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It reads more like a "lifestyle" story from a weekend magazine than an encyclopedia article. There's no real defintion of the sausage (i.e. what parts of animals it's made of, how it is made, etc), there's no history before it came to America (or indeed outside of USA after 1904). Maybe an extended intro would do the trick? Zocky 01:44, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
If I may also add, focus has been placed higher on condiments accompanying the hot dog, than on the hot dog itself. Perhaps to break out all the condiments talk into a separate subhead, and the ketchup debate subordinate to the condiments subsection. In any case information in the "Preparation and basic variations" section could be broken out into more clearly defined sections. Its a hodge-podge at best right now. -- SFDan 05:22, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
It might also be time to spin the whole regional variation section into a new article, perhaps.(?) Youngamerican 12:51, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
I am likely going to be researching and making a project of this page over the next few days (i've worked on the Coney Island links and this is a natural progression). I have been plagued by slow response time on Wikipedia, which has been driving me crazy. I don't believe regional variations needs its own page, it works where it's at as long as the rest of the stuff comports. The Ketchup debate -- however -- belongs on the discussion page.
Jtmichcock
In the United Kingdom "hot dogs" are available made with regional British sausages.[citation needed] Howevever, such sandwiches made with British sausages different from frankfurters are arguably not true hot dogs. In addition, a hot dog sausage is always pre-cooked at the factory before packaging, which is generally not true of such regional British sausages.
But what is a true hot dog? Kosher hot-dogs are mentioned, but surely they are not "true" hot dog? At what point does a hot dog become true? Whitstable ( talk) 16:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Hot dog is a term coined in the USA that refers to a pre-cooked sausage with certain flavor characteristics. Kosher hot dogs are true hot dogs, they taste like hot dogs, they look like hot dogs, and no one differs on this. This is not an article about generic sausages in buns. For that, start a new page. -- Zeamays 14:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking, maybe we should split this into Frankfurter for the sausage and Hot dog for the sandwich, heavily interlinked of course? The current text from Frankfurter could go to Frankfurter (dissambiguation). Zocky 10:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Let me explain my thinking: Frankfurtes are popular sausages in Europe, but (at least in Central Europe and the Balkans) they're usually not eaten in a sandwich, which most people take "hot dog" to mean, but rather on a plate, with mustard and a slice of bread.
I'd suspect that in most of the world where frankfurters are eaten, the sandwiched sort is not its main usage, so the article on the sausage should mostly not concentrate on the sandwich. OTOH, hot dog as a sandwich is obviously an important element in American cuisine and it's popular all over the world, so it clearly deserves its own article.
I think solipsist provides reasonable argumentation for the use of the words "hot dog" and "frankfurter" above. I'm just not sure if there's anything else at Frankfurter that is really called just "frankfurter", so I'd still put the dissambiguation page at the longer title. Zocky 13:10, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I concur with a split; was thinking of it just looking at the article. We should have Hot dog(sandwich) for the sandwich which in the UK at least normally contains a sausage that is NOT a frankfurter, and Hot dog(sausage) or frankfurter for the sausage itself that the current article claims is the norm in the sandwich in the US. M0ffx 16:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
My addition of Category:St. Louis cuisine was rv-ed by Pharmboy on January 25, 2008.
My edit reasoning: The Hot Dog on a bun is often credited as having been invented and/or first sold at the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair, though the true geographic origin of that now common pairing is admittedly likely never to be proven 100%. I felt that, accordingly, it could be listed as a part of the St. Louis Cuisine category. This is not intended to be limiting, of course. Chicago, New York and other cities can claim this as a part of their cuisine as well, due to their unique take on the foodstuff. Ultimately, something as ubiquitous in American (and global) culture as a hot dog may not belong segregated to one city's (or a handful of cities') cuisine categories. Then again, certain cities, such as St. Louis, have played a significant role in Hot Dog history.
