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I am making the article content reflect its title. Perhaps we should then end up with a substancial section on stateside Puerto Rican women,,, since they would not be Women "IN" Puerto Rico per se, yet they too are considered Puerto Rican women. Mercy11 ( talk) 16:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Sila María Calderon is mentioned within the article. Sonia Sotomayor and Jennifer Lopez are stateside Puerto Ricans who made their mark outside of Puerto Rico. Their contributions would be better included in an article about Stateside Puerto Rican women. Tony the Marine ( talk) 05:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
The Lopez Family Foundation is excited to announce the launch of our first telemedicine center in San Juan, Puerto Rico, at the San Jorge Children's Hospital, and a second link coming shortly at the University Pediatric Hospital at the Centro Medico.
Keep the section in prose and the list on List of Puerto Rican women. Talk in prose about the most prominent Puerto Rican women in history and WHY they are considered prominent. For example, Miss Universe's are not considered prominent simply for being a Miss Universe. They are considered prominent if they have had a significant impact on the history of Puerto Rico. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 03:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
This peer review discussion has been closed.
I've listed this article for peer review because of its importance to Puerto Rico and Wikipedia. We need eyes that are impartial to the subject to offer their criticism and feedback. —
Ahnoneemoos (
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I can't find the claim that "many women are the sole economic income source of their families." The issue here is the use of the adjective many. We all know that some women are the sole economic income, but "many"? I doubt that as Puerto Rico requires fathers to provide income for both their children and their children's mother(s). I did a search on Google for the phrase and could not come up with anything. I did a review of the citation provided and couldn't find a text that backed up this claim either. Can any of you guys provide the text that made you write such statement? If you can use an {{
efn}}
template that had be great. That way we don't have to skim all over the reference to find out where is the text that verifies your contribution. —
Ahnoneemoos (
talk) 08:42, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Be careful on your wording. We should focus on "women in Puerto Rico" not solely on "Puerto Rican women". For example, Ruth Mary Reynolds is important to the history of women in Puerto Rico but she was not a "Puerto Rican woman" (as she was from South Dakota). Same thing with many other women that have contributed to the history of women in Puerto Rico. So be careful with how you paraphrase stuff. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 15:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
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I'm enjoying reading this. I'm going to put it on hold for a final copy edit because there are a few prose issues. For example, was the padded board really secured to the baby's forehead? (Sounds painful!) " That sentence – "Women who were mothers carried their babies on their backs on a padded board that was secured to the baby's forehead" – seems to have come from here (an article from 1996): "Mothers carried their babies on their backs on a padded board that was secured to the baby's forehead." That article continues: "The board flattened the baby's forehead. Thus Taínos had a flat forehead – something they found attractive." So that sentence should be rewritten or attributed, and it would be worth adding something about the consequence."... by rolling the clay into rope and then layering it to form or shape". Is that to "form a shape"? "Taíno women also carved drawings made from stone or wood with a raised tail used as a backrest". I think that is carved chairs, rather than drawings, and that sentence also comes from the article linked above: "Carved dujos made from stone or wood with a raised tail used as a backrest were carved by both men and women". The section "Women from Africa" begins: "The Spanish colonists, fearing the loss of their labor force, also protested before the courts." It's not clear what "also" refers to there, or what "protested before the courts" means. "As an alternative ..." As an alternative to what? I see now that those sentences seem to have been copied from African immigration to Puerto Rico, where they make sense in context. In paragraph 4 of that section, it says: "The slaves were not emancipated - they had to buy their own freedom, at whatever price was set by their previous owners." Then suddenly: "Puerto Rican cuisine and culture at the time were highly influenced by that of the traditions of the Spanish ..." That needs a paragraph break, at least. I'm going to put the review on hold so that you can read the article through for flow. Anything copied from a source needs to be attributed in the text (see WP:INTEXT), and anything copied from another Wikipedia article should really be rewritten. | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | ||
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | So far as I know these rolling lists for references aren't part of the MoS, and they make it harder to see at a glance which references have been used. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | The citations could use some clarification. For example (these are just examples), the book is called The Tainos, not "The Tainos Hardcover", and page numbers are needed. Also, some more information about "2010 US Census" would be helpful; otherwise it's not clear where to find it. And with "Introduction, Puerto Rican Labor Movement", it's not clear what that is. Other examples are the two refs after the paragraph ending "based upon food products that originated in Africa." The first is a dead link, but copies in the Internet Archive don't support the paragraph that I can see; it's also not clear what the source is. The second is also a dead link; the Internet Archive doesn't have a copy. | |
