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Requested move 27 February 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page back to Honeyst, per the discussion below. Please note that this could also have been accomplished through a request to revert an undiscussed move at WP:RMTR. Dekimasu よ! 23:52, 4 March 2018 (UTC) reply



HONEYSTHoneyst – Unless this is an acronym/initialism, WP:MOSTM clearly states that articles should conform to standard English formatting and capitalization, despite the trademark owner's usage. I can find no evidence that this is an acronym. This should be moved back. Evaders99 ( talk) 03:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply

  • Question: Are there any independent reliable sources that discuss the topic (preferably in English, preferably in detail)? Note that MOS:TM says "Do not invent new styles that are not used by independent sources." On the other hand, perhaps " Honeyst" should be considered the default here, since this is a request to revert a recent undiscussed move. — BarrelProof ( talk) 05:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
That is the request, yes. As to your question on sources... no, they are either primary sources of the company or unreliable news sites (Allkpop) per WP:KO/RS. This is pretty standard for Kpop groups sadly - they ignore most English conventions like BIGBANG, INFINITE, or SHINee. Evaders99 ( talk) 05:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
At least this one uses the proposed style. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:39, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
Yeah but it's ONE OF THOSE crazy websites that just LOVES CAPS In ictu oculi ( talk) 18:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support – not an acronym, and the proposed alternative is found in the kpop press as noted above. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:49, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Agree: Should be moved to Honeyst as the name is not an acronym and the Hangul (허니스트) directly translates as heoniseuteu showing zero initialisms. Abdotorg ( talk) 12:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support Honeyst, not an acronym In ictu oculi ( talk) 18:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support: This is the same case with English spelling of Twice (band). Thanks. -- Garam ( talk) 20:33, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Requested move 27 February 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page back to Honeyst, per the discussion below. Please note that this could also have been accomplished through a request to revert an undiscussed move at WP:RMTR. Dekimasu よ! 23:52, 4 March 2018 (UTC) reply



HONEYSTHoneyst – Unless this is an acronym/initialism, WP:MOSTM clearly states that articles should conform to standard English formatting and capitalization, despite the trademark owner's usage. I can find no evidence that this is an acronym. This should be moved back. Evaders99 ( talk) 03:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply

  • Question: Are there any independent reliable sources that discuss the topic (preferably in English, preferably in detail)? Note that MOS:TM says "Do not invent new styles that are not used by independent sources." On the other hand, perhaps " Honeyst" should be considered the default here, since this is a request to revert a recent undiscussed move. — BarrelProof ( talk) 05:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
That is the request, yes. As to your question on sources... no, they are either primary sources of the company or unreliable news sites (Allkpop) per WP:KO/RS. This is pretty standard for Kpop groups sadly - they ignore most English conventions like BIGBANG, INFINITE, or SHINee. Evaders99 ( talk) 05:25, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
At least this one uses the proposed style. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:39, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
Yeah but it's ONE OF THOSE crazy websites that just LOVES CAPS In ictu oculi ( talk) 18:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support – not an acronym, and the proposed alternative is found in the kpop press as noted above. Dicklyon ( talk) 06:49, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Agree: Should be moved to Honeyst as the name is not an acronym and the Hangul (허니스트) directly translates as heoniseuteu showing zero initialisms. Abdotorg ( talk) 12:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support Honeyst, not an acronym In ictu oculi ( talk) 18:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support: This is the same case with English spelling of Twice (band). Thanks. -- Garam ( talk) 20:33, 27 February 2018 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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