I prefer (and Support) inclusion, but defer to the democratic nature of the talk page. Roscoestl ( talk) 20:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I would disagree with adding hot dog to any city or state cuisine cats, but I wouldn't have a prob with an article on St. Louis hot dogs (or something like that) if it could be well-sourced and meet all inclusion guidelines. y'amer'can ( wtf?) 16:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding different variations of hotdogs, I'd like to address the "Hollywood Hotdog".
In Hollywood, CA, often outside of late night venues you will find street vendors selling hotdogs on rollaway grills. These hotdogs include grilled onion, red and green peppers, bacon wrapped hotdogs, ketchup, mustard, mayo, and the optional jalapeno. I haven't been informed if a hotdog like this is offered anywhere else.
We've all heard of a Chicago hotdog, but I've never heard of anyone mention the Hollywood hotdog so I'd thought I'd give it a shoutout and coin it's name. =)
does this article even say what animal parts make a hot dog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.134.113 ( talk) 13:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Hot dogs taste very good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.134.254 ( talk) 15:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
the sausage bun is a Hong Kong variant of the ubiquitous hot dog, and is recognised as such in any other part of the world. There is nothing new in the concept of putting a piece of bread around a sausage, and the name is pretty generic and meaningless to anyone else, including in Hong Kong. Ohconfucius ( talk) 08:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
There was an edit explaining the origin of the word "Hot Dog". I changed it to the one described (as legend) by the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council here. If anyone has any further info about the origin of the name, have a go. -- Nuffle 19:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I did some work on it and some digging, left the myth/urban legend there since it's very popular. It's kind of absurd anyway, that a cartoonist wouldn't have a dictionary or check his spelling and totally make up a word where people might even know what it is.
Also something of note, it has been suggested on several sources that a large driving factor to the name change had to do with anti-german feelings around that time and WW1, which led to the name change from the more popular (german word) frankfurter as prior to that it was kind of seen more as slang or a seldom-used nickname that has roots from the '30s where companies allegedly used dog meat in sausage. It later lost that negative connection though.
Kind of like modern day French fries/Freedom fries in the US, but I've been unable to find a particulary reliable source and might not really be that important to include anyway... and might just be an urban legend/myth in the making ;) Oogles 23:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The two pictures of hot dogs are very nice (one with mayonnaise and one with ketchup), but I expected to see a nice line of yellow mustard instead. Isn't that the most common condiment used on a hot dog? 68.45.122.185 07:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
tube steaks - I've never heard them refered to by this name. Where'd you year this?
Also: We sould mention Harry Caray's idea about cloning hot dogs. -- DanielCD 03:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
People who absolutely insist that a hot dog can only be served with mustard tend to think that the only way to do things is THEIR way. Ketchup users tend to be more laid back about the matter- maybe the notion that ketchup contains "Natural Mellowing Agents" has some validity LOL. -- Saxophobia 02:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
World's longest hotdog at 20m created February 25th 2006 at Curtin University in Perth. [1] Nachoman-au 12:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I decided to be bold and spin off the regional variations chart into it's own article. It's at Hot dog variations. A table like that really needs to be in its own article. It was literally bigger than the rest of the article put together. I did add a link to the new page under "See also". -- Woohookitty (cat scratches) 11:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The hot dog (not frankfurter) was widely eaten as a street food in England. (Though its popularity may have been eclipsed by the kebab). -- Beardo 06:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Removed this part from the history of the hot dog:
That needs, at the least, some kind of direct citation and justification. We are saying that hot dog buns predate hot dogs in NYC by 20 or so years? Sounds like a soap opera plot: "A lonely bun in quest of a hot dog." If what we mean is that long soft rolls were baked in NYC then, that is not so remarkable. When this kind of sausage was first placed in such a roll is what would be significant. -- Cecropia 15:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it depends entirely if the person who wrote that meant a hot dog bun or a bun that would have been named a hot dog bun. In the 1880s, it would have been called a dog bun or frank/sausage bun. Still seems doubtful the bun was made then, but could be. Oogles 23:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
... ... Barry Popik here. Ignatz Frıschmann was widely credited for the "hot dog bun" in 1904 obituaries for him. These should not go without mention here. The evidence is more solid than many other histories about the hot dog: http://www.barrypopik.com/article/87/hot-dog-roll —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.99.180.131 ( talk • contribs) .
