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The Philippine Commonwealth Army (PCA) was also known as the Commonwealth Army of the Philippines (CAP) (official name Hukbong Katihan ng Komonwelt ng Pilipinas in Filipino and Ejercito Mancomunidad Filipina or Ejercito Mancomunidad de Filipinas in Spanish) is the main branch and ground force of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) (1935-1946), United States Armed Forces in the Far East (USAFFE) (1941-1946) and the United States Armed Forces in the Philippines - Northern Luzon (USAFIP-NL) (1942-1946)
This edit added Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army to a WW-II battle article. It was quickly reverted here, and that was quickly unreverted here. Hopoefully that won't develop into an edit war. A number of edits similar to the first one mentioned here, adding this categorization to WW-II baattle articles, have been made; some of which are linked from here.
I haven't seen any discussion, but the question seems to be whether the Philippine Commonwealth Army as an entity was involved in these WW-II battles. I don't know the answer to that question, but the content of this article seems to clearly answer it "Yes". However, I happen to have a copy of Jose, Ricardo Trota (1992), The Philippine Army, 1935-1942, Ateneo University Press, ISBN 978-971-550-081-4 on my bookshelf, and thought to look in that. It doesn't have much to say about the WW-II era, but does say that the Philippine Army was "called to U.S. service" under provisions of the Tydings-McDuffie Act. It quotes a 27 July telegram from President Roosevelt to High Commissioner Francis B. Sayre:
The President on July 26th issued order calling Philippine Army into service of United States at time to be fixed by General MacArthur who has been called to active duty and designated as Commanding General Forces in the Far East, including the Philippine Department and the Philippine Army. Please advise president Quezon
The book goes on to say that MacArthur issued USAFFE General Order No. 1 on the same day. The book says that initial plans were not to absorb the Philippine Army at once but to merge units selectively. It also says "All Philippine Army units ... were to 'maintain their own national integrity,'"". Perhaps this article ought to mention some of this. Digging around a bit, I came across [1] and [2], which might be useful.
I will suggest that editors involved in the additions and deletions to WW-II battle articles mentioned above take a look at this comment and possibly come to a consensus here regarding which WW-II battle articles should link to Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
The major task of the hurriedly assembled staff of Headquarters, USAFFE, was to work out a plan for the mobilization, training, and supply of the Philippine Army. Within a few days of his appointment, General MacArthur had selected 1 September as the day when mobilization of the Philippine Army would start. This left thirty days in which to select camp sites, enlarge and improve existing camps for the first reservists, and build new camps.
The integration of the armed forces of the Philippine Commonwealth into the service of the United States was to be gradual. Elements of the ten reserve divisions were to be called into service at regular intervals until 15 December 1941, when the mobilization would be complete. The Philippine Army Air Corps would be inducted separately. Reserve units engaged in their normal yearly training were not to be inducted unless war came. It was hoped in this way to continue the development of the Commonwealth's defense program and at the same time mobilize and train the Philippine Army. Commonwealth forces coming under United States control would retain their national integrity; they would have their own uniforms, rations, military law, scale of pay, and promotion list; would requisition through their own supply channel until 1 December; but would be paid by the U. S. Army. The Regular Army of the Philippine Commonwealth and the Constabulary were not to be inducted immediately.
A construction program was to be started immediately since there was only enough housing for about one third of the 75,000 men scheduled for induction. Camp sites would have to be selected and facilities for training built. The first units called would use existing or temporary quarters and, as camps were completed, additional units would be inducted. By 15 December, when the last units would be mobilized, the entire construction program would be completed.
Recently there has been an effort to include this category in battles and campaigns which this organization was involved in. Generally, for other organizations, these fall within a subcategory like Organization X in Conflict Y. Perhaps a subcategory needs to be created for this category that allows for such categorization, without those articles being categorized here which should be primarily for articles about this organization. There is already a sub-category for personnel, why not a subcategory for conflicts/battles/campaigns-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 22:25, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
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Talk:Philippines Campaign (1941–42) "The Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army issue"
Question and observation: Is this the right place to develop ideas on this issue? Should it move to military history or elsewhere?
I have checked similar categories and results are mixed. Category:United States Marine Corps in World War II is what the category at issue would look like if we agree to place it on Philippine "battle" pages. As I noted before, and this is I think a critical point, the Commonwealth forces were totally engaged on home territory—not just some of them as with USMC but all of them. Their position is really analogous to the U.S. ground forces in 1812. So, if the USMC gets to list its Philippine battles on its category page then certainly the "Philippine Commonwealth Army" should get equal billing. On the other hand the USMC seems unique in the U.S. force categories. A survey of "battle pages" with USA, USAAF, USN do not seem to behave in the same way with battles tending to fall in Category:Battles of World War II involving the United States which would be nonsense redundancy for essentially "Battles of the Philippines in World War II involving the Philippines"!
