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I would question that KV62 is unplundered. Markh 11:19, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I think it's irresponsible to not make mention of the questionable ethics involved in the colonialist British policy of ransacking Egypt's historical burial sites in general, not to mention the multiple controversies that surround Howard Carter specifically. To quote Dr. Christian Loeben, an Egyptologist at the August Kestner museum in Hanover, Germany, "All objects from the tomb should be in Egypt, and if they're not in Egypt, they didn't get out legally" [1]. Carter was an eager participant in this Western grave-robbing fad, violating even what little law was in place to protect these sites. "A little-known document written by a member of Carter's team, Alfred Lucas, in 1947 claimed that Carter knocked a hole into the doorway linking the antechamber to the actual burial chamber, and illegally entered it without waiting for Egyptian officials" [2].
In addition, Howard Carter was caught on a number of occasions stealing or attempting to steal artifacts from the various sites for his own personal possession and use. Carter and his compatriot, the Earl of Carnarvon, "gave a clasp that showed the pharaoh on a war chariot as a present to Egyptian King Fouad I, for example. American oil baron Edward Harkness received a gold ring" [3]. There is evidence that the looting and historical damage goes beyond what history has recorded: "Doubts about Carter's methods are not new but the debate keeps resurfacing with the discovery of Tutankhamen artefacts in museum collections around the world. This, Egyptologists claim, suggests that they were secretly brought out of Egypt by Carter or members of his team" [4]. In additioning to the multiple incidents of material losses, it is a real tragedy that "experts claim that his actions did lasting damage to research into ancient Egypt, because it will never be reliably known what the tomb looked like when he found it" [5].
It is also worth noting the fascinating fact that Carter "never went to university and taught himself Egyptian and hieroglyphics" [6].
I'm also posting this in the KV62 talk section. SymWebb ( talk) 07:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
References
I saw a NatGeoTV documentary where, as far as I remember, the search for the tomb of Tutankhamun has lasted 6 years. In the article it says 'few months' - might be that I am wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.144.216.154 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 7 March 2006 no it did last 6 years —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.119.176 ( talk) 22:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
What's up with the Ashmol site ( http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/)? It appears to be offline, which is very unfortunate because three of the four external links are on this site. And where are the references? As of now, this Wikipedia article has no references for the material here save for the books listed. The only other external link is just about Howard Carter's grave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greevous ( talk • contribs) 00:37, 2 October 2006
I have just read an article in the Eastern Daily Press about Howard Carter 26.03.2007 that states Carter was born in Swaffham not Kensington ,London.The town of Swaffham is very proud of its link with Carter and is devoting large area of its museum to him .We will have to clear up this confusion of his birth place. Northmetpit 12:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I have just come back from Thebes and the picture of the Howard Carter house in this article seems to be incorrect. The local Egyptians were conviced it was a house nearby, surrounded by trees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluffball70 ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 29 January 2007
There are 3 pictures in this article, which is in my opinion a little much for the size of this article, and not one of them is of Carter himself. It seems ridiculous to me to have this many pictures on such a short article and not have one of himself - no matter how relevant the current pictures are. I suggest removing the pictures of "KV62" and "Tutankhamun's tomb" as those pictures can already be found in their respective articles, and finding a picture of Carter himself. Anyone agree? -- Kurotsyn 23:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I read somewhere in a history book that a snake ate his canary. I don;t know how it is relevant but the book made it seem iconic. Any thoughts on adding something in? Reginmund 05:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
In the early 1920's the frequency of King Tut's. tomb was discovered by Howard Carter. Howard Carter is an archeologist also an Egyptologist. He was inspired by his father 'John Frawly Beckham Vincent Brumby Malinga Lee Carter'. So Howard Carter's real names is 'Howard John Frawly Beckham Vincent Brumby Malinga Lee Carter'. The discovery of King Tut's tomb was a draw of luck. One of his helpers(workers) had fell from walking in the heet of the deserts of Egypt. It did not feel xlike a rock so Howard and his men started digging. Then finally Howard's hard work had finally paided off he had found what he was looking for. The Tomb of Tutanhkansetamun. He was known as the world's best archeologist and Egyptologist of the year for achieving what he wanted. After six expeditions success struck. It was nothing but luck. He soon passed away when he reached the age of 64. He is remembered today as the discoverer of King Tutanhkansetamun.
