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hey people i would like to add some pics in the article and since it would violate the copyright laws if i copy and paste another pic to this article, what do u guys say if i draw one and then scan it? --35ednalung
From the lecturer, this is OK. Go ahead please. --35patchau
Good idea, but i think it'll be a tough work for you. -- 36noelchan
Good suggestion, i think there is at least a picture about the proposed bridge location. So you are thinking about drawing a rough map including Hong Kong, Macau, Zhuhai? -- 39kschan
Hi all, I have drawn one and scan it as picture shown in main page, any comments are welcome, and I can use the mother copy to make changes. -- 39kschan
should the svg map image say "newly reclaimed land" because the airport is reclaimed, but it is not marked as reclaimed 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:6100:1C9:41ED:D4FE:17E0:FF1A ( talk) 19:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Before I do anything big on the page, I just want to ask some questions. 1. Some of the content is irrelevant to our topic. I'm feeling that the information hasn't been precise enough. Delete some topics (eg talking about ferry routes when it isn't directly responsible for contributing)? 2. There are a lot of red links (ie words that doesn't exist yet). Some of them are too technical; some of them are too commonplace to be linked (eg, what, freight? I'm sure everybody knows what that means/is)
Just my 2 cents for today. --37blee
yeah i agree with 37blee, there are some irrelevant info but all is good we can each do some edition and it should be fine. ok what about the pictures then? i've already drawn one..just need to scan it...but which pic to use since 39kschan has already drawn one. -- 35ednalung
actually it doesn't matter...the one of kschan is sort of like a map...but mine is the actual bridge....what it may look like...so yeah no worries
Yes you guys are right. But I would like to know what information is missing and should be included in our page? So far I don't have much idea on what to be added on the page ... recently i simply make some minor amendments instead, a bit frustrated ... -- 36noelchan
I believe that most of the information that we need others to know are pretty much covered. What we want to do now is to proofread the document. Also, if we can find any images to spice up the page, that would be excellent. Good work people --37blee
i have a suggestion, could we delete the impacts behind each category under 'impacts and influences'? cuz i think it's very repetitive...and would be better if we just have economic, scio-economic, environmental..blah blah..well that's what i think any comments? --35ednalung
Please do. I'm currently in the process of proofreading the article...I have deleted several repetitive links and content in the past. Also please double-check what you have written for mistakes. --37blee
Dear all, do you think it is better to include Chinese terms in the article? I guess that you may think that terms in Chinese are included in the diagram, but I think it is clearer to include them in the article. Well, I've just checked the history that Oliveir deleted the terms. --35patchau
Which Chinese terms? where? --37blee
hey people, we got a problem here...u know the four crossing points under background where's the fourth one? it's not there --35ednalung
The 4th one is Lo Wu? It is in a new paragraph which does not under 4th bulletin points. --39kschan
I have added the 4th points for standardization. --39kschan
Chinese names of Hong Kong, Zhuhai, Macau, etc. I added them, but Oliveir deleted them.--35patchau
hey people anyone know how to delete a pic? --35ednalung
to remove the sentence that locating the picture, i.e. .... ..... -- 39kschan
Under "Background":
Is it 400,000 per hour?
Which three is it referring to? I'm guessing Man Kam To, Lok Ma Chau and Lo Wu, but it'd be better if they were specifically referred to in the article.
Is it talking about the towns within Hong Kong?
- Hinto 21:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
The references in the Intro section were a bit messy so I just did a minor clean-up there. In the process I removed the (superfluous?) statement that the longest span is going to be "between the artificial islands containing the Macau exit of the tunnel and the Macau border facilities" because I couldn't find any handy references to support that claim. The original wording was a bit strange and I got the impression that the longest span is between two points on the Macau side, which obviously cannot be right. Besides, I found the content of that sentence to be out of place in the intro section. Further down would be fine though, if anyone can cough up a reference and a less confusing way to word it. Cheers. Meiyou ( talk) 03:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
and left hand drive (HK) on the bridge is not mentioned. Is this concept approved yet? - Scriberius ( talk) 20:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Someone interested in this subject may want to create an article for the Tuen Mun 鈥 Chek Lap Kok Link. This tunnel from the airport to New Territories is required because of this project. one source, second source - 垄Spender1983 ( talk) 16:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
What mode of traffic is the structure intended to carry? 182.93.34.10 ( talk) 13:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
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Both spellings of Macau are used randomly in the article. Hongkongers and Macanese generally use Macau. Beijingers prefer Macao for some reason. So I guess I know which will win out. Anyway, it's inconsistent now. 202.81.249.34 ( talk) 22:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Dear Wiki staff: It's long past time for you to do what real publications do: Choose one style guide and one dictionary, and use their recommendations to resolve all such disputes. As a longtime copy editor at two big-circ. American mags -- as one who has perused style guides and dictionaries aplenty -- I urge you to choose The Chicago Manual of Style and the online Oxford dictionary (British and world English, not US English). BTW, Oxford opts for "Macao." Thanks. (And apologies if the preceding is incorrectly formatted; I've not contributed to such pages before.) 00:51, Sat 27 Oct 18 (UTC)
After looking around, it seems obvious to me, that the official usage is Macau in Portuguese, and Macao in English. See the main page of the Macao SAR government:
https://www.gov.mo/en/ (English) and
https://www.gov.mo/pt/ (Portuguese). The HZMB is spelled with "Macao" in official HK websites
https://hzmb.hk/text/eng/about_overview_01.html and
https://www.hyd.gov.hk/en/road_and_railway/index.html .
