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There are two conflicting accounts of when these counties joined the state, one under the legality heading (which says they were part of WV when it formed, but that was challenged by VA in 1866) and one under the civil war heading (which say they joined WV in 1866). [1] seems to support the first version, but does someone more knowledgable about the area know for sure? Kmusser 13:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
How was the line between Virginia and West Virginia decided? -- NE2 21:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I read the whole page carefully and I still don't understand what the reason was for the secession from Virginia. Lots of info on HOW, and none on WHY.
Why did West Virginians want to secede from Virginia? 198.49.180.254 20:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
SEE: "Wood County, West Virginia, in Civil War times: With an account of the guerrilla warfare in the Little Kanawha Valley" by H. E Matheny
Our people were starving to death in the winter of 1861 due to the Confederacy's commandeering along the lower Kanawha River. They robbed our packets hauling our farm produce and turned many away from forming Virginia policies. Matheny documents these troubled times in the Kanawha Region. His book includes rosters of Union recruits & where they were recruited. The book also contains the Virginia guerrilla and their female spies.
Rather than simply recite pro-Confederate babble that ordinary citizens of WV did not want to leave Virginia. I'd point you to most WV history textbooks which will go somewhat in depth as to the unfair representation given to Piedmont and Tidewater Virginia, based partially on its including slaves in its population count, and partially in property qualifications which favoured the Virginia aristocracy. Otis Rice's "West Virginia" has a good chapter #10 on the conflict with the east. Residents in the west felt they were not getting their share of roads and schools and their taxes were going to support other internal improvements in the east. It should be noted that most of Virginias constitutional conventions were held because of unrest in the west. The document wich came out the Constitutional Convention of 1829/30 every county in Western Virginia voted heavily against ratification. The censuse of 1840 found that 10 senators and 56 delegates represented the 271,000 white persons living west of the blue ridge and that only 19 senators and 78 delegates represented 269,000 people west of the blue ridge was the cause of the next constitutional convention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.9.50 ( talk) 18:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Waterway considerations of US Congress section
A user requested citations. I provided them. Somehow, they need put into the citation or notes section at the bottom. I don't know how to do this. Can one of you Wiki-experts do this, please?
Or, maybe the examples about steamboat navigation Legislation on West Virginia waters might just need deleted completely. Really though, I'm not so sure that legislations would be within the scope of West Virginia's early River Traffic, anyway. I guess it's a judgement call on the part of several thinking people who are major editors on this article. Please edit and fix my offerings as you better editors see fit, please.
Thanks for your patience, Conaughy ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
And, thanks for fixing the buffalo skin canoes section from Salling journal quote. That looks so much better now... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conaughy ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
hey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.182.210 ( talk) 23:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
"1862 an enabling act was approved by President Lincoln admitting West Virginia on the condition that a provision for the gradual abolition of slavery be inserted in the Constitution" The citations provided to support this claim are not satisfactory, I wish that someone would provide an actual copy of the original act. Right now it seems like "common knowledge" that President Lincoln wanted gradual abolition of salvery in WV. It seems like the sources that are being linked to are using it as such as well. There has to be a copy that can be used as a citation. -- Yxskaftet ( talk) 18:49, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I suspect I see the problem in that perhaps the sentence should read: "1862 an enabling act was approved by President Lincoln admitting West Virginia on the condition that a provision for the gradual abolition of slavery be inserted in the new State's Constitution". A clarification in phraseology, maybe? I didn't write the paragragh and I shall leave the edits to those editor's. However, this native West Virginian did understand without further clarifications of the implication to our State's Constitution... "the original act" was the Willey Amendment , Respectfully, Conaughy ( talk) 04:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wvmapagain.png contains a map with no key or legend whatsoever. It is impossible to tell which counties were for or against secession from the map, or otherwise what the colors white and cyan mean. In any case, the map below it shows no votes were returned from a number of southern counties, so it cannot be determined which way they voted in any case. The map needs to be improved, or removed and replaced with a better explanatory one. Avman89 ( talk) 16:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
Is this mentioned in the article and I just overlooked it? Is there a citation for the Supreme Court's reasoning as to how this applied to the formation of West Virginia that I also overlooked? -- Pawyilee ( talk) 11:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Any interest in creating a Timeline of West Virginia article? A few other U.S. states have timelines (see Category:Timelines of states of the United States). Here are some sources:
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I believe the origins of the word Kanawha are most likely coming from Kanawakhe, the Iroquois word for the St. Lawrence River, which basically translates out to "Rapids here." You just drop the ke/ geh at the end & get Kanawha. I think some tribes actually adopted this word as their term for the Iroquoian peoples as a race, as the Iroquois have always said that their ancestors were a single nation of people who lived in the St. Lawrence River Valley. The evidence is the "Book of Cheraw," which, although not being the most helpful book on history took a confused statement from a mixture of Saponi & Catawba on their own history & how they got there & part of that statement corroborates & sheds light on the Saponi belief that their ancestors came from Ohio. To paraphrase, 'They said they came from somewhere in the vicinity of Lake Erie several hundred years prior to European contact, but were driven from the region by the Caunawagan.' So, I think that would mean that the Kanawha tribe were the same tribe as the Little Mingo/ Tionontatecaga. Bobbotronica ( talk) 20:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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There are two conflicting accounts of when these counties joined the state, one under the legality heading (which says they were part of WV when it formed, but that was challenged by VA in 1866) and one under the civil war heading (which say they joined WV in 1866). [1] seems to support the first version, but does someone more knowledgable about the area know for sure? Kmusser 13:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
How was the line between Virginia and West Virginia decided? -- NE2 21:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I read the whole page carefully and I still don't understand what the reason was for the secession from Virginia. Lots of info on HOW, and none on WHY.
