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Comment: The 1960s-90s section of this article is very weak. There is little about the actual wearing and social acceptance of bikinis. It instead focuses on a selection of bikini moments in film. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 14:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The article is of wide scope, its quite readable, its referenced, its well illustrated and it has a good historical view. Its quite long (this is not a criticism), so it has taken me some time to read through it; and I want to go through it again over the weekend. It's at the right level to gain GA-status.
I will check through each section in detail, leaving the WP:lead until last. However, I think that the WP:lead needs some improving: it is intended to be both an introduction to the article and a summary of the article. The first paragraph appears to be the introduction; and the second paragraph contains material that does not appear to be in the article, i.e. I could not find any of this information anywhere other than the WP:lead:
The bikini is the most popular beachwear around the globe, according to French fashion historian Olivier Saillard due to "the power of women, and not the power of fashion". As he explains, "The emancipation of swimwear has always been linked to the emancipation of women",[2] though one survey tells 85% of all bikinis never touch the water.[3] By the early 2000s, bikinis had become a US$811 million business annually, according to the NPD Group, a consumer and retail information company.[4] The bikini has boosted spin-off services like bikini waxing and the sun tanning industries.[5]
I found the information on precursors, such as Çatalhöyük, Rome & Pompeii interesting and some of that aught to be captured in the WP:lead. I will now check references & in-line citations, images and sections, etc, in a bit more detail. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm intending to go through the article section, by section, with the WP:lead being done last. I'm only looking at the prose at this stage, I'll consider the illustrations (if necessary) separately.
This article probably stands a good chance of making it through WP:FAC, but this is a WP:GA review. Most "problems" appear to be relatively minor:
The transition between these two sections needs some attention. The 1960s to 1990s: popularity and social acceptance section is mostly about (a gross over-summary on my part) actresses boosting their carears by wearing bikinis, then the final section is about leanness / fitness. The Since 1990s: mixed fortunes section then talks about one-piece suits in 1980/90s; the kini family in the 1980s; body image; and then 1990s concerns over "human honour and dignity". I suspect that some of the paragraphs in the last section need to be moved into the penultimate section; and/or the dates of last two sections modified.
Pyrotec ( talk) 21:36, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I was looking for something with a slightly longer introduction to and a summary of the article. Along the lines:
Alhough the bikini shocked when it appeared on French beaches in 1947, the history of the bikini dates back millennia. Depictions of bikini-like garments appear at the Chalcolithic site of Çatalhöyük, and two-piece bikini-like garments were worn by women for athletic purposes in Greece as far back as 1400 BC. In the modern era, the first functional two-piece swimsuit was designed in 1913 by Carl Jantzen. The modern bikini was invented by French engineer Louis Réard in 1946. He named it after Bikini Island in the Pacific, the site of the Operation Crossroads nuclear test on July 1, 1946, believing that the burst of excitement it caused would be as explosive as a nuclear device. After Jacques Heim had called his bikini precursor the Atome in view of its size, Louis Réard claimed to have "split the Atome" to make it even smaller. During the second half of the 20th century, it rapidly gained favor, possibly as a result of its appearance in the first Miss World contest and in various iconic films, such as Dr. No and One Million Years B.C.. It also lead on to other 'beach fashion wear' such as the "-kini family".
The bikini is not without controversy: the question of 'body image' and who should wear the bikini arise; certain Nations regard the bikini as degrading to women; and concerns over 'safe sun, as well as safe sex' have arisen.
This is almost word for word the current lead, with some additions. You are welcome to modify or change this, but I don't feel that it should be shortened. I was not objecting all that strongly about your original second sentence, as such; just that it was out of proportion in regard to the original first sentence (which needed to be made longer).
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
A wide-ranging, comprehensive, well-referenced article
I'm awarding GA-status with immediate effect; and suggest that you consider WP:FAC. I suspect, that the article has all the technical content in place, but there will be the "pain" of meeting their more stringent requirements, such as an in-line citation for every statement, and all references in the "proper" formate, i.e. {cite web}, {cite book}, etc for every ref.
