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As Hezbollah main purpose is to attack Israel, the terrorist label needs to be prominent. 38.104.7.174 ( talk) 13:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
V.B.Speranza: This edit is in direct violation of MOS:TERRORIST. I attempted to engage you in discussion, but you simply deleted my entry on your Talk page and reverted my revert. I informed a recently active admin, who does not want to get involved. Hopefully you will engage in discussion instead of ignoring this message. The issue is not whether you or I consider Hezbollah a terrorist group; the issue is that Wikipedia's policy is to refrain from using such characterizations without attribution. The article mentions in multiple instances that Hezbollah is designated as a terrorist group by numerous countries and organizations. That is not in doubt.-- Orgullomoore ( talk) 22:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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It has to be written that it's terrorism organisation!!!!
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https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hizballah.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4300:EE90:75F6:18F4:6E3A:E056 ( talk) 06:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Western countries including the United States designate Hezbollah a terrorist organisation. So do U.S.-allied Gulf Arab states including Saudi Arabia. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-hezbollah-lebanese-group-backing-hamas-its-war-with-israel-2023-10-16/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4300:EE90:75F6:18F4:6E3A:E056 ( talk) 06:47, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I get why different Arab socialist parties and alike (Nasserist, Ba'athist, Gaddafist ect.) are called left-wing but Hezbollah? Braganza ( talk) 19:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
"Because the majority of the leftist parties' members came from the Shia community, this group was important for Hezbollah. Thus, Hezbollah has incorporated Shia with leftist leanings in its milieu–but not necessarily among its core military and leadership structure or trusted elites. Rather, these individuals have to be ideologically and religiously aligned, and Hezbollah has always been wary of leftist ideologies and views.
Because many communists and leftists supported Hezbollah's resistance but not its Islamic and ideological principles, the group sometimes had to tamp down its ideological stance when it needed support. Indeed, when Hezbollah highlighted its connection to Iran's velayat-e faqih, many leftists were critical and expressed disillusionment.
The tension between Hezbollah and the leftist milieu in Lebanon is increasing today because of two factors: (1) Hezbollah's financial crisis and (2) its involvement in Iran's regional wars. Many leftists genuinely supported Hezbollah's resistance rhetoric but not its ideology, even while they benefited from the group's services and political power. As both have started to decline, the leftists in Lebanon are becoming an internal challenge for Hezbollah." [1]
"Butler was asked whether the left could support Hamas and Hezbollah. She responded that "understanding Hamas, Hezbollah as social movements that are progressive, that are on the left, that are part of the global left, is extremely important." It was possible, she added, to see them this way while being critical of "certain dimensions" of them. She has since insisted that fury at her remarks decontextualizes them. ...
To critics of her claim that Hamas and Hezbollah were part of a "global left," she replies, "My first point was merely descriptive: those political organizations define themselves as anti-imperialist, and anti-imperialism is one characteristic of the global left." Declaring herself this time against both violent resistance and the state, a seemingly pacifist stance, she insisted that she never actually took a position. "To say that those organizations belong to the left is not to say that they should belong or that I endorse or support them in any way" [emphasis in the original]. ... Slavoj Žižek, himself anti-Zionist, has written against leftists prone to "an all- too-easy and uncritical acceptance of anti-American and anti-Western groups as representing 'progressive' forms of struggle, as automatic allies: groups like Hamas and Hezbollah all of a sudden appear as revolutionary agents, even though their ideology is explicitly anti-modern, rejecting the entire egalitarian legacy of the French revolution." He does not name Butler, but this remark seems an obvious rebuttal of her." [2]
It is difficult for the uninitiated to interpret what this group is from the article. It’s apparently a political party, but not really, or a militia, but not technically, etc. What are the demographics of this group? Is it like a political party as in the US, where most are not active or something else. It may be possible this is in the article, but it is not easy to glean anything without getting lost in the weeds. Given many people will be reading it in the current situation, the article needs to be revised with some basic facts at the beginning, and leave a lot of the rest for later in the article. The situation on Hamas seems easier to understand. Again, just what IS it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4300:EE90:F541:1AB1:F3EE:C13A ( talk) 10:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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In the chapter "Designation as a terrorist organization or resistance movement", Switzerland is incorrectly named as a country which has designated Hezbollah a terrorist organisation. This is inaccurate and the reference gives talks about the Czech Republic.
The following report by the Swiss government (unfortunately only in French and German) shows that Switzerland does not designate Hezbollah a terrorist organisation: https://www.admin.ch/gov/fr/accueil/documentation/communiques.msg-id-91070.html
Please delete the reference to Switzerland.