At the moment I am leaning toward Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army becoming a subcategory of something like Category:Armed forces of the Philippine Commonwealth (though articles here are sparse indeed on the other branches that essentially died at birth) and a subcategory of each of those along the lines of Battles (Engagements?) of xxxxx to put on pages such as this one. The USMC would still be then be an outlier—or a model for this category. Palmeira ( talk) 20:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The data here seems too specific to be just made up, yet there is no source citation. Where does this all come from? (Though I have a hard time believing the Filipino military and resistance groups suffered nearly 1.3 million casualties during the war...) The Pittsburgher ( talk) 00:44, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
This unsupported WP:BOLD change, consisting of two edits, asserts: "The Philippine Army as it is now evolved from the Philippine Revolutionary Army ( Filipino: Panghimagsikang Hukbo ng Pilipinas / Hukbong Pilipinong Mapaghimagsik; Spanish: Ejército Revolucionario Filipino), later renamed Philippine Republican Army ( Filipino: Hukbong Katihan ng Republika ng Pilipinas; Spanish: Ejército en la República de la Filipina) which was established on March 22, 1897 in Cavite". This unsupported change flouted WP:BURDEN and, as far as I can tell, is simply not factual. I have reverted it.
Please consider this talk page section to be the Discussion phase of a WP:BRD Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle and discuss this matter here as needed in order to reach a consensus about this. Please cite applicable supporting sources here to support assertions. Also, please refer to other relevant WP articles ( Philippine Revolutionary Army Philippine Army, Philippine Scouts, Philippine Constabulary, probably others) and discuss the relationship with them as needed. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:35, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Good day. If this article is meant only intended to cover 1935 to 1946, then the title is confusing. It seems this used to be called "Philippine Commonwealth Army" but this was changed due to lack of documentary support. Further description in parenthesis may allay confusion. I suggest Philippine Army (1935-1946). Thanks. - MistahPeemayer ( talk) 02:21, 11 January 2024 (UTCT
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The Philippine Commonwealth Army (PCA) was also known as the Commonwealth Army of the Philippines (CAP) (official name Hukbong Katihan ng Komonwelt ng Pilipinas in Filipino and Ejercito Mancomunidad Filipina or Ejercito Mancomunidad de Filipinas in Spanish) is the main branch and ground force of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) (1935-1946), United States Armed Forces in the Far East (USAFFE) (1941-1946) and the United States Armed Forces in the Philippines - Northern Luzon (USAFIP-NL) (1942-1946)
This edit added Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army to a WW-II battle article. It was quickly reverted here, and that was quickly unreverted here. Hopoefully that won't develop into an edit war. A number of edits similar to the first one mentioned here, adding this categorization to WW-II baattle articles, have been made; some of which are linked from here.
I haven't seen any discussion, but the question seems to be whether the Philippine Commonwealth Army as an entity was involved in these WW-II battles. I don't know the answer to that question, but the content of this article seems to clearly answer it "Yes". However, I happen to have a copy of Jose, Ricardo Trota (1992), The Philippine Army, 1935-1942, Ateneo University Press, ISBN 978-971-550-081-4 on my bookshelf, and thought to look in that. It doesn't have much to say about the WW-II era, but does say that the Philippine Army was "called to U.S. service" under provisions of the Tydings-McDuffie Act. It quotes a 27 July telegram from President Roosevelt to High Commissioner Francis B. Sayre:
The President on July 26th issued order calling Philippine Army into service of United States at time to be fixed by General MacArthur who has been called to active duty and designated as Commanding General Forces in the Far East, including the Philippine Department and the Philippine Army. Please advise president Quezon
The book goes on to say that MacArthur issued USAFFE General Order No. 1 on the same day. The book says that initial plans were not to absorb the Philippine Army at once but to merge units selectively. It also says "All Philippine Army units ... were to 'maintain their own national integrity,'"". Perhaps this article ought to mention some of this. Digging around a bit, I came across [1] and [2], which might be useful.
I will suggest that editors involved in the additions and deletions to WW-II battle articles mentioned above take a look at this comment and possibly come to a consensus here regarding which WW-II battle articles should link to Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
The major task of the hurriedly assembled staff of Headquarters, USAFFE, was to work out a plan for the mobilization, training, and supply of the Philippine Army. Within a few days of his appointment, General MacArthur had selected 1 September as the day when mobilization of the Philippine Army would start. This left thirty days in which to select camp sites, enlarge and improve existing camps for the first reservists, and build new camps.
