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This is a bunch of nonsense. "Hunky" is not an ethnic group; all of the ethnicities that fall under the term are keenly aware of their differences and origins. Hungarians self-identify as Hungarians, Croats as Croats, and so on. I suggest a deletion and/or complete re-write. Mihovil 02:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
What's this all about? "Deriving from a rich culture, the people are entrenched in music, food and family." Horrible grammar and incorrect usage. Should be 'derived from' and 'engrossed in' but I can't be bothered to edit someone's embarrassing high-school term-paper prose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Countryroads ( talk • contribs) 16:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Not to be super rude, but since you're calling it "high-school [sic] term-paper [sic] prose", the sentence "Derived from a rich culture, the people are engrossed in music, food and family" bears the rather impressive distinction of being even worse than the first sentence. The whole thing should go for being bizarrely ethnocentric, but perhaps "The Hunky immigrants have preserved many of the cultural traditions of their native lands, placing a strong emphasis on family and their own ethnic food and music" (although these are such platitudes that the sentence should really just go.) 92.78.143.24 ( talk) 15:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
For starters, this is Wikipedia. If you see something wrong, fix it. If you don't want to fix it, walk away. No one is asking you to bother with anything.
However, as to the substance of your statements about the topic, I am from a coal mining community in rural southwestern Pennsylvania, the term "Hunky" has most certainly been used as a pejorative term for workers of Eastern European, and especially Hungarian, descent, for about 100 years. In our area, south of Pittsburgh but just north of West Virginia, we call our communities "patches," so the term, "Patch Hunky" was very much in use in my childhood and I was born in 1965. Many of the people here came from Italy and Eastern Europe to work in the steel mills, coke ovens and coal mines of the greater Pittsburgh area about 1880-1910. The people of "Slavic" background were either called Hunkies or Russians, even if they weren't either. I was an adult before I knew I was half Czech, I had only heard the slurs and misunderstandings before. Maybe you didn't grow up in the region they are speaking of or in the time period they are speaking of, or in the kinds of communities they are speaking of. But I did. As with the "N" word and African-Americans today, sure, people against whom these terms were used, used them for themselves, so Slavic people in the patches called themselves Hunkies, but don't let them catch someone else calling them that. And no one in their right minds would call someone a Patch Hunky to their face. That would cause a multi-family riot, probably lasting for generations, the term was filled with so much revulsion. It is on par with "wop" and "dago" for Italians, or "polacks" for the Polish.
You are also incorrect about it being a historical term. I am a historian, but I also live in the present. It is still used here. The coal mining communities of rural southwestern Pennsylvania are a very backwards place. Some of the actual immigrants and children of the immigrants are still alive here, and they see nothing wrong with calling someone a Hunky, in a pejorative sense - in fact, I think they use it with even more vile now than they did 40 years ago. They look down their noses at Hunkies, and especially at Patch Hunkies, that is the lowest of the Hunkies -- I guess similar to "Mill Hunky" that this article speaks of. So I would have to disagree with your across the board dismissal of this, both professionally as a Historian, and mainly because I lived it and I still live it. Kelelain ( talk) 03:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Hungarians are not Slavic by any means, yet this article sometimes fails to reflect this. - 146.110.50.34 ( talk) 19:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
The slur honky, generally meaning "a white man", is pretty obviously related to hunky (probably originally a variant spelling, cf. monkey, and, for some Americans, donkey), yet it receives no mention in the article. That should be remedied. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 20:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 12:25, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Hunky culture → Hunky – Moving to the site of a former disambiguation page. Marisauna ( talk) 23:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). — Amakuru ( talk) 11:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No general consensus to move. Two editors in previous RM suggested the current title as an adequate name for the article but otherwise there has been no support or opposition for this in the two weeks or so it has been open. ( non-admin closure) Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 20:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Hunky culture → Hunky (ethnic identification) – Although there was unanimous agreement not to rename this to Hunky as a primary topic, the current title is poor, as there is no particular culture that this term identifies. It is a term applied broadly to immigrants from a (loosely defined) geographic region that contains a variety of cultural characteristics. Other possibilities discussed in the previous just-closed RM include Hunky (slur), Hunky (ethnic grouping), Hunky (ethnicity), and Hunky (ethnic slur). I am not proposing to call it a slur since it is apparently not always pejorative. Another possibility is to rename it to Bohunk, since that is apparently an approximately synonymous and more commonly used term and is more unambiguous, but the current article content seems more focused on hunky than bohunk. — BarrelProof ( talk) 17:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 21:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Hunky culture → Hunky (ethnic slur) – I believe we have agreed that the current title is poor, as there is no particular culture that this term identifies. I had suggested Hunky (ethnic identification) in the most recent RM, but Amakuru suggested Hunky (ethnic slur) instead. As a result, the RM was closed as no consensus. After checking with the person who closed the RM to confirm the situation, let's see if we can agree on Amakuru's suggested title. — BarrelProof ( talk) 20:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | On 11 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hunky culture to Hunky (ethnic slur). The result of the discussion was moved. |
This is a bunch of nonsense. "Hunky" is not an ethnic group; all of the ethnicities that fall under the term are keenly aware of their differences and origins. Hungarians self-identify as Hungarians, Croats as Croats, and so on. I suggest a deletion and/or complete re-write. Mihovil 02:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
What's this all about? "Deriving from a rich culture, the people are entrenched in music, food and family." Horrible grammar and incorrect usage. Should be 'derived from' and 'engrossed in' but I can't be bothered to edit someone's embarrassing high-school term-paper prose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Countryroads ( talk • contribs) 16:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Not to be super rude, but since you're calling it "high-school [sic] term-paper [sic] prose", the sentence "Derived from a rich culture, the people are engrossed in music, food and family" bears the rather impressive distinction of being even worse than the first sentence. The whole thing should go for being bizarrely ethnocentric, but perhaps "The Hunky immigrants have preserved many of the cultural traditions of their native lands, placing a strong emphasis on family and their own ethnic food and music" (although these are such platitudes that the sentence should really just go.) 92.78.143.24 ( talk) 15:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
For starters, this is Wikipedia. If you see something wrong, fix it. If you don't want to fix it, walk away. No one is asking you to bother with anything.
However, as to the substance of your statements about the topic, I am from a coal mining community in rural southwestern Pennsylvania, the term "Hunky" has most certainly been used as a pejorative term for workers of Eastern European, and especially Hungarian, descent, for about 100 years. In our area, south of Pittsburgh but just north of West Virginia, we call our communities "patches," so the term, "Patch Hunky" was very much in use in my childhood and I was born in 1965. Many of the people here came from Italy and Eastern Europe to work in the steel mills, coke ovens and coal mines of the greater Pittsburgh area about 1880-1910. The people of "Slavic" background were either called Hunkies or Russians, even if they weren't either. I was an adult before I knew I was half Czech, I had only heard the slurs and misunderstandings before. Maybe you didn't grow up in the region they are speaking of or in the time period they are speaking of, or in the kinds of communities they are speaking of. But I did. As with the "N" word and African-Americans today, sure, people against whom these terms were used, used them for themselves, so Slavic people in the patches called themselves Hunkies, but don't let them catch someone else calling them that. And no one in their right minds would call someone a Patch Hunky to their face. That would cause a multi-family riot, probably lasting for generations, the term was filled with so much revulsion. It is on par with "wop" and "dago" for Italians, or "polacks" for the Polish.
You are also incorrect about it being a historical term. I am a historian, but I also live in the present. It is still used here. The coal mining communities of rural southwestern Pennsylvania are a very backwards place. Some of the actual immigrants and children of the immigrants are still alive here, and they see nothing wrong with calling someone a Hunky, in a pejorative sense - in fact, I think they use it with even more vile now than they did 40 years ago. They look down their noses at Hunkies, and especially at Patch Hunkies, that is the lowest of the Hunkies -- I guess similar to "Mill Hunky" that this article speaks of. So I would have to disagree with your across the board dismissal of this, both professionally as a Historian, and mainly because I lived it and I still live it. Kelelain ( talk) 03:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Hungarians are not Slavic by any means, yet this article sometimes fails to reflect this. - 146.110.50.34 ( talk) 19:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
The slur honky, generally meaning "a white man", is pretty obviously related to hunky (probably originally a variant spelling, cf. monkey, and, for some Americans, donkey), yet it receives no mention in the article. That should be remedied. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 20:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 12:25, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Hunky culture → Hunky – Moving to the site of a former disambiguation page. Marisauna ( talk) 23:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). — Amakuru ( talk) 11:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No general consensus to move. Two editors in previous RM suggested the current title as an adequate name for the article but otherwise there has been no support or opposition for this in the two weeks or so it has been open. ( non-admin closure) Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 20:04, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Hunky culture → Hunky (ethnic identification) – Although there was unanimous agreement not to rename this to Hunky as a primary topic, the current title is poor, as there is no particular culture that this term identifies. It is a term applied broadly to immigrants from a (loosely defined) geographic region that contains a variety of cultural characteristics. Other possibilities discussed in the previous just-closed RM include Hunky (slur), Hunky (ethnic grouping), Hunky (ethnicity), and Hunky (ethnic slur). I am not proposing to call it a slur since it is apparently not always pejorative. Another possibility is to rename it to Bohunk, since that is apparently an approximately synonymous and more commonly used term and is more unambiguous, but the current article content seems more focused on hunky than bohunk. — BarrelProof ( talk) 17:24, 19 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 21:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Mdaniels5757 ( talk • contribs) 21:22, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Hunky culture → Hunky (ethnic slur) – I believe we have agreed that the current title is poor, as there is no particular culture that this term identifies. I had suggested Hunky (ethnic identification) in the most recent RM, but Amakuru suggested Hunky (ethnic slur) instead. As a result, the RM was closed as no consensus. After checking with the person who closed the RM to confirm the situation, let's see if we can agree on Amakuru's suggested title. — BarrelProof ( talk) 20:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)