This article on the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council’s website states that there are people who assert that the hot dog was created in the late 1600's by Johann Georghehner, a butcher, living in Coburg, Germany. This is what is currently quoted in the article.
This article, however, states that “Although there is no exact documentation of where the first emulsion-type sausage was produced, there are some indications that it was done by the Vienna sausage producer, Johann Georg Lahner, in 1805.”
So it looks like either a) one of them has got it wrong (and mis-spelt the name), b) there were two butchers over a century apart with remarkably similar names who both laid claim to the invention, or c) there’s no evidence either way and they are both just versions of a legend.
Personally I reckon the Hot Dog Council have got it wrong, purely on the basis that the name Georghehner sounds like a mistake. Can anyone shed light on this? -- Spondoolicks 14:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
If you have verifiable information that contradicts what's there, you should feel free to fix it. Make sure you links connect the new data with the cite. Jtmichcock 14:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Ask Yahoo has weighed in on how the hot dog got its name. Jtmichcock 11:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Source? it says "most of the US" so what part of the US is this not the most commonly heard term and what is the source either way. Seems flaky. Removing this in a few days if no objections or no sources. Oogles 22:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
can anyone shed light on why mcdonalds, burger king, wendy's, etc. do not carry hot dogs? --- 152.3.194.147 22:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
If someone can actually come up with a link to the bylaw that states that only hot dogs may be sold as street food, I'm going to delete that statement. Mainly because: 1. Hot dog vendors also sell Italian sausage, Polish sausage, and often vegetarian sausage on a bun. This may be nit-picking, but the article seems to me to make a distinction between the hot dog and any other type of sausage. 2. you can also buy ice cream and ice cream products from ice cream trucks all over the city in the summer. I'm not just talking the pre-made Good Humor ice-cream-on-a-stick, but trucks that sell cones, sundaes, and shakes. 3. in the winter, you can get roasted chestnuts. Bought some in front of Holy Name church on Danforth last Christmas; nummy! 4. Down on Gerrard Ave on Sundays, almost every shop seems to be roasting corn on a barbeque (then rubbing them down with a lemon or lime then rolling them in some spice mix). And they're not all restaurants that do it. So, either they're all doing it illegally, or there is no such law here. I'd like to see a cite (other than just the link to the strict hot dog regulations). -- SigPig 05:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
We need to add some international variation here. I know that in Austria a hot dog is any type of sausage stuffed into a hollowed-out baguette bread. In Denmark they have something called a "french hot dog" which is the same as above but it uses soft bread. In fact I'm going to enjoy an Austrian hot dog right now, as I'm in Vienna. I'll take a photo of it. - newkai | talk | contribs 11:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Should something be added in about the Octodog? It was mentioned on the third episode of Ham on the Street. -- Dr Archeville 14:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
What are hot dogs called in french?
When I was in Paris, hipsters called them "chienne chaude".
Right. I think Simon Deering should be on this page because his nickname, Hotdogs, is a proper noun, while the disambiguation page is for hot dog, a common noun. Simon Deering's nickname Hotdogs isn't another use of hot dog because that isn't his name, and names aren't often written out in a way different to how the person whose name it is spells it. jd || talk || 13:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, and we've just somehow gone right back to the {{ otheruses}} template... Reason? jd || talk || 21:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I interpreted from your tone and actions that you're becoming exasperated. I wished only to clarify that my sole intent is to preserve the style and standards of Wikipedia, which why I linked to AGF. I apologize if I did not convey that impression adequately. More to the point, I would direct you to the following lines in MoS:DAB:
Misspellings on disambiguation pages can be listed in a separate section entitled "Common misspellings" or "see also"
...
