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The Name of the article should renamed to Hindu Puranas/Ithihasa. Hindu's don't regard Vedas, Puranas, Ithihasa as "Myths". Hence the name Mythology is inapproriate and should be renamed or deleted completely. 115.113.80.34
Myth: A traditional story, typically involving supernatural beings or forces, which embodies and provides an explanation, aetiology, or justification for something such as the early history of a society, a religious belief or ritual, or a natural phenomenon
@
Chronikhiles: the
Hindu synthesis emerged only after ca. 500-300 BCE. To state that Hinduism has existed in some form or another for millennia, as is also backed by the cited sources
diff needs more than an unspecified, unaccessible review (
"Handbook of Hindu mythology". Choice Reviews Online. 41 (09): 10. 2004-05-01.
doi:
10.5860/choice.41-5003a.
ISSN
0009-4978.). Please refer to the original source (George M. Williams (2008), Handbook of Hindu Mythology), with pagenumbers.
Joshua Jonathan -
Let's talk!
14:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Williams p.8 states that "non-Hindu elements (Buddhist, Ajivika, Jain, and later elements from invaders such as the Yanavas, Shakas, and Pahlavas) made their "heteroprax" contributions ("other" or "alien practice") to Hindu mythology." That's a highly problematic statement:
If you want to give a timeline, please be accurate.
Regarding
By approximately 1200 BCE, the Rigvedic mythology would reach its greatest expanse, and its influence over later Indian mythology would be enormous
Williams states
By approximately 1200 BCE, the Rigvedic mythology had reached its greatest expanse, and its influence over later Indian history was enormous.
That's both a copyvio and a misrepresentation of the source... Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
NB: your copying of text from Williams is a WP:COPYVIO. @ Diannaa: could you take a look here? Thanks, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 14:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
It is NOT a mythology, Ramayana, Mahabharata and the puranas are NOT MYTHS, it is our history, it ACTUALLY did happen, so please remove the word MYTHOLOGY or MYTH from all your sites 103.252.27.196 ( talk) 08:02, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
I know many arguments above are highlighting the same issue but please take the time to read and understand my take on this.
While I understand that this well-written article was created with good intentions, the phrase "Hindu Mythology" has erupted throughout all Wikipedia articles about Hinduism- or Hindu-related gods and can be interpreted as disrespectful. Hinduism is a religion, a way of life, and the 1 billion people who follow this way of life hold its "myths" in high regard. The phrase "Hindu mythology" has been incorrectly used synonymously with the religion for many years, which is understandable, but perhaps it is time to modify that. It is disturbing to simply dismiss the religion as "mythology" given that it is still practiced by a significant portion of the world's population (about 15%). Additionally, as a Hindu myself, I believe it to be quite disrespectful to both my existence and my beliefs, and I have no doubt that other Hindus will share this opinion. This religion, our way of life, is a reality for many, so please refrain from dismissing it as a myth. I humbly request that the use of mythology in this article should be corrected.
I also noticed above that the argument presented was that Christian mythology, Jewish mythology, and Islamic mythology are also articles on Wikipedia. Should these religions be degraded with the term mythology as well? Isn't it disrespectful to those who practice those religions? These "myths", "legends", and "stories" from all these religions are not simply "myths", "legends", and "stories." They serve as a reality to many people in today's world.
The definition of a myth: A traditional story, typically involving supernatural beings or forces, which embodies and provides an explanation, etiology, or justification for something such as the early history of a society, a religious belief or ritual, or a natural phenomenon. Well, this term does appear to be more respectful than most people are giving it credit for. However, note that the word "story" appears as the third word in this definition. This word carries a connotation that this "narrative" is fictional. Furthermore, for a long time in our society, the terms "story" and "myth" were mistakenly used interchangeably. The point I'm trying to make is that there are more respectful terms out there to use in place of this derogatory term.
