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I have visited the UCLA campus on a tour. The tour guide said that there is no Hillel there. The part on UCLA in the Critisism section contradicts that. Can someone look it up? -- Mr.spoof ( talk) 20:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed 3 red links in the "Critisism" Section. Mr.spoof ( talk) 20:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I am removing the last paragraph from this page because supporting abortion is not social justice. -- StevenL 20:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
So maybe an issue raised there is abortion law, but most of it does seem to be social justice-oriented. I will reinsert the paragraph, changing social justice to social activism. jnothman talk 14:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)The March for Women's Lives is primarily concerned with the rights of reproductive freedom and choice for all women. Other issues being brought to light in this march are family planning, health, justice, civil rights, and abortion law.
great :) -- StevenL 22:46, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm deleting the last half of the last paragraph. Unsourced accusations about behaviour of Hillel staff and random link to anti-zionist prof are not relevant. djheart 05:03, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I looked through it, and most of it is unsourced accusations about Hillel and Zionism, or non-functional links (or alt-right/far-left sources). Can I delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ari9999999 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I moved the title from Hillel Society, which has never been the official name, to Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WBcoleman ( talk • contribs) .
The most recent revision was from an IP address that is located at Hillel's office. [2] So I reverted in principle. If someone wants to do a rewrite, go ahead. -- Posted by User:Hyim 17 May 2006 (info added by 201.78.233.162 03:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC) )
Many articles about many agencies were obviously written in-house by their PR departments. The article on Hillel is obviously not an "infomercial" of this sort. Seeing that some detractors have given their input to the article, I cannot see what is wrong with Hillel employees making some edits. Perhaps that is a "conflict of interest," but the same can be said for the critics. Do any of them have an axe to grind? I suspect so. For instance, user "Hraenfen" indicates on his page that "This user rejects as invalid all forms of spirituality or religion." He is, of course, entitled to his beliefs (or lack of them), but as an admitted atheist, might we surmise that this might influence his view of Hillel? Also, if an employee may not edit because of "conflict of interest," doesn't the same thing apply, for instance, to a disgruntled former employee? To a rival agency?
--Being a vegan and a beer drinker has nothing to do with Hillel. Being an atheist, on the other hand, indicates at least the appearance of a conflict of interest insofar as one might reasonably conclude that you have an antipathy toward matters religious and would be predisposed to defending criticisms of religion and religious institutions. Rather than spend time reversing edits of this already highly edited and badly written article, why not apply your zeal to the thousands of infomercials whch, regrettably, charaterize much of Wikipedia? Why is it that many/most articles about various agencies sound like Pravda in their limitless praise of the subject? Why tolerate such tripe? And by the way, I am also a vegan and a beer drinker--and I have no intention of editig wikipedia articles on either subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CaseyHamMD ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
"The organization was founded in 1923 at the University of Illinois by B'nai Brith .... By then, it encompassed 120 Hillel foundations and affiliates at an additional 400 campuses."
This makes no sense ("founded in 1923 ... by then it encompassed 120 Hillel foundations"). Can someone please clarify? Thanks. -- 201.78.233.162 03:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
It deeply offends me that this article talks about Hillel in such a negative light. While there may be some problems going on at the national level many local hillel's such as the one at Indiana University I attend is very open and representative of all people and I feel very welcome there. About 2/3 of the jewish students at IU come in yearly and each and every one talks about how welcome they feel and I know for a fact this is the case at most Hillel's. I think it is imperative that it be mentioned in this article that while nationally there might be problems a lot of local hillels do a great job of providing student services.
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It seems a lot of the articles current criticisms don't have sources supporting them so how come you are telling me I need sources to prove what I am saying.
Secondly I do have an account on Wikipedia I just did not log in when I wrote this.
Response to your response: I am well aware of the countless problems at Hillel nationally trust me, it just seems that you should make the article a bit more positive and mention how welcoming some local Hillel are as well. Also have you ever been to Hillel to know what it is like. I for one have been to several and the people there seemed to feel very welcomed and the staff was very welcoming.
It's absurd that this article spends so much time on the tiny "Open Hillel" movement, which is now defunct (though attempting a revival) compared to how much times it spends on actual Hillel. Open Hillel should and maybe does have its own entry, but the Hillel entry should be about Hillel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.148.104 ( talk) 15:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
I significantly changed (and condensed) this article a few weeks ago, does anyone else think the "advertising" notice can be deleted yet? Zavtrakat 01:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The criticisms may (or may not) have validity, but in light of the fact that Hillel has an 85 year history and exists on 550 campuses on 6 continents and touched tens of thousands of lives, it seems to me that the negative portrayal is altogether disproportionate--particularly the attacks on the two local directors. It is quite one thing to take issue with the organization as a whole or general trends within local Hillels -- but to highlight two local and isolated events is disproportionate. This occupies a significant portion of the entire article! It seems to me that somebody has an agenda. Think: the number of staff hours over 85 years on 550 campuses vs two events by two people at only two occasions on two campuses--one probably taking up no more than five minutes and the other arising from one meeting which probably was over in an hour. That would be like spending a third of an article on Lincoln taking about his wart. Not balanced!