There may be a "See also" section which can include:
- Terms which can be confused with Title, for example New Market and Newmarket
- Likely misspellings of Title, for example Belmont, Belmonte and Bellmont
Either or both of these criteria can be construed to apply here: hot dog is a conceivable mispelling or confusion of Hotdogs, and thus a link to
Simon Deering is wholly appropriate in
Hot dog (disambiguation). I also remind you of the parallel situations I brought up before (
Hamburger (disambiguation) and
Dog (disambiguation)) which evidence the current solution as common practice on Wikipedia. If you wish to further argue that Hotdogs fits neither criterion, or that the use of the word "may" nullifies the recommendation, then I would argue that there is no place for Mr. Deering at all, as there is nothing that says he "may" be included anywhere else.
As for the use of the template, I direct you to the discussion of templates in
WP:DAB: "a number of templates have been created to ensure the uniform appearance of disambiguation links" (emphasis mine). You are correct to note that they are not strictly mandatory;
WP:DAB is, like all of the policy pages, only a guideline. However, it is an established consensus recommendation which I see no reason to contradict. If you believe the guidelines to be inadequate or if you wish a new dab template to fit your purposes, I would suggest bringing up the matter in
Wikipedia Talk:Disambiguation. -
Anþony 20:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Only one way to settle this: a hot dog eating contest. Ready, set, GO! youngamerican ( ahoy-hoy) 23:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
This page has obviously been the target of vandalism Can someone fix this?
71.227.254.181 23:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
"The only proper condiment for a hot dog is ketchup." appears in the text of the article, but I don't see it in the editable text in order to remove it. Please address this.
Here are some hot dog related userboxes which I made.
EReference 19:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is this so damn long? I don't think there needs to be this much hotdog info. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.85.240.117 ( talk) 04:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
The American story of the introduction of the hot dog, like the hamburger and ice cream cone, is often attributed to the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St. Louis, Missouri. [1]
Above from the article.
This should be elsewhere in the article not the first sentance, it's not about the creation or even introduction of the hot dog, but about those things getting more exposure and made more popular, such as people having never seen them before (though they certainly existed prior). 1904 is at minimum 50 years too late (and really around 100). It wasn't created there, but it was seen by many there for the first time, or discovered through media from the worlds fair. Oogles 01:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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It reads more like a "lifestyle" story from a weekend magazine than an encyclopedia article. There's no real defintion of the sausage (i.e. what parts of animals it's made of, how it is made, etc), there's no history before it came to America (or indeed outside of USA after 1904). Maybe an extended intro would do the trick? Zocky 01:44, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
If I may also add, focus has been placed higher on condiments accompanying the hot dog, than on the hot dog itself. Perhaps to break out all the condiments talk into a separate subhead, and the ketchup debate subordinate to the condiments subsection. In any case information in the "Preparation and basic variations" section could be broken out into more clearly defined sections. Its a hodge-podge at best right now. -- SFDan 05:22, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
It might also be time to spin the whole regional variation section into a new article, perhaps.(?) Youngamerican 12:51, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
I am likely going to be researching and making a project of this page over the next few days (i've worked on the Coney Island links and this is a natural progression). I have been plagued by slow response time on Wikipedia, which has been driving me crazy. I don't believe regional variations needs its own page, it works where it's at as long as the rest of the stuff comports. The Ketchup debate -- however -- belongs on the discussion page.
Jtmichcock
In the United Kingdom "hot dogs" are available made with regional British sausages.[citation needed] Howevever, such sandwiches made with British sausages different from frankfurters are arguably not true hot dogs. In addition, a hot dog sausage is always pre-cooked at the factory before packaging, which is generally not true of such regional British sausages.
But what is a true hot dog? Kosher hot-dogs are mentioned, but surely they are not "true" hot dog? At what point does a hot dog become true? Whitstable ( talk) 16:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Hot dog is a term coined in the USA that refers to a pre-cooked sausage with certain flavor characteristics. Kosher hot dogs are true hot dogs, they taste like hot dogs, they look like hot dogs, and no one differs on this. This is not an article about generic sausages in buns. For that, start a new page. -- Zeamays 14:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking, maybe we should split this into Frankfurter for the sausage and Hot dog for the sandwich, heavily interlinked of course? The current text from Frankfurter could go to Frankfurter (dissambiguation). Zocky 10:36, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Let me explain my thinking: Frankfurtes are popular sausages in Europe, but (at least in Central Europe and the Balkans) they're usually not eaten in a sandwich, which most people take "hot dog" to mean, but rather on a plate, with mustard and a slice of bread.
