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This text seems to be a literal copy of http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Lorentz.html . Can somebody confirm or deny the text is in the public domain?
Someone added the above line as (non-existing) link. Quite useless for the time being, and in itself perhaps useless - or we should also start Einsteinian relativity, Minkowskian relativity etc... Harald88 19:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
According to the article, "He re-discovered Woldemar Voigt's local time ( relativity of simultaneity) which applies to moving clocks." I know some writings by Voigt, but nothing like that. Please sustain it with reference material, or we have to change it. Harald88 12:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Harald88 14:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
"In 1899 and again in 1904 Lorentz added time dilation to his transformations and published what Henri Poincare in 1905 named the Lorentz transformations. [..] Larmor's and Lorentz's equations look unfamilar, but are algebraically equivalent to those presented by Poincaré and Einstein in 1905 (see Macrossan (1986))."
I remember having seen contrary statements in other overview papers. Thus it is worthwhile (and it is planned) to verify the above more carefully then by simply citing one review. Please only add information here below (either citation of alternative peer reviewed opinions or direct original information that is not open for interpretation). Harald88 16:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The algebra required to get from eq. 3, Macrossan (1986) [Larmor's way of writing the Lorentz transfoamation] to eq. 1, Macrossan (1986) [Poincare's (1905) way of writing the Lorentz transformtion] can be checked by a school-student. So I guess the un-resolved issue must be the claim in Macrossan (1986) that eq. 3 in his paper is identical to the Lorentz transformations as written by Lorentz in 1904 and 1899. To help someone else check this, I offer some help: Lorentz (1904) wrote his transformations as eqs. 3, 4 and 5 of his paper. There is a factor l on the RHS, which Lorentz then sets to 1 (in 1899 Lorentz left l undetermined). The equations are then the same as eq.3 in Macrossan (1986). One has to be careful about what x on the RHS means. It is not the x that Poincare and Einstein use (i.e. coordinate of a point in moving frame refered to the rest frame). It is what Lorentz might call the true distance between two points in the moving frame (as opposed to what would be measured in the moving frame by contracted rulers). That is, in Lorentz's eqs. 4 and 5, x is the (x-vt) term in the modern form of the equations (a change of notation). E4mmacro 21:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Who made the famous remark? Who is "he"? I guess Lorentz. If so it should say so; "This led Lorentz to the famous remark ...". Also, what is the reference and how famous is it? I didn't think this quote is very important. E4mmacro 10:16, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s3-06/3-06.htm Harald88 13:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I put a ref to his successor Paul Ehrenfest back into the main text. I put it in preciously, but it was removed soon thereafter by Ragesoss with the remark of removed irrelevant info. I strongly disagree with that rollback: it is important to point out that the great tradition in Theoretical Physics in Leiden was continued after his departure; perhaps we should even elaborate on that. 67.72.98.82 07:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
H.A. Lorentz, Collected Papers, 9 vols ('s-Gravenhage: Nijhoff, 1935-1939), which contains a complete list of Lorentz's publications (vol. 9, 411-434)
The biography @ Nobelprize.org states the following "Hendrik Antoon Lorentz was born at Arnhem, The Netherlands, on July 18, 1853, as the son of nursery-owner Gerrit Frederik Lorentz and his wife née Geertruida van Ginkel. When he was four years old, his mother died, and in 1862 his father married Luberta Hupkes." It appears that this info has been copied over and over again, as it re-appears like that all over the internet.
I have here right in front of me a photocopy of the death certificate of Geertruida van Ginkel, from the archives of the municipality of Arnhem. It reads as follows (my translation):
"Today, December 2nd of the year eighteen hundred and sixty one have appeared before us, Henri Jean Kronenberg
J.D.,
Alderman and Official of
Civil registration of the
Municipality of
Arnhem, Province
Gelderland
Gerrit Fredrik Lorentz, thirty nine years old, occupation
shopkeeper, and
Hendrik Anthonie Dambrink, fifty two years old, occupation carpenter
both residing here, who declared that on Sunday the first of this month, at one o'clock in the morning
Geertruida van Ginkel, born in Utrecht, residing here, without occupation, housewife of the first, earlier widow of Jan Jacob Jansen, daughter of the late Teunis van Ginkel and of Maria Simons, without occupation, residing in Beusichem, has died at the age of thirty five years and five months, at the Steenstraat in this municipality.
Of which we prepared this certificate, which after having been read has been signed by both persons mentioned before and by us
signed: G.F. Lorentz H.A. Dambrink H.J. Kronenberg"
(thanks to the webmaster of
Genealogie van Teunis van Ginkel).