Why did West Virginians want to secede from Virginia? 198.49.180.254 20:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
SEE: "Wood County, West Virginia, in Civil War times: With an account of the guerrilla warfare in the Little Kanawha Valley" by H. E Matheny
Our people were starving to death in the winter of 1861 due to the Confederacy's commandeering along the lower Kanawha River. They robbed our packets hauling our farm produce and turned many away from forming Virginia policies. Matheny documents these troubled times in the Kanawha Region. His book includes rosters of Union recruits & where they were recruited. The book also contains the Virginia guerrilla and their female spies.
Rather than simply recite pro-Confederate babble that ordinary citizens of WV did not want to leave Virginia. I'd point you to most WV history textbooks which will go somewhat in depth as to the unfair representation given to Piedmont and Tidewater Virginia, based partially on its including slaves in its population count, and partially in property qualifications which favoured the Virginia aristocracy. Otis Rice's "West Virginia" has a good chapter #10 on the conflict with the east. Residents in the west felt they were not getting their share of roads and schools and their taxes were going to support other internal improvements in the east. It should be noted that most of Virginias constitutional conventions were held because of unrest in the west. The document wich came out the Constitutional Convention of 1829/30 every county in Western Virginia voted heavily against ratification. The censuse of 1840 found that 10 senators and 56 delegates represented the 271,000 white persons living west of the blue ridge and that only 19 senators and 78 delegates represented 269,000 people west of the blue ridge was the cause of the next constitutional convention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.9.50 ( talk) 18:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Waterway considerations of US Congress section
A user requested citations. I provided them. Somehow, they need put into the citation or notes section at the bottom. I don't know how to do this. Can one of you Wiki-experts do this, please?
Or, maybe the examples about steamboat navigation Legislation on West Virginia waters might just need deleted completely. Really though, I'm not so sure that legislations would be within the scope of West Virginia's early River Traffic, anyway. I guess it's a judgement call on the part of several thinking people who are major editors on this article. Please edit and fix my offerings as you better editors see fit, please.
Thanks for your patience, Conaughy ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
And, thanks for fixing the buffalo skin canoes section from Salling journal quote. That looks so much better now... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conaughy ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
hey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.182.210 ( talk) 23:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
"1862 an enabling act was approved by President Lincoln admitting West Virginia on the condition that a provision for the gradual abolition of slavery be inserted in the Constitution" The citations provided to support this claim are not satisfactory, I wish that someone would provide an actual copy of the original act. Right now it seems like "common knowledge" that President Lincoln wanted gradual abolition of salvery in WV. It seems like the sources that are being linked to are using it as such as well. There has to be a copy that can be used as a citation. -- Yxskaftet ( talk) 18:49, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I suspect I see the problem in that perhaps the sentence should read: "1862 an enabling act was approved by President Lincoln admitting West Virginia on the condition that a provision for the gradual abolition of slavery be inserted in the new State's Constitution". A clarification in phraseology, maybe? I didn't write the paragragh and I shall leave the edits to those editor's. However, this native West Virginian did understand without further clarifications of the implication to our State's Constitution... "the original act" was the Willey Amendment , Respectfully, Conaughy ( talk) 04:07, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
The image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wvmapagain.png contains a map with no key or legend whatsoever. It is impossible to tell which counties were for or against secession from the map, or otherwise what the colors white and cyan mean. In any case, the map below it shows no votes were returned from a number of southern counties, so it cannot be determined which way they voted in any case. The map needs to be improved, or removed and replaced with a better explanatory one. Avman89 ( talk) 16:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
Is this mentioned in the article and I just overlooked it? Is there a citation for the Supreme Court's reasoning as to how this applied to the formation of West Virginia that I also overlooked? -- Pawyilee ( talk) 11:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Any interest in creating a Timeline of West Virginia article? A few other U.S. states have timelines (see Category:Timelines of states of the United States). Here are some sources:
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I believe the origins of the word Kanawha are most likely coming from Kanawakhe, the Iroquois word for the St. Lawrence River, which basically translates out to "Rapids here." You just drop the ke/ geh at the end & get Kanawha. I think some tribes actually adopted this word as their term for the Iroquoian peoples as a race, as the Iroquois have always said that their ancestors were a single nation of people who lived in the St. Lawrence River Valley. The evidence is the "Book of Cheraw," which, although not being the most helpful book on history took a confused statement from a mixture of Saponi & Catawba on their own history & how they got there & part of that statement corroborates & sheds light on the Saponi belief that their ancestors came from Ohio. To paraphrase, 'They said they came from somewhere in the vicinity of Lake Erie several hundred years prior to European contact, but were driven from the region by the Caunawagan.' So, I think that would mean that the Kanawha tribe were the same tribe as the Little Mingo/ Tionontatecaga. Bobbotronica ( talk) 20:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)