list, or help by improving the article. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 14:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Hurricane Donna/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Preps? Aftermath? The SH and impact look good, though. – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
Last edited at 21:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 18:31, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi:
Why Donna has been downgraded to category 4 when these references HURDAT and Canadian Hurricane Center clearly state that the hurricane reached during a short time the category 5 (too short a time to be indicated on the track in the article)? This has been done by an IP (2601:18a:8280:47c3:510c:4b28:73b:4349) and user Woody Floyd whitout references and you believed it!
Pierre cb ( talk) 16:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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I was 14 years old when I went through Hurricane Donna on the island of Grassey Key in the Florida Keys. My family's home was on the Gulf front of the island. My aunt, with whom I lived, invited some of her friends to join us in the shelter of our home, which my aunt thought to be impervious to hurricanes. The home was constructed of concrete blocks and poured concrete and sat well above sea level, the porch being on concrete pillars. We had large a salt water swimming pool which was in the shape of an "L", a part of which was screened in on the porch.
At that time, Milton Santini had his porpoise training school across the bay and had nowhere for the porpoise to weather the storm. My aunt invited him to put some of his porpoise in our salt water pool for the storm. He did and I really can't quite remember how many there were in there. There were at least 3, one of which was "Mitzi" who was the original Flipper. The porpoise made it through the storm, but needless to say, after the hurricane passed, the pool was a total mess, as porpoise are mammals.
I got sidetracked remembering the porpoise. I'll get back to the story.
I remember the purple lightening during Hurricane Donna and how the wind howled. My aunt must have had a premonition because she made some of the men who were in the house get a mattress and put it over our plate glass doors in the living room by the porch. No sooner than they did this, both glass doors broke. We would have all been badly injured had the matresses not been in place. After the doors broke, everyone went up to the upstairs with the wind and seaweed flying past our heads. It was very frightening! The waves were washing through the house as we went up the stairs to the second floor. One of the guests lost his presence of mind and went around breaking the windows in the upstairs. His reasoning was to let the pressure out. My best friend and I huddled in the shower, praying that we would be alright.
We all made it through Hurricane Donna, but with a hefty respect for the weather. My home was seriously damaged, and I remember my aunt having to obtain an SBA loan in order to make the repairs. After than time we went through Hurricane Betsy and Inez, but neither was as severe as Hurricane Donna.
We had two windmills at our home. One watered the lawn, and the other pumped salt water into our swimming pool. After Hurricane Donna both windmills were broken, but one windmill still stands, but is not operable. This I saw upon a visit that I made to the Keys and to my former home. After my aunt died, the home was sold, and I now live in Northwest Arkansas.
Something to think about is when did hurricane seeding go into effect? There was discussion [and still is] that the government had seeded Hurricane Donna, trying to lessen it, but created a monster of a storm. I find it rather strange that when hurricanes are named on the television or radio now, Hurricane Donna is not mentioned as the severe hurricane that she was. Was it because the government has downplayed the "seeding" of Hurricane Donna? Think about it.
Thanks for letting me write here. If you have any comments, my e-mail address is <removed to prevent spam harvesting>.
Article says "it is the only storm to produce hurricane-force winds on every inch of the east coast". However this is surely not true. From the best track ( s:Atlantic hurricane best track):
HRBFL4 NC3 NY3DFL2 CT2 RI2 MA1 NH1 ME1
meaning it brought cat4 winds to SW Florida, Cat3 winds to NC and NY, cat2 winds to NE florida, CT, RI, and cat1 winds to MA NH and ME. Note there is no mention of SC, GA, or VA at all, nor of southeast florida (CFL). Jdorje 04:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
More impact...maybe the personal story quoted above can be of use here (would that be an appropriate thing to add to wikisource?). Jdorje 21:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Usefulness of the table? Andrew was much more intense at landfall than Katrina was. The table ranks most intense hurricanes that also happened to make landfall, but not based on landfall intensity. We should be very clear when ranking landfalling hurricanes, and only use intensity at landfall. Otherwise it's apples and oranges, isn't it? DavidH 06:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
This hurricane was part of the Atlantic hurricane reanalysis project, so all figures will need double-checking with this. Tito xd( ?!?) 23:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
More info in the impact, a preparations section, aftermath section and figure out how to get rid of that whitespace in the storm history section. Storm05 14:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The satellite image that is currently being shown on the main article page is incorrect. This is actually a composited image of Hurricane Alicia (before landfall in Galveston) superimposed over a McIDAS topography grid of Southern Florida. This image was created for a presentation during the 1984 National Hurricane Conference and was intended to represent a "What if" scenario, for a small intense hurricane striking the Florida Keys. Somehow, this image was incorrectly published in the revised edition of the book "Florida Hurricanes & Tropical Storms" as being "Donna".
