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Since no one seems to be able to come up with a source for this and it appears to be non-notable, I'm proposing it for deletion. -- Xombie 01:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't Hertory be a better name, since History-His-=-tory, Her-+-tory=Hertory?
Principally yes. But the usual word-play interprets "history" as "his story" (it sounds like "his story if spoken) and so they invented the term "her story" or "herstory" respectively.
I keep posting
Women in Cuba (Herstory) [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cuba#Women_in_Cuba_.28Herstory.29
and some idiots keep deleting it. Go see it while it lasts. El Jigue 1/19/06
The usage in Sisterhood is Powerful quoted in the article appears to be a portmanteau of heresy and history. Шизомби 12:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
When is it going to be called ourstory?
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I am saddened by the reverts of my recent edits which gut the meaning of the article. The term is NOT a pun. It is an example of false etymology or faux amis. If you don't know the difference between a pun and those temrs, take the time to acquaint yourself with them. Taking those details out and further gutting my edit will only help strengthen the argument for deletion since they muddy the origin of the term. I know some people are dearly attached to the idea that the word is a [pun]] but it is NOT and none of the sources I could find of actual linguists refer to it as such. It is innapropriate and misleading to keep reverting to the description of the word as a pun. I put considerable time and effort into updating this article to save it from deletion. I respectfully request that my last edit on etymology be reverted. Lisapollison 18:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any citation for saying that the word is a pun? If there isn't we shouldn't be putting it in the article. -- Xombie 00:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Himalaya is also gender biased - it suggests that only men can climb mountains. Oh, you don't think so? Then delete this moronic article. Haizum 02:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Herstory is a term which originated as a neologism. – that sounds quite tautological, on a first read. After all, aren't all terms new when they are created? However, I suppose the idea is to say that it is a constructed term, as opposed to something that slowly grew to use. Is there a better way to word this? / skagedal ... 22:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The word has been used in feminist literature since its inception. - The linked article cites feminist literature earlier than the late 1960's-1970 (given variously as the earliest usage of the term). Please rectify -- perhaps "its inception" refers to the word, not to feminist literature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.21.180.134 ( talk) 17:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
This article seems completely one sided, since it presents absolutely no critical views of the term (it was, after all, invented by someone who completely misunderstood the etymology of the word "history," making it pointless). Would anyone like to start a criticism section? -- HarmonicFeather 04:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Indent reset. Criticism section added. Please ensure all potentially controversial content is well-sourced and balanced. Benjiboi 01:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
There has been in my experience a movement to minimize and delete articles of LGBT interest. My documentation of our subculture in such things as look alike contests have been called "silly" "unimportant" and "not worthy". THESE things are part of our Herstory and we must as a community unite. Please contact me so we can have a "queer army" to help in civil discussions on talk pages with this narrow minded fellow editors. Contact me Cr8tiv 18:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the offensive section title. Speaking as a "breeder" who marched in the local Gay Pride parade last month, I have no sympathy for people who use their perceived oppression as an excuse to oppress others. Now can we get back to the article? -- Rob C. alias Alarob 20:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd like some feedback on the use of Global Language Monitor as a source for the comment that "herstory" is the "third most politically incorrect word of 2006." [1] Concerns:
Maybe this could be included in a "trivia" section, but I have difficulty taking the Global Language Monitor seriously. Comments? -- Rob C. alias Alarob 21:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Those are not sources for the cited information (the PC list). They are media outlets that have mentioned the GLM website (according to the GLM website, anyway). My guess is that the mentions were mostly "lighter side" content and do not necessarily mark this website as a reliable source. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 22:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your open approach to the website, Benjiboi, but do not see how I can follow your advice. GLM is the original source for the information that "herstory" was selected as one of the most "politically (in)correct" words of 2006. Quoting CNN reporting the story does not make the selection itself any more or less credible. In this case, whether GLM is a reliable source is the whole issue. I propose removing the passage from this article. Concerns? -- Rob C. alias Alarob 22:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I like what you've done and think it puts GLM in a better context. Would like to see a more exact cite of Devoney Looser's book, so readers can go right to the relevant passage(s). But it's a good section and likely to get better as more users contribute. FWIW it's still my opinion that the "politically (in)correct" bit is so much fluff. It also seems to give the word too much importance. Maybe "herstory" still has currency that I'm unaware of, but it seems to me that it has done its part (a limited one), is fading from usage, and is unlikely to see an upswing. This article is about its history, which is notable. This blog essay surveys the question well (except for the fussing about etymology). It might deserve a link from the article. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 01:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
This is the explanation of why the term was classified as "politically incorrect" by GLM, as reported in the cited Reuters article: "In third was 'Herstory' substituting for 'History.' Payack said there are nearly 900,000 Google citations for 'Herstory,' all based on a mistaken assumption that 'history' is a sexist word. 'When Herodotus wrote the first history, the word meant simply an "inquiry,"' he said." This is completely unverifiable - how can Payack of the GLM know whether or not these 900,000 Google searches were based on this premise? From the article itself, as well as the talk page, it seems clear that this is not the only reason to use/search the term herstory. Including this reference seems to support this rather unfounded understanding of herstory and its usage. I suggest that this portion of the article be removed - I did so earlier, but it was reverted; in order to determine why this point should/shouldn't be included, I would appreciate further discussion. I realize that this was discussed above, but no conclusions about its appropriateness seem to have been reached as a result. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.251.182 ( talk) 03:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the word "strident" in reference to the criticism by Ms. Hoff Sommers. The Oxford American Dictionary defines "strident" as "loud and harsh; grating." It is not appropriate for a Wikipedia entry to offer an opinion about whether her opinions are "loud, harsh, or grating." Nicmart ( talk) 16:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
It says in the intro 'mistakenly restated as "his story"'. If I've undrestood the previous debates correctly it seems that it isn't possible to verify that it was a 'mistake' but a purposeful construction. The editor changed 'ironically' to 'mistakenly'. I think it would be better just to say 'restated as "his story". I'll change it for now. Calindreams ( talk) 09:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I may be wrong, but I have understood that the word ‘herstory’ was originally born as a linguistic joke, a spoof – a pseudo-feminist counterpart for the deliberately misunderstood ‘his story’. Then it was picked up by someone who didn't understand linguistics at all.
