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Wait, if this is only going to cover up to 1799, should we rename this article History of the Jews in Israel of Antiquity ? Maybe it would be better to have this article complete the history in a summarial fashion up until the present, and allow other articles, like the British Mandate of Palestine to elaborate the details of those other periods? - Eric 19:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
"Israel" is defined as where Jews came from. It's like saying "History of the French in France". Duh. Fourtildas ( talk) 06:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The information mentioned in this section relies on one source, A History of Palestine that is. The Jews almost single-handedly defended Haifa against the Crusaders I think this is not totally correct. Yamanam ( talk) 21:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't plan on becoming a regular editor of this article, but I was bored this afternoon and did some bold editing. So I'd like to explain what I've done, and make some suggestions if anyone cares to take them up.
First, the article is, in my view, far too focused on political history. It's meant to be a history of the Jewish people, not a record of events. That means, for a start, that it should be paying far more attention to such basic things as demographic change ("people" means the masses).
Second, it needs some definitions. If it's a history of the Jewish people, then define Jew. If it's about the Jews in the Land of Israel, define that. Those two things need to appear at the very top of the article.
Third, it needs to get away from simply rehashing the bible. There are plenty of scholarly works about the Jews and their history, and I've added resources (Bibliography) some for the period from the emergence of Israel in the early Iron Age to the Second Temple period.
Fourth, it's far too detailed. It might be an idea to divide the coverage into a few basic periods to begin with - pre-Exilic, post-Exilic, Classical, Islamic, Modern. If these need to be subdivided it will become apparent, but start with the broad-brush approach.
All the best.. (I like the illustrations - keep them). PiCo ( talk) 06:45, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Glaring omission. Chesdovi ( talk) 22:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
The idea that early israel is polytheistic is absurd and needs very credible evidence in the face of the early bible's specific statement in support of monotheism.
In addition the statnets indicating that the history is 'made up' must also be supported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairnsquare ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I would have to question the statement that there are specific passages throughout the Bible that would imply the remote possiblity of more than one god. There needs to be a verified way of bringing this idea to the forefront instead of a blanket statement such as this. The first commandment states that you will have no other god before me, the second states that you will not have any graven image, or likeness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.244.11.164 ( talk) 03:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
"After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.[53]" This statement says that there were "Christian" rule in Jerusalem from around AD 140. Constantine and Licinius edict of tolerance against Christians appeared in AD 313 and there were no "Christian" rule in Jerusalem from that day. Christians were more or less persecuted in most of the fourth century. A better statement could be: "After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was the first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Roman / Byzantine rule, except Tisha B'Av and the Jewish revolt of AD 613-614, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. Reirbyggar ( talk) 17:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Fortunately this is the same article already. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
A good article in Wikipedia on the Israel-Palestine issueeventually be eventually settled so that both sides are happy with it. This article has a long way to go. It also clearly written by someon with a good knowledge of English. However the use of idiomatic phrases is sometimes off-centre.
In 1917, at the end of World War I - It ended in 1918. Israel (known at the time as South Western Syria) - What became Israel in 1948 is only part of what was South Western Syria.
Today's Israel - A native English speaker would never put a capital T.
In 1947, following increasing levels of violence, the British government withdrew from Palestine. - the British withdrew in 1948.
into two states, Jewish and Arab. What about the City of Jerusalem. Resolution 181(II) describes the Arab state before the Jewish state. 9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_181]
the adoption of the Partition Plan by the United Nations General Assembly - What was adopted was not the Plan but a recommendation to adopt and implement the plan. The first assumes the UNGA has greater powers that it acuall was given under the UN Charter. Many articles make the same mistake and I have spent the last few weeks altering any number containing the error. Even the Declaration of 14 May 1948 makes the same mistake - AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY
David Ben-Gurion, made a declaration of independence and the state of Israel was established - Israel was established only when it had defeated the Arab armies. I have used the words of the official English translation. It is worth noting the use of the phrase in Eretz-Israel. To comply with resolution 181, Ben-Gurion should have perhps used a phrase such as in the area set aside for the Jewish state in Resolution 181(II) of the United Nation General Assembly. The failure to limit the new state to the area covered in Resolution 181 could be construed as evidence of the new state having different ideas, thereby justifying the invasion by the Arab states.