Congratulations on the work to date. Pyrotec ( talk) 16:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
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Comment: The 1960s-90s section of this article is very weak. There is little about the actual wearing and social acceptance of bikinis. It instead focuses on a selection of bikini moments in film. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 14:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The article is of wide scope, its quite readable, its referenced, its well illustrated and it has a good historical view. Its quite long (this is not a criticism), so it has taken me some time to read through it; and I want to go through it again over the weekend. It's at the right level to gain GA-status.
I will check through each section in detail, leaving the WP:lead until last. However, I think that the WP:lead needs some improving: it is intended to be both an introduction to the article and a summary of the article. The first paragraph appears to be the introduction; and the second paragraph contains material that does not appear to be in the article, i.e. I could not find any of this information anywhere other than the WP:lead:
The bikini is the most popular beachwear around the globe, according to French fashion historian Olivier Saillard due to "the power of women, and not the power of fashion". As he explains, "The emancipation of swimwear has always been linked to the emancipation of women",[2] though one survey tells 85% of all bikinis never touch the water.[3] By the early 2000s, bikinis had become a US$811 million business annually, according to the NPD Group, a consumer and retail information company.[4] The bikini has boosted spin-off services like bikini waxing and the sun tanning industries.[5]
I found the information on precursors, such as Çatalhöyük, Rome & Pompeii interesting and some of that aught to be captured in the WP:lead. I will now check references & in-line citations, images and sections, etc, in a bit more detail. Pyrotec ( talk) 21:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm intending to go through the article section, by section, with the WP:lead being done last. I'm only looking at the prose at this stage, I'll consider the illustrations (if necessary) separately.
This article probably stands a good chance of making it through WP:FAC, but this is a WP:GA review. Most "problems" appear to be relatively minor:
The transition between these two sections needs some attention. The 1960s to 1990s: popularity and social acceptance section is mostly about (a gross over-summary on my part) actresses boosting their carears by wearing bikinis, then the final section is about leanness / fitness. The Since 1990s: mixed fortunes section then talks about one-piece suits in 1980/90s; the kini family in the 1980s; body image; and then 1990s concerns over "human honour and dignity". I suspect that some of the paragraphs in the last section need to be moved into the penultimate section; and/or the dates of last two sections modified.
Pyrotec ( talk) 21:36, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I was looking for something with a slightly longer introduction to and a summary of the article. Along the lines:
Alhough the bikini shocked when it appeared on French beaches in 1947, the history of the bikini dates back millennia. Depictions of bikini-like garments appear at the Chalcolithic site of Çatalhöyük, and two-piece bikini-like garments were worn by women for athletic purposes in Greece as far back as 1400 BC. In the modern era, the first functional two-piece swimsuit was designed in 1913 by Carl Jantzen. The modern bikini was invented by French engineer Louis Réard in 1946. He named it after Bikini Island in the Pacific, the site of the Operation Crossroads nuclear test on July 1, 1946, believing that the burst of excitement it caused would be as explosive as a nuclear device. After Jacques Heim had called his bikini precursor the Atome in view of its size, Louis Réard claimed to have "split the Atome" to make it even smaller. During the second half of the 20th century, it rapidly gained favor, possibly as a result of its appearance in the first Miss World contest and in various iconic films, such as Dr. No and One Million Years B.C.. It also lead on to other 'beach fashion wear' such as the "-kini family".
The bikini is not without controversy: the question of 'body image' and who should wear the bikini arise; certain Nations regard the bikini as degrading to women; and concerns over 'safe sun, as well as safe sex' have arisen.
This is almost word for word the current lead, with some additions. You are welcome to modify or change this, but I don't feel that it should be shortened. I was not objecting all that strongly about your original second sentence, as such; just that it was out of proportion in regard to the original first sentence (which needed to be made longer).
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
A wide-ranging, comprehensive, well-referenced article
I'm awarding GA-status with immediate effect; and suggest that you consider WP:FAC. I suspect, that the article has all the technical content in place, but there will be the "pain" of meeting their more stringent requirements, such as an in-line citation for every statement, and all references in the "proper" formate, i.e. {cite web}, {cite book}, etc for every ref.
Congratulations on the work to date. Pyrotec ( talk) 16:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)