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Just to note a bit of clarification on a comment left in the history page: "Keeping article name Jazz is Eurocentric"
The name Jazz is not used only in Europe. It is used in all of the countries that Honda operates in outside of Japan, China, and the Western Hemisphere. That means it is used in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Asia (except China and Japan), Australia, and New Zealand.
Why the Fit? Why not the Jazz. Jazz sounds much classier than "Fit".
Here in Jakarta (and other parts of Indonesia, I suppose), the red dot above the "J" is almost always missing. Initially due to vandalism, but eventually by the owners themselves (to save vandals the trouble). As far as I know, no MSM has dignified the matter worthy of press ink, partially since it seems to already be considered common knowledge but apparently also because the vandalisms have not caused enough public distress to be deemed 'newsworthy'; though I'd very much love to be proven wrong. Does something similar also happen in other countries? How about the dots on 'i'-s for Honda Fits? -- Lemi4 15:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
So it seems we have a problem figuring out what top image to use. I would like to see thie one in place while IFCAR would like to use this one. A fair enough debate to bring to the rest of the editors in my opinion. My argument for the red would be as follows:
IFCAR's argument against would seem to be resolution isn't important on a thumb (which I, for the most part, agree with), red isn't a signature color of Honda (which is ridiculous, heard of "Red Drivers/Riders" before?), and the blue vehicle "better depicts the car" (would be interesting to hear what that means to them). Don't forget there are more free use images here and here to consider. Thoughts? Roguegeek ( talk) 15:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I know that the car is/was being marketed as a "Fit" here in the States, but just a few days ago I spotted a Honda Fit with a "Jazz" badge. I'm located nowhere near the Mexican or Canadian borders, so I seriously doubt it's from out of the country--is Honda selling the Jazz here now? -- 76.26.198.20 03:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC) KeplerNiko
On the section where it lists the different transmissions offered for the 2nd generation Fit,there is also a 5-speed automatic transmission that's only offered with the all wheel drive Fit.
http://www.autobytel-japan.com/catalog/HO64.html
67.181.84.209 ( talk) 17:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it's just my browser, but the main picture in the article looks HUGE! 71.11.215.216 ( talk) 22:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
An editor has decided to make, what I believe, is a major edit to the second-gen section. I oppose this and think an edit like this should be brought to the group of editors. I'm not of the opinion one editor should be making a large edit such as this without discussion and the blind reverting of the opposition leads me to believe an edit war is easily within reach. I figure I'd bring it here to see what everyone's thoughts are. So, thoughts? Roguegeek ( talk) 16:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Consider the source. Nihon Keizai Shimbun is Japan's version of the Wall Street Journal.
I have stated it as a rumour, but they are stating it as fact. Ng.j 23:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Looks like Honda changed direction and will go with something else. Ng.j 23:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Either way, this article is not self consistent on the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.95.98 ( talk) 05:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to change the top image to that of the most recent model. As per IFCAR's disagreements on the page for the Honda Insight I would argue that many coming to WP looking at automobiles are usually most interested in the most recent iteration of that vehicle, and as both images are of equal quality, I see no reason against having the most recent model as the top image, as is the general standard across similar pages on WP. I am interested to hear other Wikipedian's input on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasAndrewNimmo ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
In keeping with Honda's safety initiative, the Fit was offered in North America with power windows,
It's not obvious to me how power windows enhance safety. I've heard it argued that they detract from it, since a power failure (as is likely to happen if your car goes in the water) can trap you in the car. Isaac R ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I would like to know if the honda city bulk head and the fit bulk head are the same ? let me know if they are the same or which bulk head could work on the 2004 honda city . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.138.28.54 ( talk) 21:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Is that accurate? Does the car really weigh over a ton with fluids and all? I mean what is it made of dyecast iron, or something, if that is accurate it weighs more than a chevy s-10 pickup (I think). Although it is possible that what I've been told about car weighting and such is a bit skewed, so that could be just it, but still, what is up? 71.94.63.105 ( talk) 19:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
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An editor added the Philippines as location of production in info box, but I can only find production of Honda City. Can anyone confirm if Honda Fit is produced there? North wiki ( talk) 08:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
It's rear windows is almost vertical (very 'nice'), so can it be considered a true hatchback? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.240.234.212 ( talk • contribs)
Does hatchback not mean "A car with a door in the back" ? I mean it isn't a SUV or Van is it? Aryeonos 71.94.63.105 ( talk) 19:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
