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Nunquam Dormio 19:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)The reading list added by Nighthawk seems a rather general WW1 list. Anyone know whether these books add any real insight into Plumer?
Those books listed that were removed provide limited but valid information regarding Plumer.
Of particular interest are Haigs Command, Deaths Men and Meine Kriegserinnerungen. If you have not read these books how can you feel qualified to delete this input?-- Nighthawkx15 23:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Nighthawk
"Few of the serving troops would have seen any of the five army commanders (Henry Horne, 1st Baron Horne, Plumer, Julian Byng, Hubert Gough, Henry Rawlinson, 1st Baron Rawlinson) in person, let alone the commander in Chief (John French, 1st Earl of Ypres then Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig). "
does this mean that Plumer was seen by the troops and that he was at the front lines? or is the sentence just a statement
Got rid of the statement that many of the British commanders in WW1 were from the Cavalry. This is a widely believed myth - apart from Haig and one engineer all corps commanders and above were (for fairly obvious reasons) infantrymen.
This is a good example of why I no longer contribute to Wikipedia I'm tired of ignorant people editing my efforts. You will of course be able to cite the background - cavalry or infantry- of the following army commanders
Allenby Gough Plumer Horne Birdwood Rawlinson Byng I can't be bothered -- 84.57.40.184 ( talk) 09:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Nighthawkx15
The tone of this article seems to be that Plumer was a good general, but it isnt the business of wikipedia to pass this kind of judgement. The sentence on his appearance in particular strikes me as PoV. -- Shimbo 22:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
One source for the Blimp appearance - Keegan, John & Wheatcroft, Andrew. Who's Who in Military History. New York, NY: Routledge. 2002. p. 241. "...though his white moustache, red face, and dumpy figure provided the model for David Low's famous Colonel Blimp." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maclilus ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Just read the Geoffrey Powell biog of Plumer, which has been on my "ought to get round to reading" list for 30 years. In the section on his Governorship of Palestine he quotes somebody (?Ronald Storrs) warning somebody about to meet Plumer that "he looks silly, but he isn't". Paulturtle ( talk) 23:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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How is he pronounced? Is it "ploomer" or "plumber"? Bagunceiro ( talk) 22:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Although this appears to be a blog, the linked page is reportedly a "paper written and submitted to American Military University on November 29, 2015". It does, at the very least, have a decent bibliography which could be used by somebody who has access to some of those books to verify if the information can be used for this page - which currently seems to be based on mostly contemporary newspapers. 135.23.202.24 ( talk) 01:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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Nunquam Dormio 19:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)The reading list added by Nighthawk seems a rather general WW1 list. Anyone know whether these books add any real insight into Plumer?
Those books listed that were removed provide limited but valid information regarding Plumer.
Of particular interest are Haigs Command, Deaths Men and Meine Kriegserinnerungen. If you have not read these books how can you feel qualified to delete this input?-- Nighthawkx15 23:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Nighthawk
"Few of the serving troops would have seen any of the five army commanders (Henry Horne, 1st Baron Horne, Plumer, Julian Byng, Hubert Gough, Henry Rawlinson, 1st Baron Rawlinson) in person, let alone the commander in Chief (John French, 1st Earl of Ypres then Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig). "
does this mean that Plumer was seen by the troops and that he was at the front lines? or is the sentence just a statement
Got rid of the statement that many of the British commanders in WW1 were from the Cavalry. This is a widely believed myth - apart from Haig and one engineer all corps commanders and above were (for fairly obvious reasons) infantrymen.
This is a good example of why I no longer contribute to Wikipedia I'm tired of ignorant people editing my efforts. You will of course be able to cite the background - cavalry or infantry- of the following army commanders
Allenby Gough Plumer Horne Birdwood Rawlinson Byng I can't be bothered -- 84.57.40.184 ( talk) 09:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Nighthawkx15
The tone of this article seems to be that Plumer was a good general, but it isnt the business of wikipedia to pass this kind of judgement. The sentence on his appearance in particular strikes me as PoV. -- Shimbo 22:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
One source for the Blimp appearance - Keegan, John & Wheatcroft, Andrew. Who's Who in Military History. New York, NY: Routledge. 2002. p. 241. "...though his white moustache, red face, and dumpy figure provided the model for David Low's famous Colonel Blimp." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maclilus ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Just read the Geoffrey Powell biog of Plumer, which has been on my "ought to get round to reading" list for 30 years. In the section on his Governorship of Palestine he quotes somebody (?Ronald Storrs) warning somebody about to meet Plumer that "he looks silly, but he isn't". Paulturtle ( talk) 23:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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How is he pronounced? Is it "ploomer" or "plumber"? Bagunceiro ( talk) 22:53, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Although this appears to be a blog, the linked page is reportedly a "paper written and submitted to American Military University on November 29, 2015". It does, at the very least, have a decent bibliography which could be used by somebody who has access to some of those books to verify if the information can be used for this page - which currently seems to be based on mostly contemporary newspapers. 135.23.202.24 ( talk) 01:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)