I'd suspect that in most of the world where frankfurters are eaten, the sandwiched sort is not its main usage, so the article on the sausage should mostly not concentrate on the sandwich. OTOH, hot dog as a sandwich is obviously an important element in American cuisine and it's popular all over the world, so it clearly deserves its own article.
I think solipsist provides reasonable argumentation for the use of the words "hot dog" and "frankfurter" above. I'm just not sure if there's anything else at Frankfurter that is really called just "frankfurter", so I'd still put the dissambiguation page at the longer title. Zocky 13:10, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I concur with a split; was thinking of it just looking at the article. We should have Hot dog(sandwich) for the sandwich which in the UK at least normally contains a sausage that is NOT a frankfurter, and Hot dog(sausage) or frankfurter for the sausage itself that the current article claims is the norm in the sandwich in the US. M0ffx 16:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
My addition of Category:St. Louis cuisine was rv-ed by Pharmboy on January 25, 2008.
My edit reasoning: The Hot Dog on a bun is often credited as having been invented and/or first sold at the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair, though the true geographic origin of that now common pairing is admittedly likely never to be proven 100%. I felt that, accordingly, it could be listed as a part of the St. Louis Cuisine category. This is not intended to be limiting, of course. Chicago, New York and other cities can claim this as a part of their cuisine as well, due to their unique take on the foodstuff. Ultimately, something as ubiquitous in American (and global) culture as a hot dog may not belong segregated to one city's (or a handful of cities') cuisine categories. Then again, certain cities, such as St. Louis, have played a significant role in Hot Dog history.
I prefer (and Support) inclusion, but defer to the democratic nature of the talk page. Roscoestl ( talk) 20:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
I would disagree with adding hot dog to any city or state cuisine cats, but I wouldn't have a prob with an article on St. Louis hot dogs (or something like that) if it could be well-sourced and meet all inclusion guidelines. y'amer'can ( wtf?) 16:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Regarding different variations of hotdogs, I'd like to address the "Hollywood Hotdog".
In Hollywood, CA, often outside of late night venues you will find street vendors selling hotdogs on rollaway grills. These hotdogs include grilled onion, red and green peppers, bacon wrapped hotdogs, ketchup, mustard, mayo, and the optional jalapeno. I haven't been informed if a hotdog like this is offered anywhere else.
We've all heard of a Chicago hotdog, but I've never heard of anyone mention the Hollywood hotdog so I'd thought I'd give it a shoutout and coin it's name. =)
does this article even say what animal parts make a hot dog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.134.113 ( talk) 13:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Hot dogs taste very good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.134.254 ( talk) 15:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
the sausage bun is a Hong Kong variant of the ubiquitous hot dog, and is recognised as such in any other part of the world. There is nothing new in the concept of putting a piece of bread around a sausage, and the name is pretty generic and meaningless to anyone else, including in Hong Kong. Ohconfucius ( talk) 08:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
There was an edit explaining the origin of the word "Hot Dog". I changed it to the one described (as legend) by the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council here. If anyone has any further info about the origin of the name, have a go. -- Nuffle 19:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I did some work on it and some digging, left the myth/urban legend there since it's very popular. It's kind of absurd anyway, that a cartoonist wouldn't have a dictionary or check his spelling and totally make up a word where people might even know what it is.
Also something of note, it has been suggested on several sources that a large driving factor to the name change had to do with anti-german feelings around that time and WW1, which led to the name change from the more popular (german word) frankfurter as prior to that it was kind of seen more as slang or a seldom-used nickname that has roots from the '30s where companies allegedly used dog meat in sausage. It later lost that negative connection though.