to be continued. Trahelliven ( talk) 02:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the United Nations General Assembly, the Palestinian Arab leadership rejected the plan to create the, as yet unnamed, Jewish State and launched a guerilla war. - I omitted to mention the deletion of the suggestion that the responsibility for the civil war was solely that of the Arabs. The discussion is best left to the article 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. In any event there is not a single reference in the whole paragragh. Trahelliven ( talk) 05:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I notice the article has the notice "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (October 2007)"
Since the only sources are Zionist advocacy sites which obviously don't meet Wikipedia's standards, the entire article should be deleted. This may seem extreme, but it seems it is the only way to get people to include proper citations. Although there would not be much left of the article if it had to have proper citations. So I will delete it. Fourtildas ( talk) 07:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is incomplete with very limited and one sided sources - ignoring many more authoritative and complete sources. It includes none of the academically accepted and respected scholars.I does not meet Wikipedia criteria and has a clearly political agenda. It should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.32.11.172 ( talk) 04:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
It was proposed that the History of the Jewish community in Palestine be merged into this article. Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Further to the apparent consensus above, I carried out the merge. Oncenawhile ( talk) 18:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Is anyone prepared to complete the lead? Trahelliven ( talk) 01:38, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
There's a problem with the Dawson quote on the lack of permanent settlers and (Arabic) nationalism in the area prior to Jewish settlers in the late 19th century. I've come across this because I'be been challenged to look for evidence to a fact I often read and keep citing to anti-Semites who demand that Israel should give "Palestine back to the Palestines", which is that the area was sparsely populated, especially not by any Arab settlers, except for some Ottoman officials and itinerant Beduin tribes that walked in and out of the area without any idea of a "Palestine", before the Jewish settlers arrived, and no Arab ever cared about the land up until the Jewish settlers had turned the desert fruitful again.
So, the problem with said Dawson quote is that all that Google coughs up for that quote is Wikipedia and other people quoting from the book, but no genuine source. Archive.org holds three different searchable editions (Montreal 1888, London 1888, plus an undated "revised" edition with a preface for the second edition dated 1892) of Modern Science in Bible Lands, two of them don't even have 450 pages (as p. 450 is where the quote is supposed to be from), and none holds the quote: [1] Same about this searchable edition on Google Books: [2]
From what I've gathered browsing through the three available editions on Archive.org, it would also be rather strange for Dawson to be making definite statements on any modern nationalisms or ethnic makeover within the area, because all he seems to care about is his basic thesis of using geological, geographical, and archeological facts to prove the Bible right about things such as the Great Flood. -- 217.225.210.31 ( talk) 21:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I propose changing the article's name from "History of the Jews in the Land of Israel" to "History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel". This new name makes so much more sense and fits perfectly. That is because Judaism's history and the religion itself have a lot do with the Land of Israel. Since the page "History of Judaism in the Land of Israel" doesn't exist, and because this article already has extensive coverage about Judaism's history in the Land of Israel, this new move will do the job. Please share your thought on this, thanks, Shalom11111 ( talk) 19:59, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
There were no Jews in Transjordan, Transjordan isn't "land of Israel", so why is this map even here?? Makeandtoss ( talk) 09:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
sorry, but no. I am going to go by what reliable historians, published in a peer-reviewed journal say -
[3], not what a couple anonymous Wikipedia editors say in a "FAQ" that they put together, all by themselves.
Epson Salts (
talk) 03:21, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Look, it is pointless and tiresome to debate with someone who has no grasp of even basic facts. Your false claim that there were never any Jews in Transjordan was one example, this is another. Have a read:
San Remo conference
Epson Salts (
talk) 14:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Epson Salts is a sockpuppet of NoCal100 and has been blocked. Ive stricken his comments here. nableezy - 20:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Some typographic error corrections - (1) Section: 'Classical era'; Subsection: 'Roman era'; 3rd paragraph; 2nd sentence: change "...and heroic last stand..." to "...and the heroic last stand..." (2) Section: 'Classical era'; Subsection: 'Roman era'; 8th paragraph (2nd to last); 4th sentence: change "...centered in the Galilee." to "...centered in Galilee." Greg Stokley ( talk) 16:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
The removal of "the" - Not done - could be centered in "the region of Galilee" or "in the Galilee" but "in Galilee" sounds weird
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Two typo errors to correct. (1) Section: Classical era; Subsection: Roman era; 3rd paragraph; 2nd sentence: Change "... the siege of Jerusalem (69–70 CE) and the heroic last stand at Gamla where 9,000 died and Massada (72–73 CE)..." to the following → "... the siege of Jerusalem (69–70 CE), the heroic last stand at Gamla, where 9,000 died, and Massada (72–73 CE)..." Changes are to replace and after "(69-70 CE)" with a comma, and add commas before "where" and after "9,000 died". (2) Section: Classical era; Subsection: Roman era; 8th (second to last) paragraph; 4th sentence: Change "... in the Galilee." to this → "... in Galilee." The change is deleting the word "the" before "Galilee". Greg Stokley ( talk) 00:01, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Blocked page to me... Can somebody add that 1500 jews died in winter 1917... thanks-- Iudaeorum ( talk) 21:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
There's new DNA research on Canaanites, can somebody edit the article and add some info about this?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/05/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews/ Sitak87 ( talk) 22:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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To editor Reenem: This is an anonymous article from an organization internationally known for its propaganda. Please try to stick to scholarly sources. Zero talk 06:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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The fourth sentence should be changed from "During biblical times, two kingdoms occupied the highland zone" to "During biblical times, two Jewish kingdoms occupied the highland zone" 77.124.94.250 ( talk) 15:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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The source of the statement that the Israelites were an outgrowth of the Canaanites is false. Whoever wrote that piece should study the history of ancient Israel because the source states various false statements. Jake pres ( talk) 19:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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The above debate has raised a clearer issue regarding this page: it has been sorely under attended and is need of particular attention in many key areas.