So, while the discussion about renaming this particular article is closed, methinks that in future Wikipedia should follow the official practice by the government ruling the territory in question, i.e. the english language Wikipedia using "Macao", and the portuguese language Wikipedia using "Macau", and all other language versions using what they chose according to common practice in the countries speaking their particular language. --
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The HKLR isn't counted as part of the HKMZB from a project point of view and it is not included in official sources as part of the HKMZB for the purpose of measuring the length of the HKMZB. 42.98.83.190 19:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC) 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 42.98.83.190 ( talk)
The result of the move request was: No move. C煤chullain t/ c 14:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Hong Kong鈥揨huhai鈥揗acau Bridge 鈫
Hong Kong鈥揨huhai鈥揗acao Bridge 鈥 "Macau" should be replaced by "Macao" for the following reasons:
Has there been no discussion of the environmental effects? Article I have read refer to it, but I'm surprised to see it lacking from the 'effects' section of this article. Orathaic ( talk) 12:15, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Many international sources quote the length of the link as 55 km. Sources in this article's "Route and elements" section demonstrate that the length of the fixed link between the Macau/Zhuhai border crossing and Chek Lap Kok (Hong Kong) is 39 km. The sources that publish "55 km" seem to be including related but separate projects such as the Tuen Mun鈥揅hek Lap Kok Link (TM-CLKL), which has yet to even open. As the two pieces of infrastructure are operationally independent of one another (i.e. the HZMB could function normally whether or not the TM-CLKL were built, and vice versa), and as they span two different geographical obstacles (Lingdingyang vs Urmston Road), it is misleading to bundle the two lengths together. The two projects are also separated by lengthy stretches of motorway on previously existing land (Chek Lap Kok). Citobun ( talk) 01:41, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
For ease of viewing, the removed paragraph (with a citation fix) is as follows:
Bruce Lui Ping-kuen, convener of Hong Kong's Independent Commentators Association, claimed that in order to avoid speculation that might disturb Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit and the opening of the bridge, Beijing had been too quick to conclude that Zheng Xiaosong, director of the Macau Liaison Office, who died in Macau three days before the official opening of the bridge after falling from a tall building where he lived, [1] [2] [3] had died while suffering from depression, a conclusion they announced even before the completion of the investigation by the Macao police. [4].The Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office in Beijing issued a statement saying that he had suffered from depression, with the implication that he had committed suicide. [1] [2] On Chinese social media many expressed concern and sadness about his depression, but others noted that at least 7 other Chinese officials have fallen from buildings this year, with one injured and at least 6 dead. [5] Although there is no evidence that Zheng was suspected of corruption, [6] [7] [4] in recent years hundreds of mid-level Chinese officials accused of corruption have died, reportedly by suicide, although observers have doubted such accounts. [6] [7] Such deaths have been much more common during Xi's presidency than during that of his predecessor Hu Jintao. [4] The Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office has been investigated for corruption since 2016 by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection and criticized by it for its "six sins", and other Hong Kong and Macao official organizations have also been suspected of corruption. [4]
Zheng's death came just days before the opening of the 55km Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau bridge.
Bruce Lui Ping-kuen ... would give Zheng the benefit of the doubt as he had only been in Macau for a year, and there had no gossip about investigations regarding him.
There is no evidence that Mr Zheng had come under the watch of China's pervasive anti-corruption campaign. However, hundreds of mid-level Chinese officials who had been accused of graft have died in recent years - reportedly by killing themselves, though observers have questioned these accounts.
There is nothing to suggest that Mr Zheng had come under the watch of China's anti-corruption crackdown, although a number of Chinese officials who have done have died in suspicious circumstances.