Discuss to avert revert-war. To me, as written it doesn't belong because it's about a person who is connected with Hillel, not Hillel itself and not overtly acting in the name of Hillel. I have no problem with info that places Hillel in a negative light, provided that it's actually related to Hillel and not just someone who happens to be affiliated with it, and that it's worded to give the same meaning as the citation given. The citation here:
A poor leader isn't intrinsically a reflection of a poor organization. If this event is to be kept as evidence that "Hillel International refused to censure a staffer who assulted a women" then the cite needs to be supportive of that specifically, which the given cite does not appear to do (neither censuring nor Hillel International mentioned). DMacks 05:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed a number of editorial statements about the Seidler-Feller case. Editorial articles with titles such as "Rabbi beats up women" are lopsided commentary and do not reflect NPOV. Also, whomever deleted a reference to a news article and replaced it with a few editorials completely ignored standard Wikipedia practices. I also deleted a statement discussing "a legal settlement ordered by the court". Courts do not order civil settlements--settlements are agreed to by the parties involved, often in part, because the cost of litigation (in both financial and personal terms) exceeds the cost of a settlement. Affish11 04:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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Preserving here by providing this link. The purpose of the edit was to reduce promotionalism, self-citations, excessive and promotional detail, etc. Please let me know if there are any concerns. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 02:42, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
In one of the paragraphs under the “Controversies” section, the following sentence is present: “In November 2013, Harvard Hillel barred Avraham Burg, a former Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, from speaking at Hillel because the event was co-sponsored by Harvard Palestinian Solidarity Committee, which supports BDS.”. In this sentence, it is unclear which event the phrase “the event” is referencing. 169.233.215.65 ( talk) 04:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
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I have visited the UCLA campus on a tour. The tour guide said that there is no Hillel there. The part on UCLA in the Critisism section contradicts that. Can someone look it up? -- Mr.spoof ( talk) 20:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I removed 3 red links in the "Critisism" Section. Mr.spoof ( talk) 20:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I am removing the last paragraph from this page because supporting abortion is not social justice. -- StevenL 20:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
So maybe an issue raised there is abortion law, but most of it does seem to be social justice-oriented. I will reinsert the paragraph, changing social justice to social activism. jnothman talk 14:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)The March for Women's Lives is primarily concerned with the rights of reproductive freedom and choice for all women. Other issues being brought to light in this march are family planning, health, justice, civil rights, and abortion law.
great :) -- StevenL 22:46, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm deleting the last half of the last paragraph. Unsourced accusations about behaviour of Hillel staff and random link to anti-zionist prof are not relevant. djheart 05:03, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I looked through it, and most of it is unsourced accusations about Hillel and Zionism, or non-functional links (or alt-right/far-left sources). Can I delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ari9999999 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
I moved the title from Hillel Society, which has never been the official name, to Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WBcoleman ( talk • contribs) .
The most recent revision was from an IP address that is located at Hillel's office. [2] So I reverted in principle. If someone wants to do a rewrite, go ahead. -- Posted by User:Hyim 17 May 2006 (info added by 201.78.233.162 03:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC) )
Many articles about many agencies were obviously written in-house by their PR departments. The article on Hillel is obviously not an "infomercial" of this sort. Seeing that some detractors have given their input to the article, I cannot see what is wrong with Hillel employees making some edits. Perhaps that is a "conflict of interest," but the same can be said for the critics. Do any of them have an axe to grind? I suspect so. For instance, user "Hraenfen" indicates on his page that "This user rejects as invalid all forms of spirituality or religion." He is, of course, entitled to his beliefs (or lack of them), but as an admitted atheist, might we surmise that this might influence his view of Hillel? Also, if an employee may not edit because of "conflict of interest," doesn't the same thing apply, for instance, to a disgruntled former employee? To a rival agency?
--Being a vegan and a beer drinker has nothing to do with Hillel. Being an atheist, on the other hand, indicates at least the appearance of a conflict of interest insofar as one might reasonably conclude that you have an antipathy toward matters religious and would be predisposed to defending criticisms of religion and religious institutions. Rather than spend time reversing edits of this already highly edited and badly written article, why not apply your zeal to the thousands of infomercials whch, regrettably, charaterize much of Wikipedia? Why is it that many/most articles about various agencies sound like Pravda in their limitless praise of the subject? Why tolerate such tripe? And by the way, I am also a vegan and a beer drinker--and I have no intention of editig wikipedia articles on either subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CaseyHamMD ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
"The organization was founded in 1923 at the University of Illinois by B'nai Brith .... By then, it encompassed 120 Hillel foundations and affiliates at an additional 400 campuses."
This makes no sense ("founded in 1923 ... by then it encompassed 120 Hillel foundations"). Can someone please clarify? Thanks. -- 201.78.233.162 03:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
It deeply offends me that this article talks about Hillel in such a negative light. While there may be some problems going on at the national level many local hillel's such as the one at Indiana University I attend is very open and representative of all people and I feel very welcome there. About 2/3 of the jewish students at IU come in yearly and each and every one talks about how welcome they feel and I know for a fact this is the case at most Hillel's. I think it is imperative that it be mentioned in this article that while nationally there might be problems a lot of local hillels do a great job of providing student services.
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It seems a lot of the articles current criticisms don't have sources supporting them so how come you are telling me I need sources to prove what I am saying.
Secondly I do have an account on Wikipedia I just did not log in when I wrote this.
Response to your response: I am well aware of the countless problems at Hillel nationally trust me, it just seems that you should make the article a bit more positive and mention how welcoming some local Hillel are as well. Also have you ever been to Hillel to know what it is like. I for one have been to several and the people there seemed to feel very welcomed and the staff was very welcoming.
It's absurd that this article spends so much time on the tiny "Open Hillel" movement, which is now defunct (though attempting a revival) compared to how much times it spends on actual Hillel. Open Hillel should and maybe does have its own entry, but the Hillel entry should be about Hillel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.148.104 ( talk) 15:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
I significantly changed (and condensed) this article a few weeks ago, does anyone else think the "advertising" notice can be deleted yet? Zavtrakat 01:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The criticisms may (or may not) have validity, but in light of the fact that Hillel has an 85 year history and exists on 550 campuses on 6 continents and touched tens of thousands of lives, it seems to me that the negative portrayal is altogether disproportionate--particularly the attacks on the two local directors. It is quite one thing to take issue with the organization as a whole or general trends within local Hillels -- but to highlight two local and isolated events is disproportionate. This occupies a significant portion of the entire article! It seems to me that somebody has an agenda. Think: the number of staff hours over 85 years on 550 campuses vs two events by two people at only two occasions on two campuses--one probably taking up no more than five minutes and the other arising from one meeting which probably was over in an hour. That would be like spending a third of an article on Lincoln taking about his wart. Not balanced!
Discuss to avert revert-war. To me, as written it doesn't belong because it's about a person who is connected with Hillel, not Hillel itself and not overtly acting in the name of Hillel. I have no problem with info that places Hillel in a negative light, provided that it's actually related to Hillel and not just someone who happens to be affiliated with it, and that it's worded to give the same meaning as the citation given. The citation here:
A poor leader isn't intrinsically a reflection of a poor organization. If this event is to be kept as evidence that "Hillel International refused to censure a staffer who assulted a women" then the cite needs to be supportive of that specifically, which the given cite does not appear to do (neither censuring nor Hillel International mentioned). DMacks 05:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed a number of editorial statements about the Seidler-Feller case. Editorial articles with titles such as "Rabbi beats up women" are lopsided commentary and do not reflect NPOV. Also, whomever deleted a reference to a news article and replaced it with a few editorials completely ignored standard Wikipedia practices. I also deleted a statement discussing "a legal settlement ordered by the court". Courts do not order civil settlements--settlements are agreed to by the parties involved, often in part, because the cost of litigation (in both financial and personal terms) exceeds the cost of a settlement. Affish11 04:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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It is indeed Edward Chauncey Baldwin. His father's name was Chauncey (with an "n") Edward Baldwin. See The Alumni Record of the University of Illinois at Urbana Page 474 and OBITUARY RECORD OF GRADUATES OF YALE UNIVERSITY DECEASED DURING THE YEAR 194O-1941 Page 61.
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In one of the paragraphs under the “Controversies” section, the following sentence is present: “In November 2013, Harvard Hillel barred Avraham Burg, a former Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, from speaking at Hillel because the event was co-sponsored by Harvard Palestinian Solidarity Committee, which supports BDS.”. In this sentence, it is unclear which event the phrase “the event” is referencing. 169.233.215.65 ( talk) 04:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)