Besides the fact that I personally attended the 1984 Hurricane Conference and saw this image during the actual presentation, there are a number of other reasons why this cannot be a satellite photo of Donna:
Here is a link to a side-by-side comparisonimage that I put together to show an actual Alicia AVHRR image from a couple of hours after the purported 'Donna' image, compared to the image currently on the main article page.
Unless anyone has a different perspective, I will change the image to good resolution radar photo that actually does show Hurricane Donna.
-- Michael Laca 08:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
NHC responded. It's not Donna, but not Alicia either, apparently. The email response includes a quote from Dr. Pasch from 1998:
"A geostationary satellite photograph, purportedly of Hurricane Donna (1960), is actually one of Hurricane Anita (1977) with altered map graphics."
– Chacor 14:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
-- Michael Laca 21:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)"Mike, Yes, I think you are right -- it does look more like Alicia than Anita. Too late to issue a correction to my review of the book "Florida Hurricanes and Tropical Storms" where I commented on this picture. Far more importantly, the image is definitely NOT one of Hurricane Donna."
More Information About The Destruction Hurricane Donna Made Would Be Nice Including The Total Destruction Of Texas Tower #4 Early Radar Station That Hurricane Donna Ran Directly Over Top Of And Killed Everyone On Board. What Also Would Be Nice Is Where The Texas Tower #4 Location Related To The Track Of Hurricane Donna.
The Locations Of The Towers Were At:
No. 2 - Georges Shoal, in 56-foot deep water,110 miles east of Cape Cod 41°44′N, 67°47′W
No. 3 - Nantucket Shoal, in 80-foot water, 100 miles south-east of Rhode Island 40°45′N, 69°19′W
No. 4 - Unnamed Shoal, in 185-foot water, 84 miles south-east of New York City 39°48′N, 72°40′W
KingSparta 21:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Was Donna the first hurricane photographed from space? If she is not, then the title goes to Hurricane Anna of 1961. Whoever it is deserves a mention of that in their respective article. -- § Hurricane E RIC archive 01:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm close to submitting this article for GA, but am running into a format issue in this page. Any suggestions? Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
A number of refs, additional detail, convert templates, date wikilink removal, and rewriting was required to bring this article up to speed. It should be ready for GA now. Thegreatdr ( talk) 21:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up soon. Dana boomer ( talk) 18:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
There are quite a few little things that need to be done with references, as well as a few minor issues with prose and MOS, so I am putting the article on hold for seven days to give you time to address these. Drop me a note here on the review page or on my talk page if you have any questions. Dana boomer ( talk) 19:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
What about cases where the author and publisher are the same? Thegreatdr ( talk) 17:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I've properly formatted the refs, and removed the information on deaths split between direct and indirect (as this is what I was most worried about not having a source). The other section I mention that doesn't have a source (in the MH section), isn't really controversial, so doesn't need a source now, but it is something to keep on your list of things to do to further improve the article. One other thing would be to make sure that your dollar conversions match up. You have damages in 2008 dollars in the infobox, in 2006 dollars at one point in the impacts section, and in 2005 dollars in one of the charts. Pick a year and standardize them all.
Besides these things, the article looks good, and so I am passing it to GA status. Nice work! Dana boomer ( talk) 20:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Given that 1960 AHS is on GTC right now, this article needs to be improved to maintain its current GA status. Mostly, that would mean that it would pass the current GA standards. This is not meant to slight the existing version of the article - it was good for 2008! We just gotta add some more.
That's what's generally needed. Feel free to add to the list, or help by improving the article. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 14:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Hurricane Donna/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Preps? Aftermath? The SH and impact look good, though. – Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
Last edited at 21:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 18:31, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi:
Why Donna has been downgraded to category 4 when these references HURDAT and Canadian Hurricane Center clearly state that the hurricane reached during a short time the category 5 (too short a time to be indicated on the track in the article)? This has been done by an IP (2601:18a:8280:47c3:510c:4b28:73b:4349) and user Woody Floyd whitout references and you believed it!
Pierre cb ( talk) 16:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)