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The first map in the infobox shows an area of empty sea. If you click on it and zoom out far enough, you find that in the Gulf of Guinea. I would correct it, but I've no idea what it's meant to show. Maproom ( talk) 08:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Why mention it at all? 61.15.85.96 ( talk) 13:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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hey people i would like to add some pics in the article and since it would violate the copyright laws if i copy and paste another pic to this article, what do u guys say if i draw one and then scan it? --35ednalung
From the lecturer, this is OK. Go ahead please. --35patchau
Good idea, but i think it'll be a tough work for you. -- 36noelchan
Good suggestion, i think there is at least a picture about the proposed bridge location. So you are thinking about drawing a rough map including Hong Kong, Macau, Zhuhai? -- 39kschan
Hi all, I have drawn one and scan it as picture shown in main page, any comments are welcome, and I can use the mother copy to make changes. -- 39kschan
should the svg map image say "newly reclaimed land" because the airport is reclaimed, but it is not marked as reclaimed 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:6100:1C9:41ED:D4FE:17E0:FF1A ( talk) 19:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Before I do anything big on the page, I just want to ask some questions. 1. Some of the content is irrelevant to our topic. I'm feeling that the information hasn't been precise enough. Delete some topics (eg talking about ferry routes when it isn't directly responsible for contributing)? 2. There are a lot of red links (ie words that doesn't exist yet). Some of them are too technical; some of them are too commonplace to be linked (eg, what, freight? I'm sure everybody knows what that means/is)
Just my 2 cents for today. --37blee
yeah i agree with 37blee, there are some irrelevant info but all is good we can each do some edition and it should be fine. ok what about the pictures then? i've already drawn one..just need to scan it...but which pic to use since 39kschan has already drawn one. -- 35ednalung
actually it doesn't matter...the one of kschan is sort of like a map...but mine is the actual bridge....what it may look like...so yeah no worries
Yes you guys are right. But I would like to know what information is missing and should be included in our page? So far I don't have much idea on what to be added on the page ... recently i simply make some minor amendments instead, a bit frustrated ... -- 36noelchan
I believe that most of the information that we need others to know are pretty much covered. What we want to do now is to proofread the document. Also, if we can find any images to spice up the page, that would be excellent. Good work people --37blee
i have a suggestion, could we delete the impacts behind each category under 'impacts and influences'? cuz i think it's very repetitive...and would be better if we just have economic, scio-economic, environmental..blah blah..well that's what i think any comments? --35ednalung
Please do. I'm currently in the process of proofreading the article...I have deleted several repetitive links and content in the past. Also please double-check what you have written for mistakes. --37blee
Dear all, do you think it is better to include Chinese terms in the article? I guess that you may think that terms in Chinese are included in the diagram, but I think it is clearer to include them in the article. Well, I've just checked the history that Oliveir deleted the terms. --35patchau
Which Chinese terms? where? --37blee
hey people, we got a problem here...u know the four crossing points under background where's the fourth one? it's not there --35ednalung
The 4th one is Lo Wu? It is in a new paragraph which does not under 4th bulletin points. --39kschan
I have added the 4th points for standardization. --39kschan
Chinese names of Hong Kong, Zhuhai, Macau, etc. I added them, but Oliveir deleted them.--35patchau
hey people anyone know how to delete a pic? --35ednalung
to remove the sentence that locating the picture, i.e. .... ..... -- 39kschan
Under "Background":
Is it 400,000 per hour?
Which three is it referring to? I'm guessing Man Kam To, Lok Ma Chau and Lo Wu, but it'd be better if they were specifically referred to in the article.
Is it talking about the towns within Hong Kong?
- Hinto 21:46, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
The references in the Intro section were a bit messy so I just did a minor clean-up there. In the process I removed the (superfluous?) statement that the longest span is going to be "between the artificial islands containing the Macau exit of the tunnel and the Macau border facilities" because I couldn't find any handy references to support that claim. The original wording was a bit strange and I got the impression that the longest span is between two points on the Macau side, which obviously cannot be right. Besides, I found the content of that sentence to be out of place in the intro section. Further down would be fine though, if anyone can cough up a reference and a less confusing way to word it. Cheers. Meiyou ( talk) 03:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
and left hand drive (HK) on the bridge is not mentioned. Is this concept approved yet? - Scriberius ( talk) 20:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Someone interested in this subject may want to create an article for the Tuen Mun 鈥 Chek Lap Kok Link. This tunnel from the airport to New Territories is required because of this project. one source, second source - 垄Spender1983 ( talk) 16:24, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
What mode of traffic is the structure intended to carry? 182.93.34.10 ( talk) 13:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
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Both spellings of Macau are used randomly in the article. Hongkongers and Macanese generally use Macau. Beijingers prefer Macao for some reason. So I guess I know which will win out. Anyway, it's inconsistent now. 202.81.249.34 ( talk) 22:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Dear Wiki staff: It's long past time for you to do what real publications do: Choose one style guide and one dictionary, and use their recommendations to resolve all such disputes. As a longtime copy editor at two big-circ. American mags -- as one who has perused style guides and dictionaries aplenty -- I urge you to choose The Chicago Manual of Style and the online Oxford dictionary (British and world English, not US English). BTW, Oxford opts for "Macao." Thanks. (And apologies if the preceding is incorrectly formatted; I've not contributed to such pages before.) 00:51, Sat 27 Oct 18 (UTC)
After looking around, it seems obvious to me, that the official usage is Macau in Portuguese, and Macao in English. See the main page of the Macao SAR government:
https://www.gov.mo/en/ (English) and
https://www.gov.mo/pt/ (Portuguese). The HZMB is spelled with "Macao" in official HK websites
https://hzmb.hk/text/eng/about_overview_01.html and
https://www.hyd.gov.hk/en/road_and_railway/index.html .