The article could use more information on fuel economy, as seen in Honda CR-Z and Honda Insight. Some guy ( talk) 00:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the use of US$4,800 as the premium for the Fit hybrid is appropriate when referring to the U.S. market. I think, the US$ equivalent amount is the conversion of the price difference in Japanese market between Fit hybrid and Fit base model equipped with 1.3L engine, which is not offered in North American market. To use the description of 'US$4,800 premium' may mislead some readers to think it is referring to the base model offered in the North American market.--- North wiki ( talk) 01:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
There is a move to begin including broad "the Fit was received well" type statements, which frankly open a pandoras box to begin including pro and con type statements about the car. I'm all for leaving this type of info out of the article... but if it gets included, it needs to be from neutral, reliable sources, and needs to include positive and negative. Again, I'm all for leaving it out. 842U ( talk) 18:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
The article was tagged for "written like an advertisement" [1]. Please discuss. --- North wiki ( talk) 11:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I think these sections have to go. There is no reason to list every country the car is sold in along with largely repetitive trim options. Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to condense them into a brief section. -- Leivick ( talk) 04:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I like the regional information. But I think in Canada, Cruise Control is not standard but only starts with LX trim level (2012, 2013). 142.134.23.84 ( talk) 04:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
The Fit EV has enough EV specific things to talk about that I think it deserves its own page. Also, the charging/recharging section needs to be expanded. What type of charger does the Fit EV use? Brentonstrine ( talk) 18:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Re: "The new electric motor is up to 98 percent efficient, contrast to the typical 15 percent efficiency of a gasoline engine.", this is comparing apples and oranges. A more fair comparison would be to compare how many miles each goes on a barrel of crude oil ( [ crude --> refinery --> gasoline --> engine --> miles traveled ] vs. [ crude --> refinery --> fuel oil --> power plant --> charger --> battery --> electric motor --> miles traveled ] ) This would have to be followed by information about how the numbers differ with nuclear, hydroelectric, wind, solar etc. That's a lot of work, but it would be a nice stand alone article. We could call it Efficiency of Electric vs. Fossil-fuel-powered vehicles. Are any of you EV enthusiasts or engineers game?
In the meantime, does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement of the misleading 98%/15% comparison? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 00:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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Just to note a bit of clarification on a comment left in the history page: "Keeping article name Jazz is Eurocentric"
The name Jazz is not used only in Europe. It is used in all of the countries that Honda operates in outside of Japan, China, and the Western Hemisphere. That means it is used in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Asia (except China and Japan), Australia, and New Zealand.
Why the Fit? Why not the Jazz. Jazz sounds much classier than "Fit".
Here in Jakarta (and other parts of Indonesia, I suppose), the red dot above the "J" is almost always missing. Initially due to vandalism, but eventually by the owners themselves (to save vandals the trouble). As far as I know, no MSM has dignified the matter worthy of press ink, partially since it seems to already be considered common knowledge but apparently also because the vandalisms have not caused enough public distress to be deemed 'newsworthy'; though I'd very much love to be proven wrong. Does something similar also happen in other countries? How about the dots on 'i'-s for Honda Fits? -- Lemi4 15:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
So it seems we have a problem figuring out what top image to use. I would like to see thie one in place while IFCAR would like to use this one. A fair enough debate to bring to the rest of the editors in my opinion. My argument for the red would be as follows:
IFCAR's argument against would seem to be resolution isn't important on a thumb (which I, for the most part, agree with), red isn't a signature color of Honda (which is ridiculous, heard of "Red Drivers/Riders" before?), and the blue vehicle "better depicts the car" (would be interesting to hear what that means to them). Don't forget there are more free use images here and here to consider. Thoughts? Roguegeek ( talk) 15:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I know that the car is/was being marketed as a "Fit" here in the States, but just a few days ago I spotted a Honda Fit with a "Jazz" badge. I'm located nowhere near the Mexican or Canadian borders, so I seriously doubt it's from out of the country--is Honda selling the Jazz here now? -- 76.26.198.20 03:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC) KeplerNiko
On the section where it lists the different transmissions offered for the 2nd generation Fit,there is also a 5-speed automatic transmission that's only offered with the all wheel drive Fit.
http://www.autobytel-japan.com/catalog/HO64.html
67.181.84.209 ( talk) 17:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it's just my browser, but the main picture in the article looks HUGE! 71.11.215.216 ( talk) 22:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
An editor has decided to make, what I believe, is a major edit to the second-gen section. I oppose this and think an edit like this should be brought to the group of editors. I'm not of the opinion one editor should be making a large edit such as this without discussion and the blind reverting of the opposition leads me to believe an edit war is easily within reach. I figure I'd bring it here to see what everyone's thoughts are. So, thoughts? Roguegeek ( talk) 16:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Consider the source. Nihon Keizai Shimbun is Japan's version of the Wall Street Journal.