The integration of the armed forces of the Philippine Commonwealth into the service of the United States was to be gradual. Elements of the ten reserve divisions were to be called into service at regular intervals until 15 December 1941, when the mobilization would be complete. The Philippine Army Air Corps would be inducted separately. Reserve units engaged in their normal yearly training were not to be inducted unless war came. It was hoped in this way to continue the development of the Commonwealth's defense program and at the same time mobilize and train the Philippine Army. Commonwealth forces coming under United States control would retain their national integrity; they would have their own uniforms, rations, military law, scale of pay, and promotion list; would requisition through their own supply channel until 1 December; but would be paid by the U. S. Army. The Regular Army of the Philippine Commonwealth and the Constabulary were not to be inducted immediately.
A construction program was to be started immediately since there was only enough housing for about one third of the 75,000 men scheduled for induction. Camp sites would have to be selected and facilities for training built. The first units called would use existing or temporary quarters and, as camps were completed, additional units would be inducted. By 15 December, when the last units would be mobilized, the entire construction program would be completed.
Recently there has been an effort to include this category in battles and campaigns which this organization was involved in. Generally, for other organizations, these fall within a subcategory like Organization X in Conflict Y. Perhaps a subcategory needs to be created for this category that allows for such categorization, without those articles being categorized here which should be primarily for articles about this organization. There is already a sub-category for personnel, why not a subcategory for conflicts/battles/campaigns-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 22:25, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
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Talk:Philippines Campaign (1941–42) "The Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army issue"
Question and observation: Is this the right place to develop ideas on this issue? Should it move to military history or elsewhere?
I have checked similar categories and results are mixed. Category:United States Marine Corps in World War II is what the category at issue would look like if we agree to place it on Philippine "battle" pages. As I noted before, and this is I think a critical point, the Commonwealth forces were totally engaged on home territory—not just some of them as with USMC but all of them. Their position is really analogous to the U.S. ground forces in 1812. So, if the USMC gets to list its Philippine battles on its category page then certainly the "Philippine Commonwealth Army" should get equal billing. On the other hand the USMC seems unique in the U.S. force categories. A survey of "battle pages" with USA, USAAF, USN do not seem to behave in the same way with battles tending to fall in Category:Battles of World War II involving the United States which would be nonsense redundancy for essentially "Battles of the Philippines in World War II involving the Philippines"!
At the moment I am leaning toward Category:Philippine Commonwealth Army becoming a subcategory of something like Category:Armed forces of the Philippine Commonwealth (though articles here are sparse indeed on the other branches that essentially died at birth) and a subcategory of each of those along the lines of Battles (Engagements?) of xxxxx to put on pages such as this one. The USMC would still be then be an outlier—or a model for this category. Palmeira ( talk) 20:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
The data here seems too specific to be just made up, yet there is no source citation. Where does this all come from? (Though I have a hard time believing the Filipino military and resistance groups suffered nearly 1.3 million casualties during the war...) The Pittsburgher ( talk) 00:44, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
This unsupported WP:BOLD change, consisting of two edits, asserts: "The Philippine Army as it is now evolved from the Philippine Revolutionary Army ( Filipino: Panghimagsikang Hukbo ng Pilipinas / Hukbong Pilipinong Mapaghimagsik; Spanish: Ejército Revolucionario Filipino), later renamed Philippine Republican Army ( Filipino: Hukbong Katihan ng Republika ng Pilipinas; Spanish: Ejército en la República de la Filipina) which was established on March 22, 1897 in Cavite". This unsupported change flouted WP:BURDEN and, as far as I can tell, is simply not factual. I have reverted it.
Please consider this talk page section to be the Discussion phase of a WP:BRD Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle and discuss this matter here as needed in order to reach a consensus about this. Please cite applicable supporting sources here to support assertions. Also, please refer to other relevant WP articles ( Philippine Revolutionary Army Philippine Army, Philippine Scouts, Philippine Constabulary, probably others) and discuss the relationship with them as needed. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:35, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Good day. If this article is meant only intended to cover 1935 to 1946, then the title is confusing. It seems this used to be called "Philippine Commonwealth Army" but this was changed due to lack of documentary support. Further description in parenthesis may allay confusion. I suggest Philippine Army (1935-1946). Thanks. - MistahPeemayer ( talk) 02:21, 11 January 2024 (UTCT