Howards last words were "King Tutanhkansetamun's death was sudden and it shall remain a mystery"
Written by: Fazan Jazoor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.114.220 ( talk • contribs) 11:07, 16 October 2007
The article says "After a few months of fruitless searching" he found the tomb. Isn't that several years of fruitless searching? Riordanmr ( talk) 19:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
After watching a BBC documentary about the discovery of Tutankhamun I realised the influence of the archeologist Sir Leonard Woolley should be included in the article as according to the programme he suggested to search in the dig site which led to its discovery. HappyWanderer ( talk) 12:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Restored the external links from before, and removed the phrase 'That is so stupid' which had no place in the text. Pikle ( talk) 14:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the additional sentence on his gravestone should be added "Egyptologist, discoverer of the tomb of Tutankhamun, 1922"
Ref: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GRid=3665&PIgrid=3665&PIcrid=658430&PIpi=291612& 94.222.128.95 ( talk) 21:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved.-- RegentsPark ( sticks and stones) 19:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
This appears to be a straightforward case of WP:PRIME, but I thought it would be a good idea to get some opinions first. The archaeologist is world-reknowned as the man responsible for the discovery of Tutankamun; the other two Howard Carters listed on the Howard Carter page (used as a disambiguation page) are a basketball player who doesn't seem very well known and a founder member of the Assemblies of God Church. Assuming last month was unexceptional in terms of visitor numbers, here's some quick evidence that most readers are after the archaeologist:
From this, I think it's reasonable to draw the conclusion that most of the people who end up at Howard Carter are looking for the man who popularised Egyptology.
If this article was to be moved to the new title of "Howard Carter", the current Howard Carter page would need to become a disambiguation page. Nev1 ( talk) 17:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Though there's a redirect already in place, I've wikilinked and changed 'Tell el Amarna' to Amarna to be consistent with the usage and explanation here. Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 08:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
There was a recent edit that changed affray to affair in the sentence about the Saqqara Affair (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Howard_Carter&oldid=491536484 ). I only discovered this when I was trying to figure out what the Saqqara Affair was all about (and saw the more descriptive affray in earlier versions of the article quoted elsewhere). I think affray is a better word choice (once I found the definition -- note: affray should be linked to associated article if its rightful place in the article is restored). Thoughts? -- Jhfrontz ( talk) 18:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I thought wikipedia was open for everyone to edit. Silly users! =) 174.19.142.36 ( talk) 19:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Please can someone locate a source for cause of death as lymphoma? I have been unable to find a source quoting this so far. The current NYT source does not mention cause of death, only date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.9.101 ( talk) 21:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Carter's diary entry for Nov 26, 1922 gives his reply to Carnarvon as "Yes, it is wonderful" rather than the oft-quoted "yes, wonderful things!".
https://web.archive.org/web/20070630024020/http://griffith.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/gri/4sea1not.html
Is there any indication that the later version is correct? 73.149.246.232 ( talk) 04:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
At the beginning of the article it is written that Carter discovered Tutanchamon’s tomb. It MUST be written that he discovered it TOGETHER with Lord Carnarvon. I have noticed that the name Carnarvon doesn’t appear so often when the subject Tutanchamon is discussed. It is wrong and we must remember Lord Carnarvon as well. Without him Carter wouldn’t be there and wouldn’t discover anything.