To address a key point made above: “a misportrayal of the contents of the page, which is overwhelmingly about Jews and the history of communities, not Judaism, which receives barely a mention on the page after the 7th century.”
To merely propose that the “Judaism” component of the page title be removed because this element seems to have been under addressed is a missed opportunity to properly explore the connection between Jews and Judaism that the page’s author very wisely conflated in its inception. Judaism is an ethno-religion whose genesis is based in a particular region of the world from which *both* the ethnic group and its religious observance emerge. It is important that additional sections be added to explore the ethno-religious genesis so this article doesn’t merely become a history of Jews in the Land of Israel. We already have separate articles for that, and - like I said - a huge missed opportunity for a nuanced and necessary article meant to explore the dual elements central to the genesis of a people and their religion. Mistamystery ( talk) 04:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
This article is about the genesis of both the people and the religion within not only the land in which they emerged, but their continued relationship with that land (and concepts of, relationship to) in context of their ethno-national-religious developmentpretty much makes this point for me. Selfstudier ( talk) 08:18, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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Wait, if this is only going to cover up to 1799, should we rename this article History of the Jews in Israel of Antiquity ? Maybe it would be better to have this article complete the history in a summarial fashion up until the present, and allow other articles, like the British Mandate of Palestine to elaborate the details of those other periods? - Eric 19:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
"Israel" is defined as where Jews came from. It's like saying "History of the French in France". Duh. Fourtildas ( talk) 06:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
The information mentioned in this section relies on one source, A History of Palestine that is. The Jews almost single-handedly defended Haifa against the Crusaders I think this is not totally correct. Yamanam ( talk) 21:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't plan on becoming a regular editor of this article, but I was bored this afternoon and did some bold editing. So I'd like to explain what I've done, and make some suggestions if anyone cares to take them up.
First, the article is, in my view, far too focused on political history. It's meant to be a history of the Jewish people, not a record of events. That means, for a start, that it should be paying far more attention to such basic things as demographic change ("people" means the masses).
Second, it needs some definitions. If it's a history of the Jewish people, then define Jew. If it's about the Jews in the Land of Israel, define that. Those two things need to appear at the very top of the article.
Third, it needs to get away from simply rehashing the bible. There are plenty of scholarly works about the Jews and their history, and I've added resources (Bibliography) some for the period from the emergence of Israel in the early Iron Age to the Second Temple period.
Fourth, it's far too detailed. It might be an idea to divide the coverage into a few basic periods to begin with - pre-Exilic, post-Exilic, Classical, Islamic, Modern. If these need to be subdivided it will become apparent, but start with the broad-brush approach.
All the best.. (I like the illustrations - keep them). PiCo ( talk) 06:45, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Glaring omission. Chesdovi ( talk) 22:09, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
The idea that early israel is polytheistic is absurd and needs very credible evidence in the face of the early bible's specific statement in support of monotheism.
In addition the statnets indicating that the history is 'made up' must also be supported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fairnsquare ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I would have to question the statement that there are specific passages throughout the Bible that would imply the remote possiblity of more than one god. There needs to be a verified way of bringing this idea to the forefront instead of a blanket statement such as this. The first commandment states that you will have no other god before me, the second states that you will not have any graven image, or likeness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.244.11.164 ( talk) 03:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
"After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.[53]" This statement says that there were "Christian" rule in Jerusalem from around AD 140. Constantine and Licinius edict of tolerance against Christians appeared in AD 313 and there were no "Christian" rule in Jerusalem from that day. Christians were more or less persecuted in most of the fourth century. A better statement could be: "After the conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was the first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Roman / Byzantine rule, except Tisha B'Av and the Jewish revolt of AD 613-614, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. Reirbyggar ( talk) 17:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Fortunately this is the same article already. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
A good article in Wikipedia on the Israel-Palestine issueeventually be eventually settled so that both sides are happy with it. This article has a long way to go. It also clearly written by someon with a good knowledge of English. However the use of idiomatic phrases is sometimes off-centre.