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | There are a few images that should be checked. File:RColberg2.jpg: not sure this can be claimed as fair use in a gallery in the infobox. Also, I wonder whether File:Rivera's photo.JPG and File:Olga-tañon.jpg really are the work of the uploader. It's also not clear what File:EarlyIrishImmigrants.gif is a photograph of exactly or why it would be in the public domain. | |
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Shouldn't this article be titled Women in Puerto Rico to match the convention of all our other similar articles? Kaldari ( talk) 23:44, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
How about San Juan Mayor, Carmen Yulín Cruz, who is currently in the news? MaynardClark ( talk) 14:02, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of History of women in Puerto Rico's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:06, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Puerto Ricans are the people of Puerto Rico, the inhabitants, and citizens of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and their descendants. Stateside Puerto Ricans are also ambiguously Puerto Rican Americans or Puerto Ricans in the United States, are Puerto Ricans in the United States proper (the 50 states and the District of Columbia), who were born in or trace family ancestry to the US territory of Puerto Rico.
According to the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, women who are born to Puerto Rican parents in the United States or elsewhere, are considered to be Puerto Rican citizens. On November 18, 1997, the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, through its ruling in Miriam J. Ramirez de Ferrer v. Juan Mari Brás, reaffirmed the standing existence of the Puerto Rican citizenship. [1] Since 2007, the Government of Puerto Rico has been issuing "Certificates of Puerto Rican Citizenship" to anyone born in Puerto Rico or to anyone born outside of Puerto Rico with at least one parent who was born in Puerto Rico. [2]
That is why people born outside of Puerto Rico, but of Puerto Rican descent such as Jennifer Lopez for example, proudly identify themselves as Puerto Ricans. The same goes for the African-Americans or Mexican Americans who proudly identify themselves with the homeland of their ancestors. I for one am one of those people. Tony the Marine ( talk) 16:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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User:Marine 69-71 has been adding information about women not born in Puerto Rico, but who are of Puerto Rican ancestry. The scope of this article is obvious from the title ("in" Puerto Rico) , and detailed information about women not born in Puerto Rico, and who have never lived in Puerto Rico, should be removed. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:15, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
This article was renamed "History of Puerto Rican Woman". Because it was a more proper title to include not only the woman born in Puerto Rico as it was in the "History of Women in Puerto Rico", but to include the woman who are proud of their Puerto Rican heritage and identify as such. You however (the above editor) reverted it without consulting those who are interested in the subject.
You do not have to be born in Puerto Rico to be a Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican citizenship was never revoked by the United States. As a matter of fact the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, has stated that women who are born to Puerto Rican parents in the United States or elsewhere, are Puerto Rican citizens. On November 18, 1997, the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, through its ruling in Miriam J. Ramirez de Ferrer v. Juan Mari Brás, reaffirmed the standing existence of the Puerto Rican citizenship. [1] Since 2007, the Government of Puerto Rico has been issuing "Certificates of Puerto Rican Citizenship" to anyone born in Puerto Rico or to anyone born outside of Puerto Rico with at least one parent who was born in Puerto Rico. [2]
That is why people born outside of Puerto Rico, but of Puerto Rican descent such as Jennifer Lopez for example, proudly identify themselves as Puerto Ricans. The same goes for the African-Americans or Mexican Americans who proudly identify themselves with the homeland of their ancestors. I for one am one of those people. Please do not offend those who proudly identify themselves as Puerto Ricans just because they were born somewhere else. Tony the Marine ( talk) 22:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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Comment - Pls note the following section above (2013), on this talk page where it's explained that the scope is not just on Puerto Rican women. For example Ruth Mary Reynolds is in this article because of her impact on Puerto Rico. How about Women in the history of Puerto Rico?-- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 00:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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I am making the article content reflect its title. Perhaps we should then end up with a substancial section on stateside Puerto Rican women,,, since they would not be Women "IN" Puerto Rico per se, yet they too are considered Puerto Rican women. Mercy11 ( talk) 16:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Sila María Calderon is mentioned within the article. Sonia Sotomayor and Jennifer Lopez are stateside Puerto Ricans who made their mark outside of Puerto Rico. Their contributions would be better included in an article about Stateside Puerto Rican women. Tony the Marine ( talk) 05:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
The Lopez Family Foundation is excited to announce the launch of our first telemedicine center in San Juan, Puerto Rico, at the San Jorge Children's Hospital, and a second link coming shortly at the University Pediatric Hospital at the Centro Medico.
