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Only one source supports the title. A second can't decide if it's the "Hudson River derby" or the "Hudson derby". Most of the sources are about the supporters' brawls, not about the derby. The brawling is covered in the article for Red Bulls and City. Still WP:TOOSOON? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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It's my opinion that the collapsable list provide a cleaner summary when they 1) distinguish wins and draws across the entire row with subtle colours rather than stark colours only in the scores, 2) display only the primary information in a single line and add extraneous details, such as when expanded. Can't imagine anything cleaner than that. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:19, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I posted the below to your talk page to explain. I also used to think that the collapsible boxes were cleaner and easier to read, until I searched around to see other pages. I looked around through different leagues all over the world, and the overwhelmingly majority did not use collapsible boxes, but used a template similar to the one I had. Either they posted home matches side by side, listed them with the score colored, or other variations. Having highlighted collapsible boxes/rows turns the page into a coloring book in my opinion. There's too many colors and too much to scroll through. Similar to the one for the Atlantic Cup (Major League Soccer) you can collapse the overall table to not have to scroll through a ridiculous amount of games/colors. Take a look at some of the examples I listed below and others across the world. Hopefully that will get you to see this is an easier/cleaner format. It's been in this format for a long time until someone randomly changed it a few weeks ago.
You have also made edits to this page in the past while the format I used was there. You didn't say there was anything wrong with it in the past. Why the sudden change of heart?
"I used the template on this page after searching through some of the best derbies in the world, to see which would be the cleanest/easiest to read. With collapsible boxes, readers have to individually click every single game, rather than seeing everything all at once in a simpler format. The format on this page is a mix of other pages I got ideas from. Some derbies that use a similar template: Superclásico, List of El Clásico matches, Merseyside derby." AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 00:19, 25 September 2018 (UTC) contribs) 00:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Take a look at all the pages from these lists of rivalries: List of association football rivalries. AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 00:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC) AmericanSoccer10
@ Walter Görlitz:I didn't mean a literal coloring book. I just meant that since there are lines of color that take up the majority of the screen, that it looks cleaner with smaller boxes that distinguish the same result. Also, I meant favorite derby, as in my friend and I who helped with the format. AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 00:30, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
31Aug2018 version
NYCFC Win Draw Red Bulls Win Upcoming fixture
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3–2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1–1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4–0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
Proposed muted version
NYCFC Win Draw Red Bulls Win Upcoming fixture
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3–2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1–1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4–0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3–2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1–1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4–0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3 – 2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1 – 1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4 – 0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
No. | Date | Competition | Venue | Home Team | Score | Away Team | Goalscorers | Attendance | Box Score |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1. | May 10, 2015 | MLS | Red Bull Arena | New York Red Bulls | 2–1 | New York City FC | (H)
Wright-Phillips (2) (A) Mullins |
25,217 | [1] |
AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 01:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
References
So far there's only one and it is a preseason match. The 401 Derby also had one and I'm aware the Reb Bulls has one with D.C. United with another one on the way. Out of curiosity, should we add them to the stats but outside of competitions (not counting as them in such case but counting them in all the matches)? 20chances ( talk) 09:41, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Hudson River Derby → Hudson River derby – Articles throughout Wikipedia are stylized in a way where "derby" and "rivalry" are lowercase (i.e. Manchester derby, M69 derby, Cavalry FC–Forge FC rivalry. Changing the name to have "derby" lowercase would match that formatting. Rylesbourne ( talk) 17:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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On 23 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Hudson River derby. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Only one source supports the title. A second can't decide if it's the "Hudson River derby" or the "Hudson derby". Most of the sources are about the supporters' brawls, not about the derby. The brawling is covered in the article for Red Bulls and City. Still WP:TOOSOON? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 14:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
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It's my opinion that the collapsable list provide a cleaner summary when they 1) distinguish wins and draws across the entire row with subtle colours rather than stark colours only in the scores, 2) display only the primary information in a single line and add extraneous details, such as when expanded. Can't imagine anything cleaner than that. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:19, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I posted the below to your talk page to explain. I also used to think that the collapsible boxes were cleaner and easier to read, until I searched around to see other pages. I looked around through different leagues all over the world, and the overwhelmingly majority did not use collapsible boxes, but used a template similar to the one I had. Either they posted home matches side by side, listed them with the score colored, or other variations. Having highlighted collapsible boxes/rows turns the page into a coloring book in my opinion. There's too many colors and too much to scroll through. Similar to the one for the Atlantic Cup (Major League Soccer) you can collapse the overall table to not have to scroll through a ridiculous amount of games/colors. Take a look at some of the examples I listed below and others across the world. Hopefully that will get you to see this is an easier/cleaner format. It's been in this format for a long time until someone randomly changed it a few weeks ago.