Kind of like modern day French fries/Freedom fries in the US, but I've been unable to find a particulary reliable source and might not really be that important to include anyway... and might just be an urban legend/myth in the making ;) Oogles 23:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
The two pictures of hot dogs are very nice (one with mayonnaise and one with ketchup), but I expected to see a nice line of yellow mustard instead. Isn't that the most common condiment used on a hot dog? 68.45.122.185 07:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
tube steaks - I've never heard them refered to by this name. Where'd you year this?
Also: We sould mention Harry Caray's idea about cloning hot dogs. -- DanielCD 03:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
People who absolutely insist that a hot dog can only be served with mustard tend to think that the only way to do things is THEIR way. Ketchup users tend to be more laid back about the matter- maybe the notion that ketchup contains "Natural Mellowing Agents" has some validity LOL. -- Saxophobia 02:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
World's longest hotdog at 20m created February 25th 2006 at Curtin University in Perth. [1] Nachoman-au 12:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I decided to be bold and spin off the regional variations chart into it's own article. It's at Hot dog variations. A table like that really needs to be in its own article. It was literally bigger than the rest of the article put together. I did add a link to the new page under "See also". -- Woohookitty (cat scratches) 11:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The hot dog (not frankfurter) was widely eaten as a street food in England. (Though its popularity may have been eclipsed by the kebab). -- Beardo 06:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Removed this part from the history of the hot dog:
That needs, at the least, some kind of direct citation and justification. We are saying that hot dog buns predate hot dogs in NYC by 20 or so years? Sounds like a soap opera plot: "A lonely bun in quest of a hot dog." If what we mean is that long soft rolls were baked in NYC then, that is not so remarkable. When this kind of sausage was first placed in such a roll is what would be significant. -- Cecropia 15:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it depends entirely if the person who wrote that meant a hot dog bun or a bun that would have been named a hot dog bun. In the 1880s, it would have been called a dog bun or frank/sausage bun. Still seems doubtful the bun was made then, but could be. Oogles 23:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
... ... Barry Popik here. Ignatz Frıschmann was widely credited for the "hot dog bun" in 1904 obituaries for him. These should not go without mention here. The evidence is more solid than many other histories about the hot dog: http://www.barrypopik.com/article/87/hot-dog-roll —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.99.180.131 ( talk • contribs) .
This article on the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council’s website states that there are people who assert that the hot dog was created in the late 1600's by Johann Georghehner, a butcher, living in Coburg, Germany. This is what is currently quoted in the article.
This article, however, states that “Although there is no exact documentation of where the first emulsion-type sausage was produced, there are some indications that it was done by the Vienna sausage producer, Johann Georg Lahner, in 1805.”
So it looks like either a) one of them has got it wrong (and mis-spelt the name), b) there were two butchers over a century apart with remarkably similar names who both laid claim to the invention, or c) there’s no evidence either way and they are both just versions of a legend.
Personally I reckon the Hot Dog Council have got it wrong, purely on the basis that the name Georghehner sounds like a mistake. Can anyone shed light on this? -- Spondoolicks 14:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
If you have verifiable information that contradicts what's there, you should feel free to fix it. Make sure you links connect the new data with the cite. Jtmichcock 14:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Ask Yahoo has weighed in on how the hot dog got its name. Jtmichcock 11:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Source? it says "most of the US" so what part of the US is this not the most commonly heard term and what is the source either way. Seems flaky. Removing this in a few days if no objections or no sources. Oogles 22:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
can anyone shed light on why mcdonalds, burger king, wendy's, etc. do not carry hot dogs? --- 152.3.194.147 22:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
If someone can actually come up with a link to the bylaw that states that only hot dogs may be sold as street food, I'm going to delete that statement. Mainly because: 1. Hot dog vendors also sell Italian sausage, Polish sausage, and often vegetarian sausage on a bun. This may be nit-picking, but the article seems to me to make a distinction between the hot dog and any other type of sausage. 2. you can also buy ice cream and ice cream products from ice cream trucks all over the city in the summer. I'm not just talking the pre-made Good Humor ice-cream-on-a-stick, but trucks that sell cones, sundaes, and shakes. 3. in the winter, you can get roasted chestnuts. Bought some in front of Holy Name church on Danforth last Christmas; nummy! 4. Down on Gerrard Ave on Sundays, almost every shop seems to be roasting corn on a barbeque (then rubbing them down with a lemon or lime then rolling them in some spice mix). And they're not all restaurants that do it. So, either they're all doing it illegally, or there is no such law here. I'd like to see a cite (other than just the link to the strict hot dog regulations). -- SigPig 05:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
We need to add some international variation here. I know that in Austria a hot dog is any type of sausage stuffed into a hollowed-out baguette bread. In Denmark they have something called a "french hot dog" which is the same as above but it uses soft bread. In fact I'm going to enjoy an Austrian hot dog right now, as I'm in Vienna. I'll take a photo of it. - newkai | talk | contribs 11:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Should something be added in about the Octodog? It was mentioned on the third episode of Ham on the Street. -- Dr Archeville 14:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
What are hot dogs called in french?