Thank you! Vpasquier ( talk) 09:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Nableezy I saw the article, but can you provide the actual list? It seems a bit far fetched. In Japanese wiki the Japanese write their government considers it terrorists when I last saw. I'd imagine they would have removed Japan from their list if such a change was done. Can you present the Public Security list? Homerethegreat ( talk) 08:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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Books describing Hezbollah as right-wing: 1 and 2. Bakbik1234 ( talk) 14:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done. Both are passing references, the first to some Hezbollah prisoners and the other to some Hezbollah woman. That does not mean that Hezbollah is right wing. Selfstudier ( talk) 14:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Sources describing Hezbollah as Islamic fundamentalist: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] Bakbik1234 ( talk) 01:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah
Lebanese Shiite fundamentalist Hezbollah
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah guerrillas.
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement.
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah, or Party of God
members of the Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement
The Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement, which for years has been waging a battle against the Israeli presence in Lebanon, took responsibility for the attacks.
In Lebanon, the fundamentalist Hezbollah is as dominant as ever
Lebanon's fundamentalist Hezbollah movement
Hi there. It is now more accepted to use Antisemitism instead of the outdated 'Anti-semitism'. The latter was a term created as a pseudo-scientific explanation for the hatred of Jews, often associated with the Nazi ideology of racial classification ( https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/spelling-antisemitism / https://www.adl.org/spelling-antisemitism-vs-anti-semitism). Thanks 81.108.69.245 ( talk) 01:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Per the United States government and the basic premis of their stated goals Hezbollah is and should be describes as a terrorist organization. According to the US government (citation below), "Hezbollah (“Party of God,” also spelled Hizballah) is an Iran-backed Lebanese Shia militia and U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO). Hezbollah is an Iranian partner force, helping Tehran project power across the region, train allied militias (reportedly including Hamas), and threaten U.S. interests and allies across the region." Also "According to the U.S. government, the External Security Organization (ESO, also known as the Islamic Jihad Organization), headed by Talal Hamiyah, is the arm of Hezbollah responsible for overseas terrorist attacks."
There is no excuse for Wikipedia to label Hezbollah as a "political party" when their stated goal of the destruction of the Jewish State. They are a terrorist group with roots in Islamic Jihad and should be labeled as such for the proper education of those researching.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10703#:~:text=Hezbollah%20(“Party%20of%20God%2C,Foreign%20Terrorist%20Organization%20(FTO).
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As Hezbollah main purpose is to attack Israel, the terrorist label needs to be prominent. 38.104.7.174 ( talk) 13:37, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
V.B.Speranza: This edit is in direct violation of MOS:TERRORIST. I attempted to engage you in discussion, but you simply deleted my entry on your Talk page and reverted my revert. I informed a recently active admin, who does not want to get involved. Hopefully you will engage in discussion instead of ignoring this message. The issue is not whether you or I consider Hezbollah a terrorist group; the issue is that Wikipedia's policy is to refrain from using such characterizations without attribution. The article mentions in multiple instances that Hezbollah is designated as a terrorist group by numerous countries and organizations. That is not in doubt.-- Orgullomoore ( talk) 22:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Ohnoitsjamie: Maybe you can help? I don't want to break the 1RR.-- Orgullomoore ( talk) 22:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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2A04:4A43:95DF:F69D:353A:A668:4341:81F2 ( talk) 11:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
It has to be written that it's terrorism organisation!!!!
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DeCausa (
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https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hizballah.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4300:EE90:75F6:18F4:6E3A:E056 ( talk) 06:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Western countries including the United States designate Hezbollah a terrorist organisation. So do U.S.-allied Gulf Arab states including Saudi Arabia. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-hezbollah-lebanese-group-backing-hamas-its-war-with-israel-2023-10-16/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4300:EE90:75F6:18F4:6E3A:E056 ( talk) 06:47, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I get why different Arab socialist parties and alike (Nasserist, Ba'athist, Gaddafist ect.) are called left-wing but Hezbollah? Braganza ( talk) 19:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
"Because the majority of the leftist parties' members came from the Shia community, this group was important for Hezbollah. Thus, Hezbollah has incorporated Shia with leftist leanings in its milieu–but not necessarily among its core military and leadership structure or trusted elites. Rather, these individuals have to be ideologically and religiously aligned, and Hezbollah has always been wary of leftist ideologies and views.
Because many communists and leftists supported Hezbollah's resistance but not its Islamic and ideological principles, the group sometimes had to tamp down its ideological stance when it needed support. Indeed, when Hezbollah highlighted its connection to Iran's velayat-e faqih, many leftists were critical and expressed disillusionment.
The tension between Hezbollah and the leftist milieu in Lebanon is increasing today because of two factors: (1) Hezbollah's financial crisis and (2) its involvement in Iran's regional wars. Many leftists genuinely supported Hezbollah's resistance rhetoric but not its ideology, even while they benefited from the group's services and political power. As both have started to decline, the leftists in Lebanon are becoming an internal challenge for Hezbollah." [1]
"Butler was asked whether the left could support Hamas and Hezbollah. She responded that "understanding Hamas, Hezbollah as social movements that are progressive, that are on the left, that are part of the global left, is extremely important." It was possible, she added, to see them this way while being critical of "certain dimensions" of them. She has since insisted that fury at her remarks decontextualizes them. ...