I believe the article (linked below) put it best...although the words myth or mythology itself do not mean fiction, they certainly imply it. Perhaps using the phrase "Hindu epics" or "Hinduism" itself is a start.
https://bookriot.com/hindu-epics-are-they-myths/
Thank you for understanding and hope to see some changes! :)
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Please do not use the word ‘Mythology’. Hinduism is not a ‘myth’. It is our history. We don’t say islamic mythology or Christian mythology right? Please use the word Hindu Theology. 103.89.235.102 ( talk) 01:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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01:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)No one would have a problem with the word story, and story cannot be used for discrimination purposes. It is very biased to use the word myth to talk about stories which over a billion other humans believe as true, and whether you are a devout HIndu or think the religion is a joke, it affects all of us. If people on this site feel they can demean and belittle and attack and discriminate against one group of people, it is only a short time before they begin to attack you also. Please stand up against the bias and discrimination and change the word to one of the +25 synomnyms which mean exactly the same thing but aren't clear underhanded discrimination. If the common consesus among people is that "myth" is an insulting word then the definition you have made up does not mean anything. Go ask you relatives, friends, family, and other people if they would like the word "myth" applied to their beliefs. Ask yourself if you want to see your favorite page filled with words that can be used to demean you? There's nothing wrong with the word story and all people are fine to call something a story. That is a true unbiased word. But "myth" needs to be changed StopSayingMyth ( talk) 19:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Any other synonym is okay with the people who have commented.I don't think that's true, and it certainly isn't for me. You're the only one who has a problem with "myth" and I think everyone else opposes a change. WPscatter t/ c 21:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Talking about "mob rule": Consensus is also interesting as consensus in the general public
. And
WP:OR: you do a biased questionaire among a non-random sample, and conclude that "myth" has only one meaning, namely as synonym for 'unture story'. Well, let's bust that myth: myth, in the way it is used here, is not a fairy tale or an 'untrue story', but a narrative with an appealing meaning. Myth as you understand it may be derived from this scholarly usage, but is not it's original meaning, nor how it is used here. And talking about "closed minded": the aim of an encyclopedia is to present scholarly information, to 'enlighten' readers and broaden their views. Obviously, this aim is lost on you, as you stick to your own, limited understanding and refuse to read further than the first line.
Joshua Jonathan -
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03:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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The Name of the article should renamed to Hindu Puranas/Ithihasa. Hindu's don't regard Vedas, Puranas, Ithihasa as "Myths". Hence the name Mythology is inapproriate and should be renamed or deleted completely. 115.113.80.34
Myth: A traditional story, typically involving supernatural beings or forces, which embodies and provides an explanation, aetiology, or justification for something such as the early history of a society, a religious belief or ritual, or a natural phenomenon
@
Chronikhiles: the
Hindu synthesis emerged only after ca. 500-300 BCE. To state that Hinduism has existed in some form or another for millennia, as is also backed by the cited sources
diff needs more than an unspecified, unaccessible review (
"Handbook of Hindu mythology". Choice Reviews Online. 41 (09): 10. 2004-05-01.
doi:
10.5860/choice.41-5003a.
ISSN
0009-4978.). Please refer to the original source (George M. Williams (2008), Handbook of Hindu Mythology), with pagenumbers.
Joshua Jonathan -
Let's talk!
14:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Williams p.8 states that "non-Hindu elements (Buddhist, Ajivika, Jain, and later elements from invaders such as the Yanavas, Shakas, and Pahlavas) made their "heteroprax" contributions ("other" or "alien practice") to Hindu mythology." That's a highly problematic statement:
If you want to give a timeline, please be accurate.
Regarding
By approximately 1200 BCE, the Rigvedic mythology would reach its greatest expanse, and its influence over later Indian mythology would be enormous
Williams states
By approximately 1200 BCE, the Rigvedic mythology had reached its greatest expanse, and its influence over later Indian history was enormous.
That's both a copyvio and a misrepresentation of the source... Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 15:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
NB: your copying of text from Williams is a WP:COPYVIO. @ Diannaa: could you take a look here? Thanks, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 14:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
It is NOT a mythology, Ramayana, Mahabharata and the puranas are NOT MYTHS, it is our history, it ACTUALLY did happen, so please remove the word MYTHOLOGY or MYTH from all your sites 103.252.27.196 ( talk) 08:02, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
I know many arguments above are highlighting the same issue but please take the time to read and understand my take on this.