I have stated it as a rumour, but they are stating it as fact. Ng.j 23:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Looks like Honda changed direction and will go with something else. Ng.j 23:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Either way, this article is not self consistent on the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.95.98 ( talk) 05:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to change the top image to that of the most recent model. As per IFCAR's disagreements on the page for the Honda Insight I would argue that many coming to WP looking at automobiles are usually most interested in the most recent iteration of that vehicle, and as both images are of equal quality, I see no reason against having the most recent model as the top image, as is the general standard across similar pages on WP. I am interested to hear other Wikipedian's input on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasAndrewNimmo ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
In keeping with Honda's safety initiative, the Fit was offered in North America with power windows,
It's not obvious to me how power windows enhance safety. I've heard it argued that they detract from it, since a power failure (as is likely to happen if your car goes in the water) can trap you in the car. Isaac R ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
I would like to know if the honda city bulk head and the fit bulk head are the same ? let me know if they are the same or which bulk head could work on the 2004 honda city . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.138.28.54 ( talk) 21:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Is that accurate? Does the car really weigh over a ton with fluids and all? I mean what is it made of dyecast iron, or something, if that is accurate it weighs more than a chevy s-10 pickup (I think). Although it is possible that what I've been told about car weighting and such is a bit skewed, so that could be just it, but still, what is up? 71.94.63.105 ( talk) 19:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
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An editor added the Philippines as location of production in info box, but I can only find production of Honda City. Can anyone confirm if Honda Fit is produced there? North wiki ( talk) 08:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
It's rear windows is almost vertical (very 'nice'), so can it be considered a true hatchback? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.240.234.212 ( talk • contribs)
Does hatchback not mean "A car with a door in the back" ? I mean it isn't a SUV or Van is it? Aryeonos 71.94.63.105 ( talk) 19:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
The article could use more information on fuel economy, as seen in Honda CR-Z and Honda Insight. Some guy ( talk) 00:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the use of US$4,800 as the premium for the Fit hybrid is appropriate when referring to the U.S. market. I think, the US$ equivalent amount is the conversion of the price difference in Japanese market between Fit hybrid and Fit base model equipped with 1.3L engine, which is not offered in North American market. To use the description of 'US$4,800 premium' may mislead some readers to think it is referring to the base model offered in the North American market.--- North wiki ( talk) 01:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
There is a move to begin including broad "the Fit was received well" type statements, which frankly open a pandoras box to begin including pro and con type statements about the car. I'm all for leaving this type of info out of the article... but if it gets included, it needs to be from neutral, reliable sources, and needs to include positive and negative. Again, I'm all for leaving it out. 842U ( talk) 18:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
The article was tagged for "written like an advertisement" [1]. Please discuss. --- North wiki ( talk) 11:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I think these sections have to go. There is no reason to list every country the car is sold in along with largely repetitive trim options. Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to condense them into a brief section. -- Leivick ( talk) 04:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I like the regional information. But I think in Canada, Cruise Control is not standard but only starts with LX trim level (2012, 2013). 142.134.23.84 ( talk) 04:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
The Fit EV has enough EV specific things to talk about that I think it deserves its own page. Also, the charging/recharging section needs to be expanded. What type of charger does the Fit EV use? Brentonstrine ( talk) 18:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Re: "The new electric motor is up to 98 percent efficient, contrast to the typical 15 percent efficiency of a gasoline engine.", this is comparing apples and oranges. A more fair comparison would be to compare how many miles each goes on a barrel of crude oil ( [ crude --> refinery --> gasoline --> engine --> miles traveled ] vs. [ crude --> refinery --> fuel oil --> power plant --> charger --> battery --> electric motor --> miles traveled ] ) This would have to be followed by information about how the numbers differ with nuclear, hydroelectric, wind, solar etc. That's a lot of work, but it would be a nice stand alone article. We could call it Efficiency of Electric vs. Fossil-fuel-powered vehicles. Are any of you EV enthusiasts or engineers game?
In the meantime, does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement of the misleading 98%/15% comparison? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 00:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
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