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- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was moved by àŒ. -- BDD ( talk) 14:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
History of CĂŽte d'Ivoire (1960-1999) â History of Ivory Coast (1960-1999) â Is Ivory Coast common for this time period or is this like Danzig in World War II? Marcus Qwertyus ( talk) 13:32, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- As this was a French colony, French will be the lingua franca, so that the French name will be the official one. The question is whether the name should be translated into English. I suspect the common English name is (and always has been) Ivory Coast. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Your proposed name was the same as the current one, but it sounds like you wanted a move to Ivory Coast, so I've changed it accordingly. Trout me if I'm wrong. -- BDD ( talk) 18:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Support No compelling reason to differ from the parent article's title. -- BDD ( talk) 18:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Support. It wasn't until the death throes of the HouphouĂ«t-Boigny regime in the mid 1980s that the attempt to impose the (pseudo-)French name on English speakers was first proclaimed. So, for a majority of the period in question, the state was only referred to as "Ivory Coast" in English. (And the French name hasn't exactly been a hit since.) Therefore, the GdaĆsk vote doesn't really apply here. â  AjaxSmack 21:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Support. The English-language news media has called this country "Ivory Coast" all along, so it's not at all like Danzig. Kauffner ( talk) 14:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Support. Follow the title of the article of which this is a spin out, which is Ivory Coast. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'm carrying out a procedural close, as the article was moved by àŒ. This borders on disruptive behavior, but with no stated opposition to the move, this seems more reasonable than calling an admin in to reverse it until discussion closes on Friday. -- BDD ( talk) 14:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Wow, wow, wow. You guys won't believe this that I had NOT looked at this page BEFORE I renamed the article. Since the result of the RM on the talk page of Ivory Coast was to moved, so I checked every other articles that still used "CĂŽte d'Ivoire" and moved to "Ivory Coast". I didn't expect that there was a separated RM for this article. àŒ ( talk) 07:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- To not merge, on the grounds that the articles are indpendently notable and worthy of indepedendent discussion. Klbrain ( talk) 23:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
The merge of Pupils and Students Trade Union of CĂŽte d'Ivoire and Students and Pupils Movement of CĂŽte d'Ivoire were actually performed WP:BOLDly back in 2020 but my redirect of both has been undone now 2 years later as an undiscussed move. As there is little sourcing available to support the notability of the source articles, I believe the best WP:ATD is a merge. â PMCâ (talk) 03:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Soman pinging you as the reverting party, of course. â PMCâ (talk) 03:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - The notion that the main student organization in the country, with plenty of academic sources available as references, the sole legal student organization in country for over 30 years and effectively the school of the political elite would not be sufficiently notable for a stand-alone article is a clear-cut case of systematic bias. -- Soman ( talk) 12:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment, regarding USEECI;
- "Les faits dĂ©crits plus haut montrent Ă l'Ă©vidence que la crĂ©ation de l'USEECI en 1971 ne constituait pas Ă proprement parler une rupture d'avec des Ă©vĂ©nements du mĂȘme calibre survenus prĂ©cĂ©demment en 1956 , 1960 et 1969." [1]
- "Distribution by the latter's members [i.e. USEECI] of a tract couched in terms hardly favorable to the Government and MEECI , led the Ivory Coast authorities to forbid a meeting of the USEECI Provisional Central Committee in the last week of March. A â protest meeting â , followed by a well - suported strike , took place at the University ; the Government's response was to decide to close the University ." [2]
- "La création de l'Union Syndicale des Etudiants et ElÚves de CÎte d'Ivoire ( U.S.E.E.C.I. ) et l'arrestation de ses leaders en mars 1971 est encore un épisode des..." [3]
- "...Union syndicale des Ă©lĂšves et Ă©tudiants de CĂŽte - d'Ivoire ) . En mars 1971 tous les responsables de l'U.S.E.E.C.I . sont arrĂȘtĂ©s , bastonnĂ©s et emprisonnĂ©s dans les camps militaires d'AkouĂ©do et de SĂ©guĂ©la ( les filles seront ..." [4]
- "...pour contrebalancer la crĂ©ation du MEECI ( Mouvement des ĂlĂšves et Ătudiants de CĂŽte d'Ivoire ) trĂšs proche du pouvoir , avaient crĂ©Ă© un nouveau syndicat , l'USEECI ( Union Syndicale des Ătudiants et ĂlĂšves de CĂŽte d'Ivoire)." [5]
- "...contre le MEECI un comité provisoire des Etu diants « contestataires » qui prendra le nom de USEECI ( Union Syndicale des Etudiants et ElÚves de CÎte d'Ivoire ) ." [6]
- Barring that first source, the majority of those seem to be single-line or very short references to the USEECI in the context of the 1970s era student movement in Ivory Coast, especially in the context of it being in conflict with the regime-friendly MEECI. I'm not saying they're unreliable, but they're not enough SIGCOV to justify a separate article. It makes no sense to have separate articles about the two organizations when the entire student movement could be covered in a single article that provides context to both. â
PMCâ
(talk)
21:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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Soman? â
PMCâ
(talk)
09:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'd say the refs provided above give good indication of notability of USEECI. SIGCOV cannot be applied in mechanical way (here considering that the organization peaked in early 1970s, pre www), there is clearly affirmation of notability to warrant separate article. -- Soman ( talk) 12:42, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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Soman? â
PMCâ
(talk)
09:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Barring that first source, the majority of those seem to be single-line or very short references to the USEECI in the context of the 1970s era student movement in Ivory Coast, especially in the context of it being in conflict with the regime-friendly MEECI. I'm not saying they're unreliable, but they're not enough SIGCOV to justify a separate article. It makes no sense to have separate articles about the two organizations when the entire student movement could be covered in a single article that provides context to both. â
PMCâ
(talk)
21:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Pascal Dago Kokora (1999). Le Front populaire ivoirien: de la clandestinité à la légalité : le vécu d'un fondateur. Harmattan. p. 46. ISBN 978-2-7384-6219-0. OCLC 247746201.
- ^ Civilisations, Volume 21, Issues 1-3. Institut International des Civilisations Différentes. 1971. p. 100. OCLC 1554814.
- ^ Paul N'Da (1987). Les intellectuels et le pouvoir en Afrique noire. L'Harmattan. p. 105. ISBN 978-2-85802-818-4. OCLC 1023968555.
- ^ Peuples noirs, peuples africains, Issues 40-42. Ăditions des Peuples noirs. 1984. p. 141. OCLC 4877050.
- ^ Simone Ehivet Gbagbo (2007). Paroles d'honneur: un devoir de parole. PharosJ.-M. Laffont. p. 89. ISBN 978-2-7569-0071-1. OCLC 1057672053.
- ^ Tape Dimi Gagbo (1980). Jeunesse et parti unique: le mouvement des étudiants et élÚves de CÎte d'Ivoire. La pensée universelle. p. 67. OCLC 219942965.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was moved by àŒ. -- BDD ( talk) 14:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC) ( non-admin closure)
History of CĂŽte d'Ivoire (1960-1999) â History of Ivory Coast (1960-1999) â Is Ivory Coast common for this time period or is this like Danzig in World War II? Marcus Qwertyus ( talk) 13:32, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- As this was a French colony, French will be the lingua franca, so that the French name will be the official one. The question is whether the name should be translated into English. I suspect the common English name is (and always has been) Ivory Coast. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Your proposed name was the same as the current one, but it sounds like you wanted a move to Ivory Coast, so I've changed it accordingly. Trout me if I'm wrong. -- BDD ( talk) 18:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Support No compelling reason to differ from the parent article's title. -- BDD ( talk) 18:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Support. It wasn't until the death throes of the HouphouĂ«t-Boigny regime in the mid 1980s that the attempt to impose the (pseudo-)French name on English speakers was first proclaimed. So, for a majority of the period in question, the state was only referred to as "Ivory Coast" in English. (And the French name hasn't exactly been a hit since.) Therefore, the GdaĆsk vote doesn't really apply here. â  AjaxSmack 21:16, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
- Support. The English-language news media has called this country "Ivory Coast" all along, so it's not at all like Danzig. Kauffner ( talk) 14:48, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- Support. Follow the title of the article of which this is a spin out, which is Ivory Coast. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 12:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'm carrying out a procedural close, as the article was moved by àŒ. This borders on disruptive behavior, but with no stated opposition to the move, this seems more reasonable than calling an admin in to reverse it until discussion closes on Friday. -- BDD ( talk) 14:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Wow, wow, wow. You guys won't believe this that I had NOT looked at this page BEFORE I renamed the article. Since the result of the RM on the talk page of Ivory Coast was to moved, so I checked every other articles that still used "CĂŽte d'Ivoire" and moved to "Ivory Coast". I didn't expect that there was a separated RM for this article. àŒ ( talk) 07:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- To not merge, on the grounds that the articles are indpendently notable and worthy of indepedendent discussion. Klbrain ( talk) 23:07, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
The merge of Pupils and Students Trade Union of CĂŽte d'Ivoire and Students and Pupils Movement of CĂŽte d'Ivoire were actually performed WP:BOLDly back in 2020 but my redirect of both has been undone now 2 years later as an undiscussed move. As there is little sourcing available to support the notability of the source articles, I believe the best WP:ATD is a merge. â PMCâ (talk) 03:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Soman pinging you as the reverting party, of course. â PMCâ (talk) 03:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - The notion that the main student organization in the country, with plenty of academic sources available as references, the sole legal student organization in country for over 30 years and effectively the school of the political elite would not be sufficiently notable for a stand-alone article is a clear-cut case of systematic bias. -- Soman ( talk) 12:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment, regarding USEECI;
- "Les faits dĂ©crits plus haut montrent Ă l'Ă©vidence que la crĂ©ation de l'USEECI en 1971 ne constituait pas Ă proprement parler une rupture d'avec des Ă©vĂ©nements du mĂȘme calibre survenus prĂ©cĂ©demment en 1956 , 1960 et 1969." [1]
- "Distribution by the latter's members [i.e. USEECI] of a tract couched in terms hardly favorable to the Government and MEECI , led the Ivory Coast authorities to forbid a meeting of the USEECI Provisional Central Committee in the last week of March. A â protest meeting â , followed by a well - suported strike , took place at the University ; the Government's response was to decide to close the University ." [2]
- "La création de l'Union Syndicale des Etudiants et ElÚves de CÎte d'Ivoire ( U.S.E.E.C.I. ) et l'arrestation de ses leaders en mars 1971 est encore un épisode des..." [3]
- "...Union syndicale des Ă©lĂšves et Ă©tudiants de CĂŽte - d'Ivoire ) . En mars 1971 tous les responsables de l'U.S.E.E.C.I . sont arrĂȘtĂ©s , bastonnĂ©s et emprisonnĂ©s dans les camps militaires d'AkouĂ©do et de SĂ©guĂ©la ( les filles seront ..." [4]
- "...pour contrebalancer la crĂ©ation du MEECI ( Mouvement des ĂlĂšves et Ătudiants de CĂŽte d'Ivoire ) trĂšs proche du pouvoir , avaient crĂ©Ă© un nouveau syndicat , l'USEECI ( Union Syndicale des Ătudiants et ĂlĂšves de CĂŽte d'Ivoire)." [5]
- "...contre le MEECI un comité provisoire des Etu diants « contestataires » qui prendra le nom de USEECI ( Union Syndicale des Etudiants et ElÚves de CÎte d'Ivoire ) ." [6]
- Barring that first source, the majority of those seem to be single-line or very short references to the USEECI in the context of the 1970s era student movement in Ivory Coast, especially in the context of it being in conflict with the regime-friendly MEECI. I'm not saying they're unreliable, but they're not enough SIGCOV to justify a separate article. It makes no sense to have separate articles about the two organizations when the entire student movement could be covered in a single article that provides context to both. â
PMCâ
(talk)
21:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
-
Soman? â
PMCâ
(talk)
09:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'd say the refs provided above give good indication of notability of USEECI. SIGCOV cannot be applied in mechanical way (here considering that the organization peaked in early 1970s, pre www), there is clearly affirmation of notability to warrant separate article. -- Soman ( talk) 12:42, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
-
Soman? â
PMCâ
(talk)
09:16, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Barring that first source, the majority of those seem to be single-line or very short references to the USEECI in the context of the 1970s era student movement in Ivory Coast, especially in the context of it being in conflict with the regime-friendly MEECI. I'm not saying they're unreliable, but they're not enough SIGCOV to justify a separate article. It makes no sense to have separate articles about the two organizations when the entire student movement could be covered in a single article that provides context to both. â
PMCâ
(talk)
21:31, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Pascal Dago Kokora (1999). Le Front populaire ivoirien: de la clandestinité à la légalité : le vécu d'un fondateur. Harmattan. p. 46. ISBN 978-2-7384-6219-0. OCLC 247746201.
- ^ Civilisations, Volume 21, Issues 1-3. Institut International des Civilisations Différentes. 1971. p. 100. OCLC 1554814.
- ^ Paul N'Da (1987). Les intellectuels et le pouvoir en Afrique noire. L'Harmattan. p. 105. ISBN 978-2-85802-818-4. OCLC 1023968555.
- ^ Peuples noirs, peuples africains, Issues 40-42. Ăditions des Peuples noirs. 1984. p. 141. OCLC 4877050.
- ^ Simone Ehivet Gbagbo (2007). Paroles d'honneur: un devoir de parole. PharosJ.-M. Laffont. p. 89. ISBN 978-2-7569-0071-1. OCLC 1057672053.
- ^ Tape Dimi Gagbo (1980). Jeunesse et parti unique: le mouvement des étudiants et élÚves de CÎte d'Ivoire. La pensée universelle. p. 67. OCLC 219942965.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.