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The joke image of people paying "homage" to Hugo is inappropriate for a number of reasons
-- Stbalbach 02:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
As you can see from my contributions, which are extensive, I don't put up "joke images"
1. Circus Amok is a National Endowment for the Arts funded, award-winning production. Within the show they pay homage to the Socialist South American leaders, including
Michelle Bachelet and
Evo Morales; not uploaded is Kirschner. How would you know it is a joke unless you were there? I was, and trust me, the message was very pro-socialist, since
Jennifer Miller is a Socialist herself, and it is her award-winning piece.
2. The first line in the article is "Homage is generally used in modern English to mean any public show of respect to someone to whom one feels indebted." This production meets all of that criteria.
3. It is not "disrespectful" of anyone, as I make clear above. You can Google "Circus Amok" if you wish to see what its message is about. It certainly does not fall under satire.
You seem to be confusing POV with "everything is neutral." Editors on Wikipedia aren't allowed to insert their points of view, but we are allowed to illustrate other people's points of view. Most of your assumptions based on the photograph are incorrect; if you took some time to research them you would find this to be the case. I put Chavez up as opposed to Morales or Bachelet because he is more familiar to English-speaking audiences. But Bachelet or Morales would work equally as well - take your pick from the links above; but I feel strongly that since I have several images portraying the concept of homage, especially in an NEA-funded piece of theater, that an image should be placed on the page. I would also like to remind you to assume good faith in edits, especially from well-established editors. --
DavidShankBone
04:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a straw vote to see if the circus picture of Hugo Chavez should be in this article. Keep or Delete.
A worthy addition to the article would be the rather regular arguments that arise over movies/TV shows/video games, over whether a given "homage" is actually just a "ripoff", with the purpose of gaining attention or praise, rather than having the purpose of showing respect. Tempshill 18:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The two following sub-sections deal with two closely related aspects of what is IMO a single problem, and IMO are best read with attention to that relationship -- even if they're both lapsing into dead discussions.
--
Jerzy•
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11:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
The text has both. It seems commonplace to use either way, depending on the opinion or origin of the user, the point here is the inconsistency. Shred-69 ( talk) 05:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
As this is the english version of the page, we will go with the english version of the word, which is pronounced hah-midge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.29.180 ( User ) 20:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Recently, homage and hommage were split, and the modern sense of praise through imitation (borrowed from modern French usage) was moved to the latter, which retains the French spelling. As of 5 Oct 2010 hommage was redirected back here, but the material that was moved there was not moved back. We need to decide where this sense is going to be discussed. -- Elphion ( talk) 01:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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The joke image of people paying "homage" to Hugo is inappropriate for a number of reasons
-- Stbalbach 02:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
As you can see from my contributions, which are extensive, I don't put up "joke images"
1. Circus Amok is a National Endowment for the Arts funded, award-winning production. Within the show they pay homage to the Socialist South American leaders, including
Michelle Bachelet and
Evo Morales; not uploaded is Kirschner. How would you know it is a joke unless you were there? I was, and trust me, the message was very pro-socialist, since
Jennifer Miller is a Socialist herself, and it is her award-winning piece.
2. The first line in the article is "Homage is generally used in modern English to mean any public show of respect to someone to whom one feels indebted." This production meets all of that criteria.
3. It is not "disrespectful" of anyone, as I make clear above. You can Google "Circus Amok" if you wish to see what its message is about. It certainly does not fall under satire.
You seem to be confusing POV with "everything is neutral." Editors on Wikipedia aren't allowed to insert their points of view, but we are allowed to illustrate other people's points of view. Most of your assumptions based on the photograph are incorrect; if you took some time to research them you would find this to be the case. I put Chavez up as opposed to Morales or Bachelet because he is more familiar to English-speaking audiences. But Bachelet or Morales would work equally as well - take your pick from the links above; but I feel strongly that since I have several images portraying the concept of homage, especially in an NEA-funded piece of theater, that an image should be placed on the page. I would also like to remind you to assume good faith in edits, especially from well-established editors. --
DavidShankBone
04:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a straw vote to see if the circus picture of Hugo Chavez should be in this article. Keep or Delete.
A worthy addition to the article would be the rather regular arguments that arise over movies/TV shows/video games, over whether a given "homage" is actually just a "ripoff", with the purpose of gaining attention or praise, rather than having the purpose of showing respect. Tempshill 18:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The two following sub-sections deal with two closely related aspects of what is IMO a single problem, and IMO are best read with attention to that relationship -- even if they're both lapsing into dead discussions.
--
Jerzy•
t
11:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
The text has both. It seems commonplace to use either way, depending on the opinion or origin of the user, the point here is the inconsistency. Shred-69 ( talk) 05:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
As this is the english version of the page, we will go with the english version of the word, which is pronounced hah-midge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.29.180 ( User ) 20:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Recently, homage and hommage were split, and the modern sense of praise through imitation (borrowed from modern French usage) was moved to the latter, which retains the French spelling. As of 5 Oct 2010 hommage was redirected back here, but the material that was moved there was not moved back. We need to decide where this sense is going to be discussed. -- Elphion ( talk) 01:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)