You have also made edits to this page in the past while the format I used was there. You didn't say there was anything wrong with it in the past. Why the sudden change of heart?
"I used the template on this page after searching through some of the best derbies in the world, to see which would be the cleanest/easiest to read. With collapsible boxes, readers have to individually click every single game, rather than seeing everything all at once in a simpler format. The format on this page is a mix of other pages I got ideas from. Some derbies that use a similar template: Superclásico, List of El Clásico matches, Merseyside derby." AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 00:19, 25 September 2018 (UTC) contribs) 00:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Take a look at all the pages from these lists of rivalries: List of association football rivalries. AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 00:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC) AmericanSoccer10
@ Walter Görlitz:I didn't mean a literal coloring book. I just meant that since there are lines of color that take up the majority of the screen, that it looks cleaner with smaller boxes that distinguish the same result. Also, I meant favorite derby, as in my friend and I who helped with the format. AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 00:30, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
31Aug2018 version
NYCFC Win Draw Red Bulls Win Upcoming fixture
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3–2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1–1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4–0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
Proposed muted version
NYCFC Win Draw Red Bulls Win Upcoming fixture
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3–2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1–1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4–0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3–2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1–1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4–0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
August 6, 2017 MLS | New York City FC | 3 – 2 | New York Red Bulls | Bronx, New York |
6:00 PM EDT |
Moralez 7' David Villa 28', 72', 75' ( pen.), 82' |
Report |
Royer 6' Wright-Phillips 41', 64' Zizzo 75' 90' Perrinelle 76' |
Stadium:
Yankee Stadium Attendance: 33,679 Referee: Baldomero Toledo |
August 25, 2017 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 1 – 1 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
7:00 PM EDT |
Lawrence 35' Verón 70' ( pen.) |
Report |
Ring 19' Wallace 43' Moralez 56' |
Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Jair Marrufo |
May 5, 2018 MLS | New York Red Bulls | 4 – 0 | New York City FC | Harrison, New Jersey |
1:55 PM EDT |
Gamarra 2' Valot 4' Wright-Phillips 35' Parker 75' Etienne 79' |
Report | Ofori 64' | Stadium:
Red Bull Arena Attendance: 25,219 Referee: Kevin Stott |
No. | Date | Competition | Venue | Home Team | Score | Away Team | Goalscorers | Attendance | Box Score |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1. | May 10, 2015 | MLS | Red Bull Arena | New York Red Bulls | 2–1 | New York City FC | (H)
Wright-Phillips (2) (A) Mullins |
25,217 | [1] |
AmericanSoccer10 ( talk) 01:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
References
So far there's only one and it is a preseason match. The 401 Derby also had one and I'm aware the Reb Bulls has one with D.C. United with another one on the way. Out of curiosity, should we add them to the stats but outside of competitions (not counting as them in such case but counting them in all the matches)? 20chances ( talk) 09:41, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 18:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Hudson River Derby → Hudson River derby – Articles throughout Wikipedia are stylized in a way where "derby" and "rivalry" are lowercase (i.e. Manchester derby, M69 derby, Cavalry FC–Forge FC rivalry. Changing the name to have "derby" lowercase would match that formatting. Rylesbourne ( talk) 17:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)