In 1917, at the end of World War I - It ended in 1918. Israel (known at the time as South Western Syria) - What became Israel in 1948 is only part of what was South Western Syria.
Today's Israel - A native English speaker would never put a capital T.
In 1947, following increasing levels of violence, the British government withdrew from Palestine. - the British withdrew in 1948.
into two states, Jewish and Arab. What about the City of Jerusalem. Resolution 181(II) describes the Arab state before the Jewish state. 9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_181]
the adoption of the Partition Plan by the United Nations General Assembly - What was adopted was not the Plan but a recommendation to adopt and implement the plan. The first assumes the UNGA has greater powers that it acuall was given under the UN Charter. Many articles make the same mistake and I have spent the last few weeks altering any number containing the error. Even the Declaration of 14 May 1948 makes the same mistake - AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY
David Ben-Gurion, made a declaration of independence and the state of Israel was established - Israel was established only when it had defeated the Arab armies. I have used the words of the official English translation. It is worth noting the use of the phrase in Eretz-Israel. To comply with resolution 181, Ben-Gurion should have perhps used a phrase such as in the area set aside for the Jewish state in Resolution 181(II) of the United Nation General Assembly. The failure to limit the new state to the area covered in Resolution 181 could be construed as evidence of the new state having different ideas, thereby justifying the invasion by the Arab states.
to be continued. Trahelliven ( talk) 02:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Immediately following the adoption of the Partition Plan by the United Nations General Assembly, the Palestinian Arab leadership rejected the plan to create the, as yet unnamed, Jewish State and launched a guerilla war. - I omitted to mention the deletion of the suggestion that the responsibility for the civil war was solely that of the Arabs. The discussion is best left to the article 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. In any event there is not a single reference in the whole paragragh. Trahelliven ( talk) 05:16, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I notice the article has the notice "This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (October 2007)"
Since the only sources are Zionist advocacy sites which obviously don't meet Wikipedia's standards, the entire article should be deleted. This may seem extreme, but it seems it is the only way to get people to include proper citations. Although there would not be much left of the article if it had to have proper citations. So I will delete it. Fourtildas ( talk) 07:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
This article is incomplete with very limited and one sided sources - ignoring many more authoritative and complete sources. It includes none of the academically accepted and respected scholars.I does not meet Wikipedia criteria and has a clearly political agenda. It should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.32.11.172 ( talk) 04:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
It was proposed that the History of the Jewish community in Palestine be merged into this article. Greyshark09 ( talk) 16:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Further to the apparent consensus above, I carried out the merge. Oncenawhile ( talk) 18:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Is anyone prepared to complete the lead? Trahelliven ( talk) 01:38, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
There's a problem with the Dawson quote on the lack of permanent settlers and (Arabic) nationalism in the area prior to Jewish settlers in the late 19th century. I've come across this because I'be been challenged to look for evidence to a fact I often read and keep citing to anti-Semites who demand that Israel should give "Palestine back to the Palestines", which is that the area was sparsely populated, especially not by any Arab settlers, except for some Ottoman officials and itinerant Beduin tribes that walked in and out of the area without any idea of a "Palestine", before the Jewish settlers arrived, and no Arab ever cared about the land up until the Jewish settlers had turned the desert fruitful again.
So, the problem with said Dawson quote is that all that Google coughs up for that quote is Wikipedia and other people quoting from the book, but no genuine source. Archive.org holds three different searchable editions (Montreal 1888, London 1888, plus an undated "revised" edition with a preface for the second edition dated 1892) of Modern Science in Bible Lands, two of them don't even have 450 pages (as p. 450 is where the quote is supposed to be from), and none holds the quote: [1] Same about this searchable edition on Google Books: [2]
From what I've gathered browsing through the three available editions on Archive.org, it would also be rather strange for Dawson to be making definite statements on any modern nationalisms or ethnic makeover within the area, because all he seems to care about is his basic thesis of using geological, geographical, and archeological facts to prove the Bible right about things such as the Great Flood. -- 217.225.210.31 ( talk) 21:42, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I propose changing the article's name from "History of the Jews in the Land of Israel" to "History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel". This new name makes so much more sense and fits perfectly. That is because Judaism's history and the religion itself have a lot do with the Land of Israel. Since the page "History of Judaism in the Land of Israel" doesn't exist, and because this article already has extensive coverage about Judaism's history in the Land of Israel, this new move will do the job. Please share your thought on this, thanks, Shalom11111 ( talk) 19:59, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
There were no Jews in Transjordan, Transjordan isn't "land of Israel", so why is this map even here?? Makeandtoss ( talk) 09:00, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
sorry, but no. I am going to go by what reliable historians, published in a peer-reviewed journal say -
[3], not what a couple anonymous Wikipedia editors say in a "FAQ" that they put together, all by themselves.