From this it appears that Hendrik was eight years old when his mother died, not four years as stated in the Nobelprize.org biography, and that his father was a shopkeeper rather than a nursery-owner. It is of course possible that Gerrit Lorentz had a retail nursery, but I have no information on that. JdH 17:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Also his birth date and date of death do not add up to the age given at the time of his death. Perhaps he died at the age of 84 rather than 74? Xorsprite ( talk) 03:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
with Konrad Lorenz, zoologist and Nobel prize winner! -- 80.30.222.252 ( talk) 17:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
and with the explorer Hendrikus Albertus Lorentz (1871-1944) who was actually the author of the book on New Guinea that is here attributed to Lorentz. That Lorentz was also a botanist is plain wrong. This needs to be corrected. Comment by AJ Kox 131.215.132.93 ( talk) 00:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The link that should have led to the footage of the funereal procession of Lorentz goes to a dead end in Dutch. I did find the footage on You Tube, and did try to add the link to that video: youtu.be/H2VtrJD0xJk, but the Wikipedia insisted that said links are verboten. -- Brothernight ( talk) 04:07, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
The Dutch surname Lorentz is equal to the English surname Lawrence, in both cases the stress is on the first syllable. However, in English Lorentz is apparently pronounced with stress on the final syllable, according to Forvo ( L.force, L.transformation). Do all English speakers stress the final syllable? (To me, English is foreign.) Then it might be interesting to mention this oddity in the article. Ceinturion ( talk) 23:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Why is it that the biographical article on Hendrik Antoon Lorentz does not list (or even mention) the Lorentz Force Law as one of his contributions? I find that Lorentz's biographical article, in describing his contributions, emphasizes only those related to special relativity, but not elctromagnatism. The significance of the Lorentz Force Law lies in the fact that it "completes" Maxwell's equations of electrodynamics; whereas Maxwell's equations tell us how electric charges and currents influence the electric and magnatic fields, Lorentz's law tells us the converse: how the electric and magnetic fields influence the charges. This significance is indeed mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Lorentz Force Law; yet the law is not mentioned in Lorents's biography.
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This text seems to be a literal copy of http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Lorentz.html . Can somebody confirm or deny the text is in the public domain?
Someone added the above line as (non-existing) link. Quite useless for the time being, and in itself perhaps useless - or we should also start Einsteinian relativity, Minkowskian relativity etc... Harald88 19:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
According to the article, "He re-discovered Woldemar Voigt's local time ( relativity of simultaneity) which applies to moving clocks." I know some writings by Voigt, but nothing like that. Please sustain it with reference material, or we have to change it. Harald88 12:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Harald88 14:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
"In 1899 and again in 1904 Lorentz added time dilation to his transformations and published what Henri Poincare in 1905 named the Lorentz transformations. [..] Larmor's and Lorentz's equations look unfamilar, but are algebraically equivalent to those presented by Poincaré and Einstein in 1905 (see Macrossan (1986))."
I remember having seen contrary statements in other overview papers. Thus it is worthwhile (and it is planned) to verify the above more carefully then by simply citing one review. Please only add information here below (either citation of alternative peer reviewed opinions or direct original information that is not open for interpretation). Harald88 16:09, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The algebra required to get from eq. 3, Macrossan (1986) [Larmor's way of writing the Lorentz transfoamation] to eq. 1, Macrossan (1986) [Poincare's (1905) way of writing the Lorentz transformtion] can be checked by a school-student. So I guess the un-resolved issue must be the claim in Macrossan (1986) that eq. 3 in his paper is identical to the Lorentz transformations as written by Lorentz in 1904 and 1899. To help someone else check this, I offer some help: Lorentz (1904) wrote his transformations as eqs. 3, 4 and 5 of his paper. There is a factor l on the RHS, which Lorentz then sets to 1 (in 1899 Lorentz left l undetermined). The equations are then the same as eq.3 in Macrossan (1986). One has to be careful about what x on the RHS means. It is not the x that Poincare and Einstein use (i.e. coordinate of a point in moving frame refered to the rest frame). It is what Lorentz might call the true distance between two points in the moving frame (as opposed to what would be measured in the moving frame by contracted rulers). That is, in Lorentz's eqs. 4 and 5, x is the (x-vt) term in the modern form of the equations (a change of notation). E4mmacro 21:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Who made the famous remark? Who is "he"? I guess Lorentz. If so it should say so; "This led Lorentