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I removed material that not only looked like an advertisement, but which also looked like a copyright violation. Geo Swan ( talk) 05:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
A previous version of this article [7] identified Human Appeal International as a charity accused of ties to terrorism. A subsequent edit removed this claim. Should it be reinstated, since it is not certain whether the accusation is true? Please see the list at Charities accused of ties to terrorism. TruthbringerToronto ( Talk | contribs) 11:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I haven't looked at this article in a long time. I see the Guantanamo based terrorism allegations have been removed again, without a meaningful explanation.
I am calling for an explanation now. Geo Swan ( talk) 05:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
On October 8, User:84.92.45.81 deleted nearly all the text in the "Hamas" section. The user's edit summary said: "Removing false information." I reviewed the text he deleted as well as the sources. The information presented in that section, in my assessment, was backed up with satisfactory supporting evidence. I believe the edit was improper and thus, am reverting it. Parvana fattahov ( talk) 13:09, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
On the contrary, this isn't factual. Human Appeal are not banned and have never been banned from Israel and operate there to this day. They run multiple projects in West Bank and Gaza that they would be unable to do without cooperation from Israeli government.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs)
That isn't clear - the Human Appeal International based in UAE could have branches in these countries, seperate from the Human Appeal of this Wikipedia page and as the UK Charity Commission shows there is no evidence that the UAE organisation are linked with this one [1]. Also Human Appeal would not be able to operate in Gaza or West Bank if they were banned by Israel [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs) 12:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Firstly there are a lot of sources being included in this page which refer to either Human Appeal International, an organisation based in UAE or another Human Appeal which is based in Australia - neither of these are the same organisation as Human Appeal. They have similar names. Unfortunately, journalists working for credible news sources have made this mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Human Appeal UK used to be called Human Appeal International, however changed their name (partly to differentiate themselves from the organisation with a similar name in the UAE) Human Appeal International are still running to this day [3] and are completely seperate from the organisation that this wiki page is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
"According to Oborne, Human Appeal’s UK branch claims that it is a “separate organisation to Human Appeal UAE [United Arab Emirates],” to which the Wikileaks and FBI allegations refer. Wrong again. The UK branch’s own website states that they are divisions of the same organisation. The UK and UAE branches’ logos are the same, apart from the translation of the charity's name into Arabic. In any case, the 101 Days Campaign website and the Israeli ban specifically refer to the UK branch.". So - this particular attempt as obsfucation by claiming the UK branch is somehow separate in a meaningful sense has been dealt with by RS. Icewhiz ( talk) 13:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Human_Appeal&oldid=871019611 So this comment, "Please read the source - this is a claim made about a different organisation to Human Appeal. Human Appeal International who are based in the UAE. They are different organisations This is not relevant.)" REALLY has me confused. I DID read the sourced ref and it stated a large section about this. Editor later posts different source refuting, but when you tell us to "read the source" and the sourced material confirms what is said in article, that is a problem?
(from the source; "In leaked cables from the same year published by Wikileaks, the US State Department also accused Human Appeal of providing “financial support to organizations associated with Hamas” and alleged that “members of its field offices in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya had connections to al-Qaeda associates.”
In Britain, Human Appeal co-hosted a July 2011 event at Brent Town Hall in north London with a number of Hamas supporters and hate preachers, including Raed Saleh, who describes Jews as “bacteria” and “monkeys”.
A British court found that Saleh perpetrated the “blood libel” against Jews, claiming that they used the blood of gentile children to bake their bread.
In December of the same year, Human Appeal hosted an event at the extremist East London Mosque with one of Britain’s most notorious hate preachers, Haitham al-Haddad, who says that Jews are the “brethren of swine and pigs”.
In 2012 Human Appeal was banned from using public property, a school in Manchester, for fundraising after an intervention by the Department for Education’s counter-extremism unit.
Mr Moqbel and other MCF figures have been granted security passes for the conference allowing them to mix freely with MPs, ministers and the Prime Minister." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11910236/Terror-link-charity-was-due-to-host-joint-official-reception-with-Tory-party.html" TeeVeeed ( talk) 13:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
As evidenced in the talk sections above, there is clearly no consensus for this edit which furthermore uses an opinion piece by a WP:DAILYMAIL journalist in MEE (unreliable in unreliable). We stick to mainstream WP:RSes. Icewhiz ( talk) 17:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.- which at most reflects Osborne's opinions on the matter. The Telegraph reporting (by Andrew Gilligan as well as another piece by Camilla Turner) - are bona fida articles by a NEWSORG. Icewhiz ( talk) 15:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the better source tag as although the current Guardian reference may only mention the MCF (which Human Appeal is a member of - as mentioned on this article) the Telegraph article it links to and discusses specifically mentions Human Appeal. "in 2009 the Charity Commission had spoken to all the charities accused, except Islamic Relief", "confirmed they weren’t members and had closed the matter." This seems quite clear.
I have added a reference to a previously unsourced award from 2013 and removed the cn tag. I have also removed the ref improve tag as a lot of the fluff, unsourced content and COI edits seems to have already been removed a couple of months ago and been quiet since. The COI tag I will leave up for now (even though most of the content has already been removed and the issue looks to be over for now). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGB158 ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Following my previous edits explained above, I have now also removed the COI tag. It seems the last of the edits was made in December 2018 and all the content has since been removed or reverted. If any questionable are edits are made following this, I will re-add the tag. PGB158 ( talk) 11:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm doing some paid work for Human Appeal, during which they have asked me to review this article and suggest some changes. We've agreed that I won't edit on their behalf.
Done Over the coming weeks, I propose to make several independent suggestions, so that each can be judged on its merits. To start with:
If colleagues would prefer me to draft some wording for the latter points, and post it here, I'm happy to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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I've had no response from user:TeeVeeed or user:Arjayay, so adding {{ Request edit}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Z1720: Apologies for missing your ping; the request was satisfied by recent edits by User:Edwardtheeduard. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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Further to the above, the article currently says:
In 2018, Othman Moqbel was dismissed as chief executive pending investigation. Moqbel says that he plans to appeal.
The judgment in that appeal has now been published ( [22], [23]); and reads in full:
The proceedings are dismissed following a withdrawal of the claim by the claimant.
Please can someone update accordingly? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
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On 22 May, Human Appeal was featured on CNBC's Advancements with Ted Danson. The clip is available on YouTube. Could this be added to the external links section; or by using {{ External media}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Not done per WP:ELNEVER. Video was uploaded to YouTube by Human Appeal, and it is not clear that they own the copyright, nor does YouTube. We also try to limit the external links and should avoid listing media appearances. Z1720 ( talk) 20:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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My contacts at Human Appeal tell me they are still hearing from people who are conflating their organisation with the separate UAE-based organisation also mentioned in the article.
Please can someone make the following changes, to clarify matters:
Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Would somebody like to add to the section on "Supporters" Kate Green MP [1] and Shabana Mahmood MP [2]
References
-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this sentence in a suitable location:
In January 2022, Human Appeal joined with the US humanitarian organisation, [[Globus Relief]] to undertake healthcare projects in northwest Syria and Iraq.<ref>{{cite web |title=Human Appeal UK in partnership with Globus Relief USA - Syrian Arab Republic |url=https://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/human-appeal-uk-partnership-globus-relief-usa |website=[[ReliefWeb]] |access-date=28 January 2022 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=Human Appeal partners with US charity to support Syria and Iraq |url=https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/human-appeal-uk-partners-with-us-charity-to-support-syria-and-iraq.html |website=CivilSociety |access-date=28 January 2022}}</ref>
Note that while the former citation originates with HA, it is reported by ReliefWeb, operated by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA); the second is a straightforward news piece. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please add:
In April 2022, Human Appeal worked with Globus Relief to deliver civilian shelters, together with medical supplies worth £1.5 million, to Ukraine, following the [[2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine|Russian invasion of Ukraine]]. The temporary shelters are to be operated by the [[Ukrainian Muslim Women's League]], a local NGO.<ref>{{cite news |title=Charity to donate £1.5million worth of medical supplies to war-torn Ukraine |first=Yusef |last=Alam |url=https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20101216.human-appeal-donate-1-5million-worth-medical-supplies-war-torn-ukraine/ |access-date=17 May 2022 |work=Bradford Telegraph and Argus }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=UK and US NGOs provide £1.5 million medical delivery inside Ukraine - Ukraine {{!}} ReliefWeb |url=https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/uk-and-us-ngos-provide-15-million-medical-delivery-inside-ukraine |website=ReliefWeb |publisher=[[United Nations]] |access-date=17 May 2022 }}</ref>
My interest in this organisation is declared above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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HA has been shortlisted in the Charity Times Awards 2022, under the "Change Project of the Year" category. Can this be included? My interest in this organisation is declared in this page's archive. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I removed material that not only looked like an advertisement, but which also looked like a copyright violation. Geo Swan ( talk) 05:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
A previous version of this article [7] identified Human Appeal International as a charity accused of ties to terrorism. A subsequent edit removed this claim. Should it be reinstated, since it is not certain whether the accusation is true? Please see the list at Charities accused of ties to terrorism. TruthbringerToronto ( Talk | contribs) 11:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I haven't looked at this article in a long time. I see the Guantanamo based terrorism allegations have been removed again, without a meaningful explanation.