Epson Salts (
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Look, it is pointless and tiresome to debate with someone who has no grasp of even basic facts. Your false claim that there were never any Jews in Transjordan was one example, this is another. Have a read:
San Remo conference
Epson Salts (
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Epson Salts is a sockpuppet of NoCal100 and has been blocked. Ive stricken his comments here. nableezy - 20:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
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Some typographic error corrections - (1) Section: 'Classical era'; Subsection: 'Roman era'; 3rd paragraph; 2nd sentence: change "...and heroic last stand..." to "...and the heroic last stand..." (2) Section: 'Classical era'; Subsection: 'Roman era'; 8th paragraph (2nd to last); 4th sentence: change "...centered in the Galilee." to "...centered in Galilee." Greg Stokley ( talk) 16:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
The removal of "the" - Not done - could be centered in "the region of Galilee" or "in the Galilee" but "in Galilee" sounds weird
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Two typo errors to correct. (1) Section: Classical era; Subsection: Roman era; 3rd paragraph; 2nd sentence: Change "... the siege of Jerusalem (69–70 CE) and the heroic last stand at Gamla where 9,000 died and Massada (72–73 CE)..." to the following → "... the siege of Jerusalem (69–70 CE), the heroic last stand at Gamla, where 9,000 died, and Massada (72–73 CE)..." Changes are to replace and after "(69-70 CE)" with a comma, and add commas before "where" and after "9,000 died". (2) Section: Classical era; Subsection: Roman era; 8th (second to last) paragraph; 4th sentence: Change "... in the Galilee." to this → "... in Galilee." The change is deleting the word "the" before "Galilee". Greg Stokley ( talk) 00:01, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Blocked page to me... Can somebody add that 1500 jews died in winter 1917... thanks-- Iudaeorum ( talk) 21:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
There's new DNA research on Canaanites, can somebody edit the article and add some info about this?
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/05/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews/ Sitak87 ( talk) 22:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of the Jews in Abkhazia which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 05:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
To editor Reenem: This is an anonymous article from an organization internationally known for its propaganda. Please try to stick to scholarly sources. Zero talk 06:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved ( non-admin closure) Zoozaz1 talk 23:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel →
History of Jews in Israel – This title needs
WP:CONCISE and
WP:CONSISTENT, but perhaps recently moved "
History of Jews in Poland" in shorter title, without using "the" before the sentence.
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The fourth sentence should be changed from "During biblical times, two kingdoms occupied the highland zone" to "During biblical times, two Jewish kingdoms occupied the highland zone" 77.124.94.250 ( talk) 15:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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The source of the statement that the Israelites were an outgrowth of the Canaanites is false. Whoever wrote that piece should study the history of ancient Israel because the source states various false statements. Jake pres ( talk) 19:12, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Proposal related to this article is here: Talk:History of Israel#Proposed split of modern history. Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 14:49, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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The above debate has raised a clearer issue regarding this page: it has been sorely under attended and is need of particular attention in many key areas.
To address a key point made above: “a misportrayal of the contents of the page, which is overwhelmingly about Jews and the history of communities, not Judaism, which receives barely a mention on the page after the 7th century.”
To merely propose that the “Judaism” component of the page title be removed because this element seems to have been under addressed is a missed opportunity to properly explore the connection between Jews and Judaism that the page’s author very wisely conflated in its inception. Judaism is an ethno-religion whose genesis is based in a particular region of the world from which *both* the ethnic group and its religious observance emerge. It is important that additional sections be added to explore the ethno-religious genesis so this article doesn’t merely become a history of Jews in the Land of Israel. We already have separate articles for that, and - like I said - a huge missed opportunity for a nuanced and necessary article meant to explore the dual elements central to the genesis of a people and their religion. Mistamystery ( talk) 04:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
This article is about the genesis of both the people and the religion within not only the land in which they emerged, but their continued relationship with that land (and concepts of, relationship to) in context of their ethno-national-religious developmentpretty much makes this point for me. Selfstudier ( talk) 08:18, 15 September 2023 (UTC)