It was actually the water boy that discovered it (as stated later in the article). Jame5 07961 ( talk) 18:53, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Today he would surely be Sir Howard Carter (or maybe even Lord Carter of Wherever). Do reliable sources have anything to say about this? Such as that perhaps it was not normal to knight people for that sort of thing in those days, or that the British Royal Family perhaps disliked people who opened Royal tombs, or that perhaps the establishment feared knighting him might draw the mummy's curse on them, or feared that it might cause anti-British sentiment and unrest among any Egyptians who saw him as a foreign tomb-robber, or that the mummy's curse stuff had perhaps made him unpopular among ordinary Britons, or that his later attempt, currently unmentioned in the article (but mentioned in Ella Al-Shamahi's recent Channel 4 TV programme (Tutankhamun: Secrets of the tomb), to raise money to look for Alexander the Great's tomb in Alexandria (implausibly, as Alexander died in Babylon) perhaps damaged his credibility, or because he was a loner or difficult to befriend or hot-tempered or thought to possibly be gay, or because British racists and/or francophiles could never forgive him for siding with the Egyptians against the French over the Saqqara affair in 1905, or because of criticisms already found in this Talk section such as here and here, or whatever? Al-Shamahi's programme makes clear that he received little honour in his lifetime,but doesn't really say why, and all we currently say on the subject is that interest in Tut declined over time, and we mention the Saqqara affair and that he was a loner or difficult to befriend or hot-tempered or thought to possibly be gay, but without giving these as reasons for his lack of honours. Tlhslobus ( talk) 20:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
says a headline in The Guardian. [1] User:A. Parrot this might interest you. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
There has been some confusion about Howard Carter's birthplace. A quick Google search shows that some sources state Kensington and some state Swaffham, Norfolk. Obviously, these can't all be correct. Certain sources explain why this confusion is common. Here are several that state that he was born in Kensington, which when combined is the reason why I am restoring the status quo to Kensington.
It appears that the confusion is caused by him being born in Kensington and then being moved in early childhood to Swaffham. Fieryninja ( talk) 19:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
How did he die 77.103.161.235 ( talk) 08:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
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I would question that KV62 is unplundered. Markh 11:19, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I think it's irresponsible to not make mention of the questionable ethics involved in the colonialist British policy of ransacking Egypt's historical burial sites in general, not to mention the multiple controversies that surround Howard Carter specifically. To quote Dr. Christian Loeben, an Egyptologist at the August Kestner museum in Hanover, Germany, "All objects from the tomb should be in Egypt, and if they're not in Egypt, they didn't get out legally" [1]. Carter was an eager participant in this Western grave-robbing fad, violating even what little law was in place to protect these sites. "A little-known document written by a member of Carter's team, Alfred Lucas, in 1947 claimed that Carter knocked a hole into the doorway linking the antechamber to the actual burial chamber, and illegally entered it without waiting for Egyptian officials" [2].
In addition, Howard Carter was caught on a number of occasions stealing or attempting to steal artifacts from the various sites for his own personal possession and use. Carter and his compatriot, the Earl of Carnarvon, "gave a clasp that showed the pharaoh on a war chariot as a present to Egyptian King Fouad I, for example. American oil baron Edward Harkness received a gold ring" [3]. There is evidence that the looting and historical damage goes beyond what history has recorded: "Doubts about Carter's methods are not new but the debate keeps resurfacing with the discovery of Tutankhamen artefacts in museum collections around the world. This, Egyptologists claim, suggests that they were secretly brought out of Egypt by Carter or members of his team" [4]. In additioning to the multiple incidents of material losses, it is a real tragedy that "experts claim that his actions did lasting damage to research into ancient Egypt, because it will never be reliably known what the tomb looked like when he found it" [5].
It is also worth noting the fascinating fact that Carter "never went to university and taught himself Egyptian and hieroglyphics" [6].
