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The main text says 'Toul' while the fact box says 'Tours', apparently different parts of France. The link at the bottom to the online biography at the Legends of Hockey website lists 'Toul', but I'm reluctant to change the fact box (I'm not sure 'fact box' a proper term?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.181.153.10 ( talk) 11:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
The correct location is Toul. That was the aerodrome for the Air Service, Second Army, to which the 141st Aero Squadron was assigned. My grandfather was stationed there with the 278th Aero Squadron (Observation) at the time and witnessed Capt Baker's crash. 76.125.60.137 ( talk) 01:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I have added a paragraph on Baker's contributions to skating which were considerable. I have not fully sourced these but they should be easily provable by anyone so inclined. In regards to my statement that Baker invented the wedge stop there may be some doubters, however, if you read old manuals of figure skating you will find absolutely no mention of the wedge stop (until Baker's time). For example, the book "Lessons in Skating" by George Meagher (1900) it reads as follows (describing the parallel stop):
"Remember that if you are going at a rate of speed, and wish to stop, there is only one correct way of doing so, i.e., turn both feet perfectly sideways, slant the body in the direction which you started; this will throw you on the inside edge of one skate, and the outside edge of the other."
Meagher was figure skating champion of the world and a renowned hockey expert. Baker's use of the wedge stop was simply flabbergasting to his contemporaries because not only was it completely novel, but players who tried to imitate him found that they could not do it because it requires incredible ankle strength and technique to use wedge stops at high speeds. John Chamberlain ( talk) 03:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
membership in the 103rd does not count as escadrill. his name does not appear on either escadrill list. Brian in denver ( talk) 20:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I discovered this article by chance, and it seems very complete in terms of content/referencing. I think if a copyedit were to be done, it would be a viable candidate at FAC. Any thoughts? Maxim (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
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It may take me a day or two to completely review this, but it is an interesting article. There were some minor and simple prose issues which I have copy-edited as I've read. If I have made a mess of anything, feel free to revert.
Lead:
Early life:
Princeton:
More to follow in the next few days, but looking good overall. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Post-university
World War One
Death
General comments:
I'll put this on hold for a week, but I can extend if needed. I don't see too many problems to passing, it's all fairly minor. However, I would suggest if this article is to go for FAC as the talk page suggests, it needs a thorough copy-edit as there are still some prose issues, albeit not enough to stop it passing GA. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 21:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
-- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
The text asserts that Baker "led a squadron of twelve aircraft, the most to have ever flown in military formation" to Princeton. This may be a considerable romanticism by Salvini, the source. In a work by historian Juliette Hennessy of the Air Force's Historical Division in 1958, The United States Army Air Arm, April 1861 to April 1917, page 179, it indicates that the flight consisted of ten aircraft, not twelve, that only seven were flown by military (National Guard) aviators (the other three were flown by a civilian instructor and civilian students training at the aviation school on Governor's Island), that they were led by Captain Raynal Bolling, and that Baker flew as an observer in a Curtiss JN4 flown by another civilian, Cord Meyer. Meyer was a Yalie also commissioned in 1917 and flew again with Baker in the 103rd A.S. Because this is an FA, I am going to do more research before/if I edit this, but whoever originally sourced this might go back and check Salvini's source. I discovered this in sourcing Baker's date of commissioning, which was April 30, 1917 in the Signal Officer's Reserve Corps, with a rating of Reserve Military Aviator. (p. 246)-- Reedmalloy ( talk) 21:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why this article needs to have two infoboxes, the second of which repeats some of the information given in the first and also makes it appear that he won the Croix de Guerre with the Princeton Tigers? Bencherlite Talk 10:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Just a recommendation, but the Hockey Hall of Fame banner should be displayed at the top of the info bar, as seen in any other HHOF member. Tried myself but for some reason could't get the code to work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spilia4 ( talk • contribs) 07:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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The main text says 'Toul' while the fact box says 'Tours', apparently different parts of France. The link at the bottom to the online biography at the Legends of Hockey website lists 'Toul', but I'm reluctant to change the fact box (I'm not sure 'fact box' a proper term?). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.181.153.10 ( talk) 11:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
The correct location is Toul. That was the aerodrome for the Air Service, Second Army, to which the 141st Aero Squadron was assigned. My grandfather was stationed there with the 278th Aero Squadron (Observation) at the time and witnessed Capt Baker's crash. 76.125.60.137 ( talk) 01:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I have added a paragraph on Baker's contributions to skating which were considerable. I have not fully sourced these but they should be easily provable by anyone so inclined. In regards to my statement that Baker invented the wedge stop there may be some doubters, however, if you read old manuals of figure skating you will find absolutely no mention of the wedge stop (until Baker's time). For example, the book "Lessons in Skating" by George Meagher (1900) it reads as follows (describing the parallel stop):
"Remember that if you are going at a rate of speed, and wish to stop, there is only one correct way of doing so, i.e., turn both feet perfectly sideways, slant the body in the direction which you started; this will throw you on the inside edge of one skate, and the outside edge of the other."
Meagher was figure skating champion of the world and a renowned hockey expert. Baker's use of the wedge stop was simply flabbergasting to his contemporaries because not only was it completely novel, but players who tried to imitate him found that they could not do it because it requires incredible ankle strength and technique to use wedge stops at high speeds. John Chamberlain ( talk) 03:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
membership in the 103rd does not count as escadrill. his name does not appear on either escadrill list. Brian in denver ( talk) 20:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I discovered this article by chance, and it seems very complete in terms of content/referencing. I think if a copyedit were to be done, it would be a viable candidate at FAC. Any thoughts? Maxim (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
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It may take me a day or two to completely review this, but it is an interesting article. There were some minor and simple prose issues which I have copy-edited as I've read. If I have made a mess of anything, feel free to revert.
Lead:
Early life:
Princeton:
More to follow in the next few days, but looking good overall. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Post-university
World War One
Death
General comments:
I'll put this on hold for a week, but I can extend if needed. I don't see too many problems to passing, it's all fairly minor. However, I would suggest if this article is to go for FAC as the talk page suggests, it needs a thorough copy-edit as there are still some prose issues, albeit not enough to stop it passing GA. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 21:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
-- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
The text asserts that Baker "led a squadron of twelve aircraft, the most to have ever flown in military formation" to Princeton. This may be a considerable romanticism by Salvini, the source. In a work by historian Juliette Hennessy of the Air Force's Historical Division in 1958, The United States Army Air Arm, April 1861 to April 1917, page 179, it indicates that the flight consisted of ten aircraft, not twelve, that only seven were flown by military (National Guard) aviators (the other three were flown by a civilian instructor and civilian students training at the aviation school on Governor's Island), that they were led by Captain Raynal Bolling, and that Baker flew as an observer in a Curtiss JN4 flown by another civilian, Cord Meyer. Meyer was a Yalie also commissioned in 1917 and flew again with Baker in the 103rd A.S. Because this is an FA, I am going to do more research before/if I edit this, but whoever originally sourced this might go back and check Salvini's source. I discovered this in sourcing Baker's date of commissioning, which was April 30, 1917 in the Signal Officer's Reserve Corps, with a rating of Reserve Military Aviator. (p. 246)-- Reedmalloy ( talk) 21:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why this article needs to have two infoboxes, the second of which repeats some of the information given in the first and also makes it appear that he won the Croix de Guerre with the Princeton Tigers? Bencherlite Talk 10:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Just a recommendation, but the Hockey Hall of Fame banner should be displayed at the top of the info bar, as seen in any other HHOF member. Tried myself but for some reason could't get the code to work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spilia4 ( talk • contribs) 07:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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