I am calling for an explanation now. Geo Swan ( talk) 05:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
On October 8, User:84.92.45.81 deleted nearly all the text in the "Hamas" section. The user's edit summary said: "Removing false information." I reviewed the text he deleted as well as the sources. The information presented in that section, in my assessment, was backed up with satisfactory supporting evidence. I believe the edit was improper and thus, am reverting it. Parvana fattahov ( talk) 13:09, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
On the contrary, this isn't factual. Human Appeal are not banned and have never been banned from Israel and operate there to this day. They run multiple projects in West Bank and Gaza that they would be unable to do without cooperation from Israeli government.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs)
That isn't clear - the Human Appeal International based in UAE could have branches in these countries, seperate from the Human Appeal of this Wikipedia page and as the UK Charity Commission shows there is no evidence that the UAE organisation are linked with this one [1]. Also Human Appeal would not be able to operate in Gaza or West Bank if they were banned by Israel [2]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs) 12:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Firstly there are a lot of sources being included in this page which refer to either Human Appeal International, an organisation based in UAE or another Human Appeal which is based in Australia - neither of these are the same organisation as Human Appeal. They have similar names. Unfortunately, journalists working for credible news sources have made this mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Human Appeal UK used to be called Human Appeal International, however changed their name (partly to differentiate themselves from the organisation with a similar name in the UAE) Human Appeal International are still running to this day [3] and are completely seperate from the organisation that this wiki page is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CliveMilkychops ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
"According to Oborne, Human Appeal’s UK branch claims that it is a “separate organisation to Human Appeal UAE [United Arab Emirates],” to which the Wikileaks and FBI allegations refer. Wrong again. The UK branch’s own website states that they are divisions of the same organisation. The UK and UAE branches’ logos are the same, apart from the translation of the charity's name into Arabic. In any case, the 101 Days Campaign website and the Israeli ban specifically refer to the UK branch.". So - this particular attempt as obsfucation by claiming the UK branch is somehow separate in a meaningful sense has been dealt with by RS. Icewhiz ( talk) 13:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Human_Appeal&oldid=871019611 So this comment, "Please read the source - this is a claim made about a different organisation to Human Appeal. Human Appeal International who are based in the UAE. They are different organisations This is not relevant.)" REALLY has me confused. I DID read the sourced ref and it stated a large section about this. Editor later posts different source refuting, but when you tell us to "read the source" and the sourced material confirms what is said in article, that is a problem?
(from the source; "In leaked cables from the same year published by Wikileaks, the US State Department also accused Human Appeal of providing “financial support to organizations associated with Hamas” and alleged that “members of its field offices in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Chechnya had connections to al-Qaeda associates.”
In Britain, Human Appeal co-hosted a July 2011 event at Brent Town Hall in north London with a number of Hamas supporters and hate preachers, including Raed Saleh, who describes Jews as “bacteria” and “monkeys”.
A British court found that Saleh perpetrated the “blood libel” against Jews, claiming that they used the blood of gentile children to bake their bread.
In December of the same year, Human Appeal hosted an event at the extremist East London Mosque with one of Britain’s most notorious hate preachers, Haitham al-Haddad, who says that Jews are the “brethren of swine and pigs”.
In 2012 Human Appeal was banned from using public property, a school in Manchester, for fundraising after an intervention by the Department for Education’s counter-extremism unit.
Mr Moqbel and other MCF figures have been granted security passes for the conference allowing them to mix freely with MPs, ministers and the Prime Minister." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11910236/Terror-link-charity-was-due-to-host-joint-official-reception-with-Tory-party.html" TeeVeeed ( talk) 13:13, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
As evidenced in the talk sections above, there is clearly no consensus for this edit which furthermore uses an opinion piece by a WP:DAILYMAIL journalist in MEE (unreliable in unreliable). We stick to mainstream WP:RSes. Icewhiz ( talk) 17:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.- which at most reflects Osborne's opinions on the matter. The Telegraph reporting (by Andrew Gilligan as well as another piece by Camilla Turner) - are bona fida articles by a NEWSORG. Icewhiz ( talk) 15:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the better source tag as although the current Guardian reference may only mention the MCF (which Human Appeal is a member of - as mentioned on this article) the Telegraph article it links to and discusses specifically mentions Human Appeal. "in 2009 the Charity Commission had spoken to all the charities accused, except Islamic Relief", "confirmed they weren’t members and had closed the matter." This seems quite clear.
I have added a reference to a previously unsourced award from 2013 and removed the cn tag. I have also removed the ref improve tag as a lot of the fluff, unsourced content and COI edits seems to have already been removed a couple of months ago and been quiet since. The COI tag I will leave up for now (even though most of the content has already been removed and the issue looks to be over for now). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGB158 ( talk • contribs) 11:15, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Following my previous edits explained above, I have now also removed the COI tag. It seems the last of the edits was made in December 2018 and all the content has since been removed or reverted. If any questionable are edits are made following this, I will re-add the tag. PGB158 ( talk) 11:25, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I'm doing some paid work for Human Appeal, during which they have asked me to review this article and suggest some changes. We've agreed that I won't edit on their behalf.
Done Over the coming weeks, I propose to make several independent suggestions, so that each can be judged on its merits. To start with:
If colleagues would prefer me to draft some wording for the latter points, and post it here, I'm happy to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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I've had no response from user:TeeVeeed or user:Arjayay, so adding {{ Request edit}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Z1720: Apologies for missing your ping; the request was satisfied by recent edits by User:Edwardtheeduard. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Further to the above, the article currently says:
In 2018, Othman Moqbel was dismissed as chief executive pending investigation. Moqbel says that he plans to appeal.
The judgment in that appeal has now been published ( [22], [23]); and reads in full:
The proceedings are dismissed following a withdrawal of the claim by the claimant.
Please can someone update accordingly? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
On 22 May, Human Appeal was featured on CNBC's Advancements with Ted Danson. The clip is available on YouTube. Could this be added to the external links section; or by using {{ External media}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Not done per WP:ELNEVER. Video was uploaded to YouTube by Human Appeal, and it is not clear that they own the copyright, nor does YouTube. We also try to limit the external links and should avoid listing media appearances. Z1720 ( talk) 20:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
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My contacts at Human Appeal tell me they are still hearing from people who are conflating their organisation with the separate UAE-based organisation also mentioned in the article.
Please can someone make the following changes, to clarify matters:
Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered. |
Would somebody like to add to the section on "Supporters" Kate Green MP [1] and Shabana Mahmood MP [2]
References
-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please add this sentence in a suitable location:
In January 2022, Human Appeal joined with the US humanitarian organisation, [[Globus Relief]] to undertake healthcare projects in northwest Syria and Iraq.<ref>{{cite web |title=Human Appeal UK in partnership with Globus Relief USA - Syrian Arab Republic |url=https://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/human-appeal-uk-partnership-globus-relief-usa |website=[[ReliefWeb]] |access-date=28 January 2022 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=Human Appeal partners with US charity to support Syria and Iraq |url=https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/human-appeal-uk-partners-with-us-charity-to-support-syria-and-iraq.html |website=CivilSociety |access-date=28 January 2022}}</ref>
Note that while the former citation originates with HA, it is reported by ReliefWeb, operated by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA); the second is a straightforward news piece. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please add:
In April 2022, Human Appeal worked with Globus Relief to deliver civilian shelters, together with medical supplies worth £1.5 million, to Ukraine, following the [[2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine|Russian invasion of Ukraine]]. The temporary shelters are to be operated by the [[Ukrainian Muslim Women's League]], a local NGO.<ref>{{cite news |title=Charity to donate £1.5million worth of medical supplies to war-torn Ukraine |first=Yusef |last=Alam |url=https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20101216.human-appeal-donate-1-5million-worth-medical-supplies-war-torn-ukraine/ |access-date=17 May 2022 |work=Bradford Telegraph and Argus }}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=UK and US NGOs provide £1.5 million medical delivery inside Ukraine - Ukraine {{!}} ReliefWeb |url=https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/uk-and-us-ngos-provide-15-million-medical-delivery-inside-ukraine |website=ReliefWeb |publisher=[[United Nations]] |access-date=17 May 2022 }}</ref>
My interest in this organisation is declared above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. |
HA has been shortlisted in the Charity Times Awards 2022, under the "Change Project of the Year" category. Can this be included? My interest in this organisation is declared in this page's archive. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)