When I was in Paris, hipsters called them "chienne chaude".
Right. I think Simon Deering should be on this page because his nickname, Hotdogs, is a proper noun, while the disambiguation page is for hot dog, a common noun. Simon Deering's nickname Hotdogs isn't another use of hot dog because that isn't his name, and names aren't often written out in a way different to how the person whose name it is spells it. jd || talk || 13:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, and we've just somehow gone right back to the {{ otheruses}} template... Reason? jd || talk || 21:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I interpreted from your tone and actions that you're becoming exasperated. I wished only to clarify that my sole intent is to preserve the style and standards of Wikipedia, which why I linked to AGF. I apologize if I did not convey that impression adequately. More to the point, I would direct you to the following lines in MoS:DAB:
Misspellings on disambiguation pages can be listed in a separate section entitled "Common misspellings" or "see also"
...
There may be a "See also" section which can include:
- Terms which can be confused with Title, for example New Market and Newmarket
- Likely misspellings of Title, for example Belmont, Belmonte and Bellmont
Either or both of these criteria can be construed to apply here: hot dog is a conceivable mispelling or confusion of Hotdogs, and thus a link to
Simon Deering is wholly appropriate in
Hot dog (disambiguation). I also remind you of the parallel situations I brought up before (
Hamburger (disambiguation) and
Dog (disambiguation)) which evidence the current solution as common practice on Wikipedia. If you wish to further argue that Hotdogs fits neither criterion, or that the use of the word "may" nullifies the recommendation, then I would argue that there is no place for Mr. Deering at all, as there is nothing that says he "may" be included anywhere else.
As for the use of the template, I direct you to the discussion of templates in
WP:DAB: "a number of templates have been created to ensure the uniform appearance of disambiguation links" (emphasis mine). You are correct to note that they are not strictly mandatory;
WP:DAB is, like all of the policy pages, only a guideline. However, it is an established consensus recommendation which I see no reason to contradict. If you believe the guidelines to be inadequate or if you wish a new dab template to fit your purposes, I would suggest bringing up the matter in
Wikipedia Talk:Disambiguation. -
Anþony 20:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Only one way to settle this: a hot dog eating contest. Ready, set, GO! youngamerican ( ahoy-hoy) 23:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
This page has obviously been the target of vandalism Can someone fix this?
71.227.254.181 23:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
"The only proper condiment for a hot dog is ketchup." appears in the text of the article, but I don't see it in the editable text in order to remove it. Please address this.
Here are some hot dog related userboxes which I made.
EReference 19:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is this so damn long? I don't think there needs to be this much hotdog info. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.85.240.117 ( talk) 04:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
The American story of the introduction of the hot dog, like the hamburger and ice cream cone, is often attributed to the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St. Louis, Missouri. [1]
Above from the article.
This should be elsewhere in the article not the first sentance, it's not about the creation or even introduction of the hot dog, but about those things getting more exposure and made more popular, such as people having never seen them before (though they certainly existed prior). 1904 is at minimum 50 years too late (and really around 100). It wasn't created there, but it was seen by many there for the first time, or discovered through media from the worlds fair. Oogles 01:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)