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On 14 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Henryk IV Probus to Henry Probus. The result of the discussion was moved. |
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Henry of Bresslau is recorded in the Codex Manesse or Grosse Heidelberger Liederhandschrift , a book containing poems by famous German poets and rulers of the 12st and 13st century. This book contains illustrations and it shows duke Henry IV (- 1290) of Schlesien Bresslau as Heinrich von Pressela displaying the Silesian eagle.
This has to be among the the worst of H.J.'s "contributions" to date: no header ordinal, no title, can't even spell the place (Henry the what of Breslau?); it doen't even mention his having been senior prince of Poland (the nearest thing to a head of state of the whole country in 1138-1320 in the absence of a king), a rather more important matter than his having once written some poetry.
It's quite obvious that the writer has never heard of the subject before and knows nothing about him other than one obscure occurence of his name. So why even attempt to write such an abysmal article about a well-known ruler without the slightest effort to find out about him (in fact most of it is about the book)? And why is the form "Heinrich von Pressela" ("Henry of Breslau", already referred to in both heading and article) so worthy of particular note? David Parker
Henry of Bresslau is recorded in the Codex Manesse or Grosse Heidelberger Liederhandschrift , a book containing poems by famous German poets and rulers of the 12st and 13st century. This book contains illustrations and it shows duke Henry IV (- 1290) of Schlesien Bresslau as Heinrich von Pressela displaying the Silesian eagle.
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1. At that time it was still Poland - duchy of Wroclaw was nothing more than one of many duches of fragmentated Poland. All of the dukes were (at least in theory subdued to senior duke of Poland. 2. According to my knowledge Wroclaw is more used in English.
This move [1] was done without discussion, without a proper RM, and then the user salted the original. This kind of behavior is disruptive. I would appreciate if the page was moved back. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
A proper RM can of course can be conducted subsequently. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Like Boleslaw I the Tall, Henry IV the Righteous cannot be called "Probus" in an English wiki. This is not a Polish wikipedia after all. Also, the names of towns should be as common in the 13th century Silesia under the Holy Roman Empire, when the German original, first-written forms were used. This means Glogau, Oppeln. And not 'Glogów' and other attempts to revise and falsify Medieval history. However desirable from the Polish national point of view this may seem. I hope you respect historical objectivity in this lemma, which was moved. Or can we no longer use August the Strong, should this be Polonized in an English wikipedia Smith2006 ( talk) 09:48, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. No objections to the move after more than a month. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Celia Homeford ( talk) 10:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Henryk IV Probus → Henry Probus – Per WP:NCROY. "Use the most common, unambiguous name: Carl XVI Gustaf, Elizabeth II, Alfonso XII, Louis XIV, William the Conqueror, John Balliol, Mary, Queen of Scots, Eric of Pomerania, Charlemagne. This is in line with WP:COMMONNAME." "Henry Probus" is more common than "Henryk Probus" "Henryk IV Probus" (the current title) and "Henry IV Probus" [6] UmbrellaTheLeef ( talk) 20:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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Henry Probus was a History good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||
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On 14 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Henryk IV Probus to Henry Probus. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Earlier article:
Henry of Bresslau is recorded in the Codex Manesse or Grosse Heidelberger Liederhandschrift , a book containing poems by famous German poets and rulers of the 12st and 13st century. This book contains illustrations and it shows duke Henry IV (- 1290) of Schlesien Bresslau as Heinrich von Pressela displaying the Silesian eagle.
This has to be among the the worst of H.J.'s "contributions" to date: no header ordinal, no title, can't even spell the place (Henry the what of Breslau?); it doen't even mention his having been senior prince of Poland (the nearest thing to a head of state of the whole country in 1138-1320 in the absence of a king), a rather more important matter than his having once written some poetry.
It's quite obvious that the writer has never heard of the subject before and knows nothing about him other than one obscure occurence of his name. So why even attempt to write such an abysmal article about a well-known ruler without the slightest effort to find out about him (in fact most of it is about the book)? And why is the form "Heinrich von Pressela" ("Henry of Breslau", already referred to in both heading and article) so worthy of particular note? David Parker
Henry of Bresslau is recorded in the Codex Manesse or Grosse Heidelberger Liederhandschrift , a book containing poems by famous German poets and rulers of the 12st and 13st century. This book contains illustrations and it shows duke Henry IV (- 1290) of Schlesien Bresslau as Heinrich von Pressela displaying the Silesian eagle.
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1. At that time it was still Poland - duchy of Wroclaw was nothing more than one of many duches of fragmentated Poland. All of the dukes were (at least in theory subdued to senior duke of Poland. 2. According to my knowledge Wroclaw is more used in English.
This move [1] was done without discussion, without a proper RM, and then the user salted the original. This kind of behavior is disruptive. I would appreciate if the page was moved back. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
A proper RM can of course can be conducted subsequently. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 20:58, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Like Boleslaw I the Tall, Henry IV the Righteous cannot be called "Probus" in an English wiki. This is not a Polish wikipedia after all. Also, the names of towns should be as common in the 13th century Silesia under the Holy Roman Empire, when the German original, first-written forms were used. This means Glogau, Oppeln. And not 'Glogów' and other attempts to revise and falsify Medieval history. However desirable from the Polish national point of view this may seem. I hope you respect historical objectivity in this lemma, which was moved. Or can we no longer use August the Strong, should this be Polonized in an English wikipedia Smith2006 ( talk) 09:48, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. No objections to the move after more than a month. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Celia Homeford ( talk) 10:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Henryk IV Probus → Henry Probus – Per WP:NCROY. "Use the most common, unambiguous name: Carl XVI Gustaf, Elizabeth II, Alfonso XII, Louis XIV, William the Conqueror, John Balliol, Mary, Queen of Scots, Eric of Pomerania, Charlemagne. This is in line with WP:COMMONNAME." "Henry Probus" is more common than "Henryk Probus" "Henryk IV Probus" (the current title) and "Henry IV Probus" [6] UmbrellaTheLeef ( talk) 20:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)