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I can safely say that for about a week, I have completely dedicated myself to the overhaul of the Hinduism article. When I nominated it for Featured Article on Sunday (the 10th), I had an extra-crazy three days of work. Things accomplished:
I hope others come to give ideas and rework the article into even more finely honed prose; if (God willing) this article survives objections for another five days and achieves Featured Article Status, we can work on making its prose truly Brilliant to the point of Blinding Luminescence. I am archiving dialogue prior to today (since new discussion pretty much ceased almost a week ago); I think it's appropriate to mark a new chapter in the life of the Hinduism article. AUM Tat Sat -- LordSuryaofShropshire 02:55, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC)
Images on Hinduism, for example Image:Sadhu(www.kamat.com).jpg, are not under the GNU Free Documentation License. Image page says: "This image is not licenced under the GFDL. It is under a non-commercial-use only licence." Doesn't this prevent republishing Wikipedia? Tero 16:02, 2004 Apr 24 (UTC)
What a good article! The author really must be commended. Not only is it well-written, it is an article really giving information- it generally free from apologetics or polemics, yet it manages to give an "insider's" view to those who are not knowledgeable about Hinduism. I certainly learned from it. Kudos!
Still, there are a couple comments I woudld like to make, if the author would bare with me:
1) Even with the message below, I still don't know if Hinduism is the oldest great religion or not, but since this issue seems settled, I won't dwell on it.
2) Being involved in the sciences, I would object to calling Hinduism a science and linking to an article describing science. I am religious myself, and I love and resepct religion. Also, I am also aware of the movement among Hindus to present their religion as science. Nonetheless, Hinduism isn't science anymore than Philosophy is science.
3) In addition to Buddhism and Jainism, Sikhism also came out of Hinduism as a way to find compramise between Moslems and Hinuds.
4) Forgive me if this causes you any offense, but... there was no mention of caste. I know that modern Hindus don't want to dwell on it (and perhaps for good reasons), but it still does play a role in determining some aspects of many Hindus' lives, such as whether or not the Hindu is vegetarian, whether the Hindu can become a pujari, and (in some cases still) who the Hindu will marry.
Thanks for listening.
--- oldest religion? what about judaism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah
It's possible that Hinduism is the only surviving development of the
Indo-European religion pushing back its origin to 4000 BC or earlier. --
Derek Ross 22:37, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-- LordSuryaofShropshire 22:46, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)
I respect the current wording of 'generally accepted to be the earliest religion' (I'm sure it is by the secular world). The problem is that faith in God (the God) is held to date back to creation by Judaism and Christianity. Judaism is thus merely a point of progression from the early forefathers, while Christianity would be seen by Christians as a logical progression from Judaism.
As I said, I like the current wording, but if you change it to 'is the earliest religion' I guess there's not much I can do about it!
Zoney 17:50, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Speaking as an atheist, I agree with LordSurya's comments on defining the age of religions. While it may be that Hinduism is not the oldest surviving religion, it certainly has a very good claim to the title, to the extent that anyone claiming that it is not, needs to come up with a convincing counter-example. It's not enough just to claim that there may be older religions than Hinduism. That needs to be demonstrated convincingly by the claimant. Until it has been, I see no problem with leaving the "oldest" claim in this article. -- Derek Ross
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | → | Archive 10 |
I can safely say that for about a week, I have completely dedicated myself to the overhaul of the Hinduism article. When I nominated it for Featured Article on Sunday (the 10th), I had an extra-crazy three days of work. Things accomplished:
I hope others come to give ideas and rework the article into even more finely honed prose; if (God willing) this article survives objections for another five days and achieves Featured Article Status, we can work on making its prose truly Brilliant to the point of Blinding Luminescence. I am archiving dialogue prior to today (since new discussion pretty much ceased almost a week ago); I think it's appropriate to mark a new chapter in the life of the Hinduism article. AUM Tat Sat -- LordSuryaofShropshire 02:55, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC)
Images on Hinduism, for example Image:Sadhu(www.kamat.com).jpg, are not under the GNU Free Documentation License. Image page says: "This image is not licenced under the GFDL. It is under a non-commercial-use only licence." Doesn't this prevent republishing Wikipedia? Tero 16:02, 2004 Apr 24 (UTC)
What a good article! The author really must be commended. Not only is it well-written, it is an article really giving information- it generally free from apologetics or polemics, yet it manages to give an "insider's" view to those who are not knowledgeable about Hinduism. I certainly learned from it. Kudos!
Still, there are a couple comments I woudld like to make, if the author would bare with me:
1) Even with the message below, I still don't know if Hinduism is the oldest great religion or not, but since this issue seems settled, I won't dwell on it.
2) Being involved in the sciences, I would object to calling Hinduism a science and linking to an article describing science. I am religious myself, and I love and resepct religion. Also, I am also aware of the movement among Hindus to present their religion as science. Nonetheless, Hinduism isn't science anymore than Philosophy is science.
3) In addition to Buddhism and Jainism, Sikhism also came out of Hinduism as a way to find compramise between Moslems and Hinuds.
4) Forgive me if this causes you any offense, but... there was no mention of caste. I know that modern Hindus don't want to dwell on it (and perhaps for good reasons), but it still does play a role in determining some aspects of many Hindus' lives, such as whether or not the Hindu is vegetarian, whether the Hindu can become a pujari, and (in some cases still) who the Hindu will marry.
Thanks for listening.
--- oldest religion? what about judaism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah
It's possible that Hinduism is the only surviving development of the
Indo-European religion pushing back its origin to 4000 BC or earlier. --
Derek Ross 22:37, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-- LordSuryaofShropshire 22:46, Apr 24, 2004 (UTC)
I respect the current wording of 'generally accepted to be the earliest religion' (I'm sure it is by the secular world). The problem is that faith in God (the God) is held to date back to creation by Judaism and Christianity. Judaism is thus merely a point of progression from the early forefathers, while Christianity would be seen by Christians as a logical progression from Judaism.
As I said, I like the current wording, but if you change it to 'is the earliest religion' I guess there's not much I can do about it!
Zoney 17:50, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Speaking as an atheist, I agree with LordSurya's comments on defining the age of religions. While it may be that Hinduism is not the oldest surviving religion, it certainly has a very good claim to the title, to the extent that anyone claiming that it is not, needs to come up with a convincing counter-example. It's not enough just to claim that there may be older religions than Hinduism. That needs to be demonstrated convincingly by the claimant. Until it has been, I see no problem with leaving the "oldest" claim in this article. -- Derek Ross