While I understand that this well-written article was created with good intentions, the phrase "Hindu Mythology" has erupted throughout all Wikipedia articles about Hinduism- or Hindu-related gods and can be interpreted as disrespectful. Hinduism is a religion, a way of life, and the 1 billion people who follow this way of life hold its "myths" in high regard. The phrase "Hindu mythology" has been incorrectly used synonymously with the religion for many years, which is understandable, but perhaps it is time to modify that. It is disturbing to simply dismiss the religion as "mythology" given that it is still practiced by a significant portion of the world's population (about 15%). Additionally, as a Hindu myself, I believe it to be quite disrespectful to both my existence and my beliefs, and I have no doubt that other Hindus will share this opinion. This religion, our way of life, is a reality for many, so please refrain from dismissing it as a myth. I humbly request that the use of mythology in this article should be corrected.
I also noticed above that the argument presented was that Christian mythology, Jewish mythology, and Islamic mythology are also articles on Wikipedia. Should these religions be degraded with the term mythology as well? Isn't it disrespectful to those who practice those religions? These "myths", "legends", and "stories" from all these religions are not simply "myths", "legends", and "stories." They serve as a reality to many people in today's world.
The definition of a myth: A traditional story, typically involving supernatural beings or forces, which embodies and provides an explanation, etiology, or justification for something such as the early history of a society, a religious belief or ritual, or a natural phenomenon. Well, this term does appear to be more respectful than most people are giving it credit for. However, note that the word "story" appears as the third word in this definition. This word carries a connotation that this "narrative" is fictional. Furthermore, for a long time in our society, the terms "story" and "myth" were mistakenly used interchangeably. The point I'm trying to make is that there are more respectful terms out there to use in place of this derogatory term.
I believe the article (linked below) put it best...although the words myth or mythology itself do not mean fiction, they certainly imply it. Perhaps using the phrase "Hindu epics" or "Hinduism" itself is a start.
https://bookriot.com/hindu-epics-are-they-myths/
Thank you for understanding and hope to see some changes! :)
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Please do not use the word ‘Mythology’. Hinduism is not a ‘myth’. It is our history. We don’t say islamic mythology or Christian mythology right? Please use the word Hindu Theology. 103.89.235.102 ( talk) 01:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
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01:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)No one would have a problem with the word story, and story cannot be used for discrimination purposes. It is very biased to use the word myth to talk about stories which over a billion other humans believe as true, and whether you are a devout HIndu or think the religion is a joke, it affects all of us. If people on this site feel they can demean and belittle and attack and discriminate against one group of people, it is only a short time before they begin to attack you also. Please stand up against the bias and discrimination and change the word to one of the +25 synomnyms which mean exactly the same thing but aren't clear underhanded discrimination. If the common consesus among people is that "myth" is an insulting word then the definition you have made up does not mean anything. Go ask you relatives, friends, family, and other people if they would like the word "myth" applied to their beliefs. Ask yourself if you want to see your favorite page filled with words that can be used to demean you? There's nothing wrong with the word story and all people are fine to call something a story. That is a true unbiased word. But "myth" needs to be changed StopSayingMyth ( talk) 19:01, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Any other synonym is okay with the people who have commented.I don't think that's true, and it certainly isn't for me. You're the only one who has a problem with "myth" and I think everyone else opposes a change. WPscatter t/ c 21:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Talking about "mob rule": Consensus is also interesting as consensus in the general public
. And
WP:OR: you do a biased questionaire among a non-random sample, and conclude that "myth" has only one meaning, namely as synonym for 'unture story'. Well, let's bust that myth: myth, in the way it is used here, is not a fairy tale or an 'untrue story', but a narrative with an appealing meaning. Myth as you understand it may be derived from this scholarly usage, but is not it's original meaning, nor how it is used here. And talking about "closed minded": the aim of an encyclopedia is to present scholarly information, to 'enlighten' readers and broaden their views. Obviously, this aim is lost on you, as you stick to your own, limited understanding and refuse to read further than the first line.
Joshua Jonathan -
Let's talk!
03:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 January 2024 and 10 May 2024. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
BlueMichaela (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by BlueMichaela ( talk) 21:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)