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The rest of the history can be seen at the redirect at Historic District which leads here. A mcmurray 06:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Or you could just do what Kpalion did and change the name of the page. Ozdaren 08:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I looked over the article (sorry for taking so long, I had a busy day of classes) and found a few minor things, mostly grammar issues. I think once you fix the below suggestions you should nominate it (and then wait a month for it to be reviewed!). Let me know if you want any further clarification on these and thanks for the offer of reviewing an article of mine down the road. I want to work on the Leslie Nielsen article soon, but I'm waiting for some free time in my schedule.
-- Nehrams2020 03:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
In the discussion about resitance to local historic districts, a significant issue was overlooked. The concerns are not only about having an appropriate level of regulation, but also about interpretation and enforcement of regulations. Judgments by regulatory entities can be arbitrary and capricious.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.7.202 ( talk • contribs)
Here's a couple examples of the arbitrary and capricious nature of historic district enforcements. In May of 2003, there was a widely publicized incident at the Avondale Estates historic district near Atlanta, GA. A homeowner with a non-historic, contemporary-style, non-contributing home was denied permisssion to modify his front steps by the town's historic preservation commission. In protest, the homeowner painted the house lime green with purple polka dots.
In Chicago, a lawsuit challenging the city's landmarks ordinance has been filed in response to historic district designations. I believe it is presently known as "Albert C. Hanna and Carol C. Mrowka vs. the City of Chicago, the Commission on Chicago Landmarks,... etc.". It's a lengthy complaint containing many arguments. Among them are the suggestion that historic district designations are a tool for racial segregation. It also claims that historic district designations are being used as an improper substitution for failed downzoning attempts. It also claims that the criteria used to justify proposed landmark status are so broad that they are meaningless and really don't exclude any structure anywhere. This is all of particular concern in a place like Chicago where machine politics and "aldermanic prerogative" have a history of making a mockery of rule of law.
69.211.7.202 16:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think mention of this kind of controversy should be isolated on pages referring to specific locales. Widespread adoption of historic district ordinances in the US is a fairly recent phenomenon that swept the country overnight, and the forces that both encourage and resist this change in the landscape are deserving of identification. 69.211.7.202 19:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Many historic districts from the days before cars try to keep the noise levels low and therefore, the streets might be one-way to keep the traffic low and have parking limits to keep the parking level low.
I have removed the above added by anonymous editor 66.181.89.212. My reasoning: A) it had no source, see WP:RS. B)It doesn't belong in the lead, see WP:LEAD. IvoShandor 13:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
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Congratulations. Dooms Day349 16:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
"...on the heels of a report from the U.S. Conference of Mayors which stated Americans suffered from "rootlessness." This comes from where?? I removed the reference since they were very likely more concerned with population flight to the suburbs than historic preservation.
Just glancing at one paragraph now, i see some ncorrect assertions. The paragraph:
Districts established under U.S. federal guidelines generally begin the process of designation through a nomination to the National Register of Historic Places. The National Register is the official recognition by the U.S. government of cultural resources worthy of preservation.[8] While designation through the National Register does offer a district or property some protections, it is only in cases where the threatening action involves the federal government. If the federal government is not involved, then the listing on the National Register provides the site, property or district no protections.[9] For example, if company A wants to tear down the hypothetical Smith House and company A is under contract with the state government of Illinois, then the federal designation would offer no protections. If, however, company A was under federal contract the Smith House would be protected. A federal designation is little more than recognition by the government that the resource is worthy of preservation.
First, it is is inaccurate, or at least imprecise, to say that listin starts by nomination to the National Register, implying an application document is being submitted to a Federal official. That would be late in the process, after possibly working with local government level and in almost every case it will go to a state level review first. (Certainly a preliminary process like that occurs in all states, not necessarily in U.S. territories or other non-states, there may be some exception.)
Second it is false to assert that National Register listing offers protection "only" in cases involving Federal action. The fact of National Register listing provides a handy hook for local zoning ordinances, which can easily require different review processes needed for any local properties that achieve National Register-listing. I think that is part of why some lawyers will advise their clients not to accept National Register listing, because future changes to local ordinances or California-style propositions or whatever can latch in protections, even in jurisdictions where there is no explicit protection. Also, it is false to imply there is no protection in the court of public opinion. A proposed demolition of any old building is one thing; a proposed demolition of a National Register-listed old building is a different matter. So there can be both other formal, legal protection and also informal, indirect protection from National Register listing.
I am not taking time now to review the whole article, but this excerpt makes me worry about overall quality of this article. I am surprised, somewhat, that it is GA listed. It certainly should not go to FA like this. It needs a good review. doncram ( talk) 06:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
"In fact, the most valuable properties in many communities are those within designated historic districts" POV, as usual —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.194.69 ( talk) 00:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The main reason to devote so much space to identification of studies that suggest historic district designations are good for property values is to promote historic districts, but the studies of designated historic districts are intrinsicly flawed because the designations always occur after development pressures appear, meaning the market demand was building prior to the designation.
Historic preservation activists never tire of mentioning the 1966 US Conference of Mayors that declared we suffer from 'rootlessness', but they never provide the 1966 context of urban decline and middle class flight that caused mayors to be defensive and look for excuses. Was it rootlessness or flight from rot caused by political corruption? Anyone seeking truth would run from a 1966 conference of mayors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.193.161.233 ( talk) 23:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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The rest of the history can be seen at the redirect at Historic District which leads here. A mcmurray 06:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Or you could just do what Kpalion did and change the name of the page. Ozdaren 08:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I looked over the article (sorry for taking so long, I had a busy day of classes) and found a few minor things, mostly grammar issues. I think once you fix the below suggestions you should nominate it (and then wait a month for it to be reviewed!). Let me know if you want any further clarification on these and thanks for the offer of reviewing an article of mine down the road. I want to work on the Leslie Nielsen article soon, but I'm waiting for some free time in my schedule.
-- Nehrams2020 03:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
In the discussion about resitance to local historic districts, a significant issue was overlooked. The concerns are not only about having an appropriate level of regulation, but also about interpretation and enforcement of regulations. Judgments by regulatory entities can be arbitrary and capricious.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.7.202 ( talk • contribs)
Here's a couple examples of the arbitrary and capricious nature of historic district enforcements. In May of 2003, there was a widely publicized incident at the Avondale Estates historic district near Atlanta, GA. A homeowner with a non-historic, contemporary-style, non-contributing home was denied permisssion to modify his front steps by the town's historic preservation commission. In protest, the homeowner painted the house lime green with purple polka dots.
In Chicago, a lawsuit challenging the city's landmarks ordinance has been filed in response to historic district designations. I believe it is presently known as "Albert C. Hanna and Carol C. Mrowka vs. the City of Chicago, the Commission on Chicago Landmarks,... etc.". It's a lengthy complaint containing many arguments. Among them are the suggestion that historic district designations are a tool for racial segregation. It also claims that historic district designations are being used as an improper substitution for failed downzoning attempts. It also claims that the criteria used to justify proposed landmark status are so broad that they are meaningless and really don't exclude any structure anywhere. This is all of particular concern in a place like Chicago where machine politics and "aldermanic prerogative" have a history of making a mockery of rule of law.
69.211.7.202 16:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think mention of this kind of controversy should be isolated on pages referring to specific locales. Widespread adoption of historic district ordinances in the US is a fairly recent phenomenon that swept the country overnight, and the forces that both encourage and resist this change in the landscape are deserving of identification. 69.211.7.202 19:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Many historic districts from the days before cars try to keep the noise levels low and therefore, the streets might be one-way to keep the traffic low and have parking limits to keep the parking level low.
I have removed the above added by anonymous editor 66.181.89.212. My reasoning: A) it had no source, see WP:RS. B)It doesn't belong in the lead, see WP:LEAD. IvoShandor 13:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
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Congratulations. Dooms Day349 16:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
"...on the heels of a report from the U.S. Conference of Mayors which stated Americans suffered from "rootlessness." This comes from where?? I removed the reference since they were very likely more concerned with population flight to the suburbs than historic preservation.
Just glancing at one paragraph now, i see some ncorrect assertions. The paragraph:
Districts established under U.S. federal guidelines generally begin the process of designation through a nomination to the National Register of Historic Places. The National Register is the official recognition by the U.S. government of cultural resources worthy of preservation.[8] While designation through the National Register does offer a district or property some protections, it is only in cases where the threatening action involves the federal government. If the federal government is not involved, then the listing on the National Register provides the site, property or district no protections.[9] For example, if company A wants to tear down the hypothetical Smith House and company A is under contract with the state government of Illinois, then the federal designation would offer no protections. If, however, company A was under federal contract the Smith House would be protected. A federal designation is little more than recognition by the government that the resource is worthy of preservation.
First, it is is inaccurate, or at least imprecise, to say that listin starts by nomination to the National Register, implying an application document is being submitted to a Federal official. That would be late in the process, after possibly working with local government level and in almost every case it will go to a state level review first. (Certainly a preliminary process like that occurs in all states, not necessarily in U.S. territories or other non-states, there may be some exception.)
Second it is false to assert that National Register listing offers protection "only" in cases involving Federal action. The fact of National Register listing provides a handy hook for local zoning ordinances, which can easily require different review processes needed for any local properties that achieve National Register-listing. I think that is part of why some lawyers will advise their clients not to accept National Register listing, because future changes to local ordinances or California-style propositions or whatever can latch in protections, even in jurisdictions where there is no explicit protection. Also, it is false to imply there is no protection in the court of public opinion. A proposed demolition of any old building is one thing; a proposed demolition of a National Register-listed old building is a different matter. So there can be both other formal, legal protection and also informal, indirect protection from National Register listing.
I am not taking time now to review the whole article, but this excerpt makes me worry about overall quality of this article. I am surprised, somewhat, that it is GA listed. It certainly should not go to FA like this. It needs a good review. doncram ( talk) 06:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
"In fact, the most valuable properties in many communities are those within designated historic districts" POV, as usual —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.147.194.69 ( talk) 00:24, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The main reason to devote so much space to identification of studies that suggest historic district designations are good for property values is to promote historic districts, but the studies of designated historic districts are intrinsicly flawed because the designations always occur after development pressures appear, meaning the market demand was building prior to the designation.
Historic preservation activists never tire of mentioning the 1966 US Conference of Mayors that declared we suffer from 'rootlessness', but they never provide the 1966 context of urban decline and middle class flight that caused mayors to be defensive and look for excuses. Was it rootlessness or flight from rot caused by political corruption? Anyone seeking truth would run from a 1966 conference of mayors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.193.161.233 ( talk) 23:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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