Pardon my English; it's a foreign language. Harjasusi ( talk) 00:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous contributor has changed the text to read The term attempts to hint at an alleged " political incorrectness" of the word "history", whereas before it was claimed to be a pun. His reference is a Reuters article which mentions the term in passing.
I don't think that this is a convincing reference at all, but neither am I sure that the term was based on a pun rather than a misunderstanding of the etymology of history. Has anyone really found an authoritative explanation for the origins of "herstory"? Was it coined in ignorance of etymology, or in a bit of knowing playfulness? Phiwum ( talk) 11:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that the Christina Hoff Sommers article shows a publication date of 1995 for this book, while this article shows 1994. The Amazon page allows one to read the copyright page of the book, and it says copyright 1994, first Touchstone edition 1995 (which leaves the possibility that an edition was published by another publisher).
So, does this count as a 1994 book or a 1995 book? Phiwum ( talk) 12:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: oppose (speedy close) Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 20:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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I think that the link in the first paragraph of "Usage" links to the wrong article. The reference to W.I.T.C.H. links to the Italian comic. There is a different article, that I assume was intended, to the Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.44.18 ( talk) 19:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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Since no one seems to be able to come up with a source for this and it appears to be non-notable, I'm proposing it for deletion. -- Xombie 01:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't Hertory be a better name, since History-His-=-tory, Her-+-tory=Hertory?
Principally yes. But the usual word-play interprets "history" as "his story" (it sounds like "his story if spoken) and so they invented the term "her story" or "herstory" respectively.
I keep posting
Women in Cuba (Herstory) [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cuba#Women_in_Cuba_.28Herstory.29
and some idiots keep deleting it. Go see it while it lasts. El Jigue 1/19/06
The usage in Sisterhood is Powerful quoted in the article appears to be a portmanteau of heresy and history. Шизомби 12:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
When is it going to be called ourstory?
203.211.113.83 (
talk) 04:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I am saddened by the reverts of my recent edits which gut the meaning of the article. The term is NOT a pun. It is an example of false etymology or faux amis. If you don't know the difference between a pun and those temrs, take the time to acquaint yourself with them. Taking those details out and further gutting my edit will only help strengthen the argument for deletion since they muddy the origin of the term. I know some people are dearly attached to the idea that the word is a [pun]] but it is NOT and none of the sources I could find of actual linguists refer to it as such. It is innapropriate and misleading to keep reverting to the description of the word as a pun. I put considerable time and effort into updating this article to save it from deletion. I respectfully request that my last edit on etymology be reverted. Lisapollison 18:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there any citation for saying that the word is a pun? If there isn't we shouldn't be putting it in the article. -- Xombie 00:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Himalaya is also gender biased - it suggests that only men can climb mountains. Oh, you don't think so? Then delete this moronic article. Haizum 02:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Herstory is a term which originated as a neologism. – that sounds quite tautological, on a first read. After all, aren't all terms new when they are created? However, I suppose the idea is to say that it is a constructed term, as opposed to something that slowly grew to use. Is there a better way to word this? / skagedal ... 22:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
The word has been used in feminist literature since its inception. - The linked article cites feminist literature earlier than the late 1960's-1970 (given variously as the earliest usage of the term). Please rectify -- perhaps "its inception" refers to the word, not to feminist literature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.21.180.134 ( talk) 17:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
This article seems completely one sided, since it presents absolutely no critical views of the term (it was, after all, invented by someone who completely misunderstood the etymology of the word "history," making it pointless). Would anyone like to start a criticism section? -- HarmonicFeather 04:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Indent reset. Criticism section added. Please ensure all potentially controversial content is well-sourced and balanced. Benjiboi 01:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
There has been in my experience a movement to minimize and delete articles of LGBT interest. My documentation of our subculture in such things as look alike contests have been called "silly" "unimportant" and "not worthy". THESE things are part of our Herstory and we must as a community unite. Please contact me so we can have a "queer army" to help in civil discussions on talk pages with this narrow minded fellow editors. Contact me Cr8tiv 18:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the offensive section title. Speaking as a "breeder" who marched in the local Gay Pride parade last month, I have no sympathy for people who use their perceived oppression as an excuse to oppress others. Now can we get back to the article? -- Rob C. alias Alarob 20:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd like some feedback on the use of Global Language Monitor as a source for the comment that "herstory" is the "third most politically incorrect word of 2006." [1] Concerns:
Maybe this could be included in a "trivia" section, but I have difficulty taking the Global Language Monitor seriously. Comments? -- Rob C. alias Alarob 21:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Those are not sources for the cited information (the PC list). They are media outlets that have mentioned the GLM website (according to the GLM website, anyway). My guess is that the mentions were mostly "lighter side" content and do not necessarily mark this website as a reliable source. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 22:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate your open approach to the website, Benjiboi, but do not see how I can follow your advice. GLM is the original source for the information that "herstory" was selected as one of the most "politically (in)correct" words of 2006. Quoting CNN reporting the story does not make the selection itself any more or less credible. In this case, whether GLM is a reliable source is the whole issue. I propose removing the passage from this article. Concerns? -- Rob C. alias Alarob 22:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I like what you've done and think it puts GLM in a better context. Would like to see a more exact cite of Devoney Looser's book, so readers can go right to the relevant passage(s). But it's a good section and likely to get better as more users contribute. FWIW it's still my opinion that the "politically (in)correct" bit is so much fluff. It also seems to give the word too much importance. Maybe "herstory" still has currency that I'm unaware of, but it seems to me that it has done its part (a limited one), is fading from usage, and is unlikely to see an upswing. This article is about its history, which is notable. This blog essay surveys the question well (except for the fussing about etymology). It might deserve a link from the article. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 01:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
This is the explanation of why the term was classified as "politically incorrect" by GLM, as reported in the cited Reuters article: "In third was 'Herstory' substituting for 'History.' Payack said there are nearly 900,000 Google citations for 'Herstory,' all based on a mistaken assumption that 'history' is a sexist word. 'When Herodotus wrote the first history, the word meant simply an "inquiry,"' he said." This is completely unverifiable - how can Payack of the GLM know whether or not these 900,000 Google searches were based on this premise? From the article itself, as well as the talk page, it seems clear that this is not the only reason to use/search the term herstory. Including this reference seems to support this rather unfounded understanding of herstory and its usage. I suggest that this portion of the article be removed - I did so earlier, but it was reverted; in order to determine why this point should/shouldn't be included, I would appreciate further discussion. I realize that this was discussed above, but no conclusions about its appropriateness seem to have been reached as a result. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.251.182 ( talk) 03:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the word "strident" in reference to the criticism by Ms. Hoff Sommers. The Oxford American Dictionary defines "strident" as "loud and harsh; grating." It is not appropriate for a Wikipedia entry to offer an opinion about whether her opinions are "loud, harsh, or grating." Nicmart ( talk) 16:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
It says in the intro 'mistakenly restated as "his story"'. If I've undrestood the previous debates correctly it seems that it isn't possible to verify that it was a 'mistake' but a purposeful construction. The editor changed 'ironically' to 'mistakenly'. I think it would be better just to say 'restated as "his story". I'll change it for now. Calindreams ( talk) 09:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I may be wrong, but I have understood that the word ‘herstory’ was originally born as a linguistic joke, a spoof – a pseudo-feminist counterpart for the deliberately misunderstood ‘his story’. Then it was picked up by someone who didn't understand linguistics at all.
Pardon my English; it's a foreign language. Harjasusi ( talk) 00:16, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous contributor has changed the text to read The term attempts to hint at an alleged " political incorrectness" of the word "history", whereas before it was claimed to be a pun. His reference is a Reuters article which mentions the term in passing.
I don't think that this is a convincing reference at all, but neither am I sure that the term was based on a pun rather than a misunderstanding of the etymology of history. Has anyone really found an authoritative explanation for the origins of "herstory"? Was it coined in ignorance of etymology, or in a bit of knowing playfulness? Phiwum ( talk) 11:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that the Christina Hoff Sommers article shows a publication date of 1995 for this book, while this article shows 1994. The Amazon page allows one to read the copyright page of the book, and it says copyright 1994, first Touchstone edition 1995 (which leaves the possibility that an edition was published by another publisher).
So, does this count as a 1994 book or a 1995 book? Phiwum ( talk) 12:56, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: oppose (speedy close) Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 20:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Herstory → Hertory – "History", minus "his", plus "her" is "hertory", not "herstory". – Article editor ( talk) 02:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
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I think that the link in the first paragraph of "Usage" links to the wrong article. The reference to W.I.T.C.H. links to the Italian comic. There is a different article, that I assume was intended, to the Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.44.18 ( talk) 19:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
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