Keep the section in prose and the list on List of Puerto Rican women. Talk in prose about the most prominent Puerto Rican women in history and WHY they are considered prominent. For example, Miss Universe's are not considered prominent simply for being a Miss Universe. They are considered prominent if they have had a significant impact on the history of Puerto Rico. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 03:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
This peer review discussion has been closed.
I've listed this article for peer review because of its importance to Puerto Rico and Wikipedia. We need eyes that are impartial to the subject to offer their criticism and feedback. —
Ahnoneemoos (
talk) 04:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I can't find the claim that "many women are the sole economic income source of their families." The issue here is the use of the adjective many. We all know that some women are the sole economic income, but "many"? I doubt that as Puerto Rico requires fathers to provide income for both their children and their children's mother(s). I did a search on Google for the phrase and could not come up with anything. I did a review of the citation provided and couldn't find a text that backed up this claim either. Can any of you guys provide the text that made you write such statement? If you can use an {{
efn}}
template that had be great. That way we don't have to skim all over the reference to find out where is the text that verifies your contribution. —
Ahnoneemoos (
talk) 08:42, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Be careful on your wording. We should focus on "women in Puerto Rico" not solely on "Puerto Rican women". For example, Ruth Mary Reynolds is important to the history of women in Puerto Rico but she was not a "Puerto Rican woman" (as she was from South Dakota). Same thing with many other women that have contributed to the history of women in Puerto Rico. So be careful with how you paraphrase stuff. — Ahnoneemoos ( talk) 15:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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I'm enjoying reading this. I'm going to put it on hold for a final copy edit because there are a few prose issues. For example, was the padded board really secured to the baby's forehead? (Sounds painful!) " That sentence – "Women who were mothers carried their babies on their backs on a padded board that was secured to the baby's forehead" – seems to have come from here (an article from 1996): "Mothers carried their babies on their backs on a padded board that was secured to the baby's forehead." That article continues: "The board flattened the baby's forehead. Thus Taínos had a flat forehead – something they found attractive." So that sentence should be rewritten or attributed, and it would be worth adding something about the consequence."... by rolling the clay into rope and then layering it to form or shape". Is that to "form a shape"? "Taíno women also carved drawings made from stone or wood with a raised tail used as a backrest". I think that is carved chairs, rather than drawings, and that sentence also comes from the article linked above: "Carved dujos made from stone or wood with a raised tail used as a backrest were carved by both men and women". The section "Women from Africa" begins: "The Spanish colonists, fearing the loss of their labor force, also protested before the courts." It's not clear what "also" refers to there, or what "protested before the courts" means. "As an alternative ..." As an alternative to what? I see now that those sentences seem to have been copied from African immigration to Puerto Rico, where they make sense in context. In paragraph 4 of that section, it says: "The slaves were not emancipated - they had to buy their own freedom, at whatever price was set by their previous owners." Then suddenly: "Puerto Rican cuisine and culture at the time were highly influenced by that of the traditions of the Spanish ..." That needs a paragraph break, at least. I'm going to put the review on hold so that you can read the article through for flow. Anything copied from a source needs to be attributed in the text (see WP:INTEXT), and anything copied from another Wikipedia article should really be rewritten. | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | ||
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | So far as I know these rolling lists for references aren't part of the MoS, and they make it harder to see at a glance which references have been used. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | The citations could use some clarification. For example (these are just examples), the book is called The Tainos, not "The Tainos Hardcover", and page numbers are needed. Also, some more information about "2010 US Census" would be helpful; otherwise it's not clear where to find it. And with "Introduction, Puerto Rican Labor Movement", it's not clear what that is. Other examples are the two refs after the paragraph ending "based upon food products that originated in Africa." The first is a dead link, but copies in the Internet Archive don't support the paragraph that I can see; it's also not clear what the source is. The second is also a dead link; the Internet Archive doesn't have a copy. | |
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | ||
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | There are a few images that should be checked. File:RColberg2.jpg: not sure this can be claimed as fair use in a gallery in the infobox. Also, I wonder whether File:Rivera's photo.JPG and File:Olga-tañon.jpg really are the work of the uploader. It's also not clear what File:EarlyIrishImmigrants.gif is a photograph of exactly or why it would be in the public domain. | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
7. Overall assessment. | On hold until further notice. [2] |
Shouldn't this article be titled Women in Puerto Rico to match the convention of all our other similar articles? Kaldari ( talk) 23:44, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
How about San Juan Mayor, Carmen Yulín Cruz, who is currently in the news? MaynardClark ( talk) 14:02, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of History of women in Puerto Rico's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "PRH":
{{
cite web}}
: Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:06, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Puerto Ricans are the people of Puerto Rico, the inhabitants, and citizens of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico and their descendants. Stateside Puerto Ricans are also ambiguously Puerto Rican Americans or Puerto Ricans in the United States, are Puerto Ricans in the United States proper (the 50 states and the District of Columbia), who were born in or trace family ancestry to the US territory of Puerto Rico.
According to the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, women who are born to Puerto Rican parents in the United States or elsewhere, are considered to be Puerto Rican citizens. On November 18, 1997, the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, through its ruling in Miriam J. Ramirez de Ferrer v. Juan Mari Brás, reaffirmed the standing existence of the Puerto Rican citizenship. [1] Since 2007, the Government of Puerto Rico has been issuing "Certificates of Puerto Rican Citizenship" to anyone born in Puerto Rico or to anyone born outside of Puerto Rico with at least one parent who was born in Puerto Rico. [2]
That is why people born outside of Puerto Rico, but of Puerto Rican descent such as Jennifer Lopez for example, proudly identify themselves as Puerto Ricans. The same goes for the African-Americans or Mexican Americans who proudly identify themselves with the homeland of their ancestors. I for one am one of those people. Tony the Marine ( talk) 16:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
References
User:Marine 69-71 has been adding information about women not born in Puerto Rico, but who are of Puerto Rican ancestry. The scope of this article is obvious from the title ("in" Puerto Rico) , and detailed information about women not born in Puerto Rico, and who have never lived in Puerto Rico, should be removed. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 18:15, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
This article was renamed "History of Puerto Rican Woman". Because it was a more proper title to include not only the woman born in Puerto Rico as it was in the "History of Women in Puerto Rico", but to include the woman who are proud of their Puerto Rican heritage and identify as such. You however (the above editor) reverted it without consulting those who are interested in the subject.
You do not have to be born in Puerto Rico to be a Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican citizenship was never revoked by the United States. As a matter of fact the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, has stated that women who are born to Puerto Rican parents in the United States or elsewhere, are Puerto Rican citizens. On November 18, 1997, the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico, through its ruling in Miriam J. Ramirez de Ferrer v. Juan Mari Brás, reaffirmed the standing existence of the Puerto Rican citizenship. [1] Since 2007, the Government of Puerto Rico has been issuing "Certificates of Puerto Rican Citizenship" to anyone born in Puerto Rico or to anyone born outside of Puerto Rico with at least one parent who was born in Puerto Rico. [2]
That is why people born outside of Puerto Rico, but of Puerto Rican descent such as Jennifer Lopez for example, proudly identify themselves as Puerto Ricans. The same goes for the African-Americans or Mexican Americans who proudly identify themselves with the homeland of their ancestors. I for one am one of those people. Please do not offend those who proudly identify themselves as Puerto Ricans just because they were born somewhere else. Tony the Marine ( talk) 22:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
References
Comment - Pls note the following section above (2013), on this talk page where it's explained that the scope is not just on Puerto Rican women. For example Ruth Mary Reynolds is in this article because of her impact on Puerto Rico. How about Women in the history of Puerto Rico?-- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 00:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)