I'm also posting this in the KV62 talk section. SymWebb ( talk) 07:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
References
I saw a NatGeoTV documentary where, as far as I remember, the search for the tomb of Tutankhamun has lasted 6 years. In the article it says 'few months' - might be that I am wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.144.216.154 ( talk • contribs) 23:28, 7 March 2006 no it did last 6 years —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.119.176 ( talk) 22:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
What's up with the Ashmol site ( http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/)? It appears to be offline, which is very unfortunate because three of the four external links are on this site. And where are the references? As of now, this Wikipedia article has no references for the material here save for the books listed. The only other external link is just about Howard Carter's grave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greevous ( talk • contribs) 00:37, 2 October 2006
I have just read an article in the Eastern Daily Press about Howard Carter 26.03.2007 that states Carter was born in Swaffham not Kensington ,London.The town of Swaffham is very proud of its link with Carter and is devoting large area of its museum to him .We will have to clear up this confusion of his birth place. Northmetpit 12:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I have just come back from Thebes and the picture of the Howard Carter house in this article seems to be incorrect. The local Egyptians were conviced it was a house nearby, surrounded by trees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fluffball70 ( talk • contribs) 15:59, 29 January 2007
There are 3 pictures in this article, which is in my opinion a little much for the size of this article, and not one of them is of Carter himself. It seems ridiculous to me to have this many pictures on such a short article and not have one of himself - no matter how relevant the current pictures are. I suggest removing the pictures of "KV62" and "Tutankhamun's tomb" as those pictures can already be found in their respective articles, and finding a picture of Carter himself. Anyone agree? -- Kurotsyn 23:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I read somewhere in a history book that a snake ate his canary. I don;t know how it is relevant but the book made it seem iconic. Any thoughts on adding something in? Reginmund 05:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
In the early 1920's the frequency of King Tut's. tomb was discovered by Howard Carter. Howard Carter is an archeologist also an Egyptologist. He was inspired by his father 'John Frawly Beckham Vincent Brumby Malinga Lee Carter'. So Howard Carter's real names is 'Howard John Frawly Beckham Vincent Brumby Malinga Lee Carter'. The discovery of King Tut's tomb was a draw of luck. One of his helpers(workers) had fell from walking in the heet of the deserts of Egypt. It did not feel xlike a rock so Howard and his men started digging. Then finally Howard's hard work had finally paided off he had found what he was looking for. The Tomb of Tutanhkansetamun. He was known as the world's best archeologist and Egyptologist of the year for achieving what he wanted. After six expeditions success struck. It was nothing but luck. He soon passed away when he reached the age of 64. He is remembered today as the discoverer of King Tutanhkansetamun.
Howards last words were "King Tutanhkansetamun's death was sudden and it shall remain a mystery"
Written by: Fazan Jazoor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.114.220 ( talk • contribs) 11:07, 16 October 2007
The article says "After a few months of fruitless searching" he found the tomb. Isn't that several years of fruitless searching? Riordanmr ( talk) 19:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
After watching a BBC documentary about the discovery of Tutankhamun I realised the influence of the archeologist Sir Leonard Woolley should be included in the article as according to the programme he suggested to search in the dig site which led to its discovery. HappyWanderer ( talk) 12:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Restored the external links from before, and removed the phrase 'That is so stupid' which had no place in the text. Pikle ( talk) 14:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I think the additional sentence on his gravestone should be added "Egyptologist, discoverer of the tomb of Tutankhamun, 1922"
Ref: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pis&GRid=3665&PIgrid=3665&PIcrid=658430&PIpi=291612& 94.222.128.95 ( talk) 21:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved.-- RegentsPark ( sticks and stones) 19:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
This appears to be a straightforward case of WP:PRIME, but I thought it would be a good idea to get some opinions first. The archaeologist is world-reknowned as the man responsible for the discovery of Tutankamun; the other two Howard Carters listed on the Howard Carter page (used as a disambiguation page) are a basketball player who doesn't seem very well known and a founder member of the Assemblies of God Church. Assuming last month was unexceptional in terms of visitor numbers, here's some quick evidence that most readers are after the archaeologist:
From this, I think it's reasonable to draw the conclusion that most of the people who end up at Howard Carter are looking for the man who popularised Egyptology.
