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The section on Hindu opposition to Christian creationism includes a {main} article tag pointing to Californian Hindu textbook controversy. I have commented this out, as I simply don't see the relation. If I understand correctly, the Californian Hindu textbook controversy was about the textbook's portrayal of various alleged negative aspects of Hinduism and its past, e.g. the caste system, women's rights, etc. What does that have to do with Christian creationism?? -- Jaysweet ( talk) 13:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It is a well known and absolutely clear fact that so called Hare Krishnas are not Hindus. They explicitly and specifically have denied being Hindus and they have therefore no place in an article such as this, on Hindu views on evolution. What next, Buddhists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Laughter ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Now I have been reverted again, and NO ONE has even bothered to address what I have said. I was told to discuss this on talk. OK, I am trying. Now where are you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Laughter ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
The first of those two sources is vague and I would be dubious about accepting it. It does not really say specifically that Hare Krishnas are Hindus, though you might read it that way. The second source does not settle things either, and anyway, I think that what Prabhupada originally said, that ISKCON is not Hindu, is what matters. Dark Laughter ( talk) 03:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
You are not really listening to what I said, but I'm not going to try to argue this at length. I hope I can find some sources that contradict yours. Dark Laughter ( talk) 06:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
The article talks about Carl Sagan and Fritjof Capra's comparisons of modern cosmology to Hinduism as though they were original, a brand new idea that people had in the late 20th century. Actually such comparisons are older, and were made in the 19th century. I believe Blavatsky talks about this in "Isis Unveiled", for example. This is a major gap in the article's coverage of the subject. Should I add something about Blavatsky, or will someone find some reason for removing that if I try? Dark Laughter ( talk) 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought that the content about Sagan and Capra was quite interesting; my point was that if they were mentioned Blavatsky should be too, since she made a similar point well before they did. Only now you've removed that content, so I probably won't add anything about Blavatsky. The scope of this article is rather too broad in that much of it is not about Hindu views of evolution at all; it is a discussion of Hindu creation beliefs in general. Dark Laughter ( talk) 19:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Dark Laughter ( talk) 07:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
iskon views should not seem to represent real hindu (i.e. indian philosophical) thaughts and theories. anybody could claim to be a hindu and spin weird theories in the name of hinduism. science and the way of searching for the "reason of living" is a cultural thing rather than a dogmatic thing. every culture has produced rational (like western science) and irrational (like western religion, i.e. christianity) approaches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.1.159 ( talk) 12:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The article mentioned that
"In India, Hindus widely accept the theory of biological evolution. In a survey, 77% of respondents in India agreed that enough scientific evidence exists to support Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, and 88% of God-believing people said they believe in evolution as well."
According to those reference links, the survey consisted of about 1000 people max. Theres over a billion people in India. Is that wide acceptance of evolution?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.151.132.21 ( talk) 17:15, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
yes Hindus accept it widely (well the literate ones), there is no particular myth surrounding origin of species or universe among Hindus. Also in India in never became a heated topic like in west. Indians even Christians and Muslims accept it to some extent (well the literate ones). Pratpandey13 ( talk) 11:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I added some evolutionary relationship with references under heading evolutionary interpretation which may help this article ---- WP MANIKHANTA Talk 17:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I've removed that again. We don't use stuff from the American Chronicle, and I note that the author (a geologist so not even qualified to discuss this) seems to have endorsed some sort of ancient astronaut idea. [1]. There is also WP:UNDUE - what actually reliable sources link the boar with big mammals, Vamana with Neanderthals? I'll also note that a table like that is very eye-catching and impressive - which may be fine in some cases, but not when it's fringe. Dougweller ( talk) 08:34, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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Most of this article seems to be off-topic; it's not about Hindu views on evolution, a concept developed in the 19th century, but about pre-19th century Hindu creation myths. What it should be about is how Darwin's theories were received within Hinduism, c.q. Hindu modernism, and how it shaped Hindu views of human development, that is, the idea that humans undergo a process of development and growth until they are liberated. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Though there was some early support for the move under the argument that the proposed title would be WP:CONSISTENT with Category:Hinduism and evolution, the trajectory of the discussion reversed after it was shown that the current title is more WP:CONSISTENT with comparable articles in mainspace. It was also noted that the article content largely pertains to the views of individual Hindus rather than of Hinduism itself. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Hindu views on evolution → Hinduism and evolution – The latter name is more consistent with the corresponding category, Category:Hinduism and evolution. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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The section on Hindu opposition to Christian creationism includes a {main} article tag pointing to Californian Hindu textbook controversy. I have commented this out, as I simply don't see the relation. If I understand correctly, the Californian Hindu textbook controversy was about the textbook's portrayal of various alleged negative aspects of Hinduism and its past, e.g. the caste system, women's rights, etc. What does that have to do with Christian creationism?? -- Jaysweet ( talk) 13:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It is a well known and absolutely clear fact that so called Hare Krishnas are not Hindus. They explicitly and specifically have denied being Hindus and they have therefore no place in an article such as this, on Hindu views on evolution. What next, Buddhists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Laughter ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Now I have been reverted again, and NO ONE has even bothered to address what I have said. I was told to discuss this on talk. OK, I am trying. Now where are you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Laughter ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
The first of those two sources is vague and I would be dubious about accepting it. It does not really say specifically that Hare Krishnas are Hindus, though you might read it that way. The second source does not settle things either, and anyway, I think that what Prabhupada originally said, that ISKCON is not Hindu, is what matters. Dark Laughter ( talk) 03:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
You are not really listening to what I said, but I'm not going to try to argue this at length. I hope I can find some sources that contradict yours. Dark Laughter ( talk) 06:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
The article talks about Carl Sagan and Fritjof Capra's comparisons of modern cosmology to Hinduism as though they were original, a brand new idea that people had in the late 20th century. Actually such comparisons are older, and were made in the 19th century. I believe Blavatsky talks about this in "Isis Unveiled", for example. This is a major gap in the article's coverage of the subject. Should I add something about Blavatsky, or will someone find some reason for removing that if I try? Dark Laughter ( talk) 06:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought that the content about Sagan and Capra was quite interesting; my point was that if they were mentioned Blavatsky should be too, since she made a similar point well before they did. Only now you've removed that content, so I probably won't add anything about Blavatsky. The scope of this article is rather too broad in that much of it is not about Hindu views of evolution at all; it is a discussion of Hindu creation beliefs in general. Dark Laughter ( talk) 19:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Dark Laughter ( talk) 07:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
iskon views should not seem to represent real hindu (i.e. indian philosophical) thaughts and theories. anybody could claim to be a hindu and spin weird theories in the name of hinduism. science and the way of searching for the "reason of living" is a cultural thing rather than a dogmatic thing. every culture has produced rational (like western science) and irrational (like western religion, i.e. christianity) approaches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.1.159 ( talk) 12:00, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The article mentioned that
"In India, Hindus widely accept the theory of biological evolution. In a survey, 77% of respondents in India agreed that enough scientific evidence exists to support Charles Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, and 88% of God-believing people said they believe in evolution as well."
According to those reference links, the survey consisted of about 1000 people max. Theres over a billion people in India. Is that wide acceptance of evolution?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.151.132.21 ( talk) 17:15, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
yes Hindus accept it widely (well the literate ones), there is no particular myth surrounding origin of species or universe among Hindus. Also in India in never became a heated topic like in west. Indians even Christians and Muslims accept it to some extent (well the literate ones). Pratpandey13 ( talk) 11:58, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I added some evolutionary relationship with references under heading evolutionary interpretation which may help this article ---- WP MANIKHANTA Talk 17:26, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
I've removed that again. We don't use stuff from the American Chronicle, and I note that the author (a geologist so not even qualified to discuss this) seems to have endorsed some sort of ancient astronaut idea. [1]. There is also WP:UNDUE - what actually reliable sources link the boar with big mammals, Vamana with Neanderthals? I'll also note that a table like that is very eye-catching and impressive - which may be fine in some cases, but not when it's fringe. Dougweller ( talk) 08:34, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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Most of this article seems to be off-topic; it's not about Hindu views on evolution, a concept developed in the 19th century, but about pre-19th century Hindu creation myths. What it should be about is how Darwin's theories were received within Hinduism, c.q. Hindu modernism, and how it shaped Hindu views of human development, that is, the idea that humans undergo a process of development and growth until they are liberated. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 20:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Though there was some early support for the move under the argument that the proposed title would be WP:CONSISTENT with Category:Hinduism and evolution, the trajectory of the discussion reversed after it was shown that the current title is more WP:CONSISTENT with comparable articles in mainspace. It was also noted that the article content largely pertains to the views of individual Hindus rather than of Hinduism itself. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
Hindu views on evolution → Hinduism and evolution – The latter name is more consistent with the corresponding category, Category:Hinduism and evolution. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 07:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)