So, while the discussion about renaming this particular article is closed, methinks that in future Wikipedia should follow the official practice by the government ruling the territory in question, i.e. the english language Wikipedia using "Macao", and the portuguese language Wikipedia using "Macau", and all other language versions using what they chose according to common practice in the countries speaking their particular language. --
L.Willms (
talk) 12:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
The HKLR isn't counted as part of the HKMZB from a project point of view and it is not included in official sources as part of the HKMZB for the purpose of measuring the length of the HKMZB. 42.98.83.190 19:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC) 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by 42.98.83.190 ( talk)
The result of the move request was: No move. C煤chullain t/ c 14:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Hong Kong鈥揨huhai鈥揗acau Bridge 鈫
Hong Kong鈥揨huhai鈥揗acao Bridge 鈥 "Macau" should be replaced by "Macao" for the following reasons:
Has there been no discussion of the environmental effects? Article I have read refer to it, but I'm surprised to see it lacking from the 'effects' section of this article. Orathaic ( talk) 12:15, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Many international sources quote the length of the link as 55 km. Sources in this article's "Route and elements" section demonstrate that the length of the fixed link between the Macau/Zhuhai border crossing and Chek Lap Kok (Hong Kong) is 39 km. The sources that publish "55 km" seem to be including related but separate projects such as the Tuen Mun鈥揅hek Lap Kok Link (TM-CLKL), which has yet to even open. As the two pieces of infrastructure are operationally independent of one another (i.e. the HZMB could function normally whether or not the TM-CLKL were built, and vice versa), and as they span two different geographical obstacles (Lingdingyang vs Urmston Road), it is misleading to bundle the two lengths together. The two projects are also separated by lengthy stretches of motorway on previously existing land (Chek Lap Kok). Citobun ( talk) 01:41, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
For ease of viewing, the removed paragraph (with a citation fix) is as follows:
Bruce Lui Ping-kuen, convener of Hong Kong's Independent Commentators Association, claimed that in order to avoid speculation that might disturb Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit and the opening of the bridge, Beijing had been too quick to conclude that Zheng Xiaosong, director of the Macau Liaison Office, who died in Macau three days before the official opening of the bridge after falling from a tall building where he lived, [1] [2] [3] had died while suffering from depression, a conclusion they announced even before the completion of the investigation by the Macao police. [4].The Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office in Beijing issued a statement saying that he had suffered from depression, with the implication that he had committed suicide. [1] [2] On Chinese social media many expressed concern and sadness about his depression, but others noted that at least 7 other Chinese officials have fallen from buildings this year, with one injured and at least 6 dead. [5] Although there is no evidence that Zheng was suspected of corruption, [6] [7] [4] in recent years hundreds of mid-level Chinese officials accused of corruption have died, reportedly by suicide, although observers have doubted such accounts. [6] [7] Such deaths have been much more common during Xi's presidency than during that of his predecessor Hu Jintao. [4] The Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office has been investigated for corruption since 2016 by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection and criticized by it for its "six sins", and other Hong Kong and Macao official organizations have also been suspected of corruption. [4]
Zheng's death came just days before the opening of the 55km Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau bridge.
Bruce Lui Ping-kuen ... would give Zheng the benefit of the doubt as he had only been in Macau for a year, and there had no gossip about investigations regarding him.
There is no evidence that Mr Zheng had come under the watch of China's pervasive anti-corruption campaign. However, hundreds of mid-level Chinese officials who had been accused of graft have died in recent years - reportedly by killing themselves, though observers have questioned these accounts.
There is nothing to suggest that Mr Zheng had come under the watch of China's anti-corruption crackdown, although a number of Chinese officials who have done have died in suspicious circumstances.
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The first map in the infobox shows an area of empty sea. If you click on it and zoom out far enough, you find that in the Gulf of Guinea. I would correct it, but I've no idea what it's meant to show. Maproom ( talk) 08:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Why mention it at all? 61.15.85.96 ( talk) 13:13, 7 February 2024 (UTC)