If this article was to be moved to the new title of "Howard Carter", the current Howard Carter page would need to become a disambiguation page. Nev1 ( talk) 17:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Though there's a redirect already in place, I've wikilinked and changed 'Tell el Amarna' to Amarna to be consistent with the usage and explanation here. Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 08:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
There was a recent edit that changed affray to affair in the sentence about the Saqqara Affair (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Howard_Carter&oldid=491536484 ). I only discovered this when I was trying to figure out what the Saqqara Affair was all about (and saw the more descriptive affray in earlier versions of the article quoted elsewhere). I think affray is a better word choice (once I found the definition -- note: affray should be linked to associated article if its rightful place in the article is restored). Thoughts? -- Jhfrontz ( talk) 18:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I thought wikipedia was open for everyone to edit. Silly users! =) 174.19.142.36 ( talk) 19:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Please can someone locate a source for cause of death as lymphoma? I have been unable to find a source quoting this so far. The current NYT source does not mention cause of death, only date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.9.101 ( talk) 21:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Carter's diary entry for Nov 26, 1922 gives his reply to Carnarvon as "Yes, it is wonderful" rather than the oft-quoted "yes, wonderful things!".
https://web.archive.org/web/20070630024020/http://griffith.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/gri/4sea1not.html
Is there any indication that the later version is correct? 73.149.246.232 ( talk) 04:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
At the beginning of the article it is written that Carter discovered Tutanchamon’s tomb. It MUST be written that he discovered it TOGETHER with Lord Carnarvon. I have noticed that the name Carnarvon doesn’t appear so often when the subject Tutanchamon is discussed. It is wrong and we must remember Lord Carnarvon as well. Without him Carter wouldn’t be there and wouldn’t discover anything.
It was actually the water boy that discovered it (as stated later in the article). Jame5 07961 ( talk) 18:53, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
Today he would surely be Sir Howard Carter (or maybe even Lord Carter of Wherever). Do reliable sources have anything to say about this? Such as that perhaps it was not normal to knight people for that sort of thing in those days, or that the British Royal Family perhaps disliked people who opened Royal tombs, or that perhaps the establishment feared knighting him might draw the mummy's curse on them, or feared that it might cause anti-British sentiment and unrest among any Egyptians who saw him as a foreign tomb-robber, or that the mummy's curse stuff had perhaps made him unpopular among ordinary Britons, or that his later attempt, currently unmentioned in the article (but mentioned in Ella Al-Shamahi's recent Channel 4 TV programme (Tutankhamun: Secrets of the tomb), to raise money to look for Alexander the Great's tomb in Alexandria (implausibly, as Alexander died in Babylon) perhaps damaged his credibility, or because he was a loner or difficult to befriend or hot-tempered or thought to possibly be gay, or because British racists and/or francophiles could never forgive him for siding with the Egyptians against the French over the Saqqara affair in 1905, or because of criticisms already found in this Talk section such as here and here, or whatever? Al-Shamahi's programme makes clear that he received little honour in his lifetime,but doesn't really say why, and all we currently say on the subject is that interest in Tut declined over time, and we mention the Saqqara affair and that he was a loner or difficult to befriend or hot-tempered or thought to possibly be gay, but without giving these as reasons for his lack of honours. Tlhslobus ( talk) 20:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
says a headline in The Guardian. [1] User:A. Parrot this might interest you. Doug Weller talk 14:22, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
There has been some confusion about Howard Carter's birthplace. A quick Google search shows that some sources state Kensington and some state Swaffham, Norfolk. Obviously, these can't all be correct. Certain sources explain why this confusion is common. Here are several that state that he was born in Kensington, which when combined is the reason why I am restoring the status quo to Kensington.
It appears that the confusion is caused by him being born in Kensington and then being moved in early childhood to Swaffham. Fieryninja ( talk) 19:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
How did he die 77.103.161.235 ( talk) 08:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)