To critics of her claim that Hamas and Hezbollah were part of a "global left," she replies, "My first point was merely descriptive: those political organizations define themselves as anti-imperialist, and anti-imperialism is one characteristic of the global left." Declaring herself this time against both violent resistance and the state, a seemingly pacifist stance, she insisted that she never actually took a position. "To say that those organizations belong to the left is not to say that they should belong or that I endorse or support them in any way" [emphasis in the original]. ... Slavoj Žižek, himself anti-Zionist, has written against leftists prone to "an all- too-easy and uncritical acceptance of anti-American and anti-Western groups as representing 'progressive' forms of struggle, as automatic allies: groups like Hamas and Hezbollah all of a sudden appear as revolutionary agents, even though their ideology is explicitly anti-modern, rejecting the entire egalitarian legacy of the French revolution." He does not name Butler, but this remark seems an obvious rebuttal of her." [2]
It is difficult for the uninitiated to interpret what this group is from the article. It’s apparently a political party, but not really, or a militia, but not technically, etc. What are the demographics of this group? Is it like a political party as in the US, where most are not active or something else. It may be possible this is in the article, but it is not easy to glean anything without getting lost in the weeds. Given many people will be reading it in the current situation, the article needs to be revised with some basic facts at the beginning, and leave a lot of the rest for later in the article. The situation on Hamas seems easier to understand. Again, just what IS it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4300:EE90:F541:1AB1:F3EE:C13A ( talk) 10:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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In the chapter "Designation as a terrorist organization or resistance movement", Switzerland is incorrectly named as a country which has designated Hezbollah a terrorist organisation. This is inaccurate and the reference gives talks about the Czech Republic.
The following report by the Swiss government (unfortunately only in French and German) shows that Switzerland does not designate Hezbollah a terrorist organisation: https://www.admin.ch/gov/fr/accueil/documentation/communiques.msg-id-91070.html
Please delete the reference to Switzerland.
Thank you! Vpasquier ( talk) 09:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Nableezy I saw the article, but can you provide the actual list? It seems a bit far fetched. In Japanese wiki the Japanese write their government considers it terrorists when I last saw. I'd imagine they would have removed Japan from their list if such a change was done. Can you present the Public Security list? Homerethegreat ( talk) 08:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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Books describing Hezbollah as right-wing: 1 and 2. Bakbik1234 ( talk) 14:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done. Both are passing references, the first to some Hezbollah prisoners and the other to some Hezbollah woman. That does not mean that Hezbollah is right wing. Selfstudier ( talk) 14:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Sources describing Hezbollah as Islamic fundamentalist: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] Bakbik1234 ( talk) 01:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
References
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah
Lebanese Shiite fundamentalist Hezbollah
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah guerrillas.
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement.
Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah, or Party of God
members of the Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement
The Islamic fundamentalist Hezbollah movement, which for years has been waging a battle against the Israeli presence in Lebanon, took responsibility for the attacks.
In Lebanon, the fundamentalist Hezbollah is as dominant as ever
Lebanon's fundamentalist Hezbollah movement
Hi there. It is now more accepted to use Antisemitism instead of the outdated 'Anti-semitism'. The latter was a term created as a pseudo-scientific explanation for the hatred of Jews, often associated with the Nazi ideology of racial classification ( https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/spelling-antisemitism / https://www.adl.org/spelling-antisemitism-vs-anti-semitism). Thanks 81.108.69.245 ( talk) 01:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Per the United States government and the basic premis of their stated goals Hezbollah is and should be describes as a terrorist organization. According to the US government (citation below), "Hezbollah (“Party of God,” also spelled Hizballah) is an Iran-backed Lebanese Shia militia and U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO). Hezbollah is an Iranian partner force, helping Tehran project power across the region, train allied militias (reportedly including Hamas), and threaten U.S. interests and allies across the region." Also "According to the U.S. government, the External Security Organization (ESO, also known as the Islamic Jihad Organization), headed by Talal Hamiyah, is the arm of Hezbollah responsible for overseas terrorist attacks."
There is no excuse for Wikipedia to label Hezbollah as a "political party" when their stated goal of the destruction of the Jewish State. They are a terrorist group with roots in Islamic Jihad and should be labeled as such for the proper education of those researching.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10703#:~:text=Hezbollah%20(“Party%20of%20God%2C,Foreign%20Terrorist%20Organization%20(FTO).
2601:58B:E80:7B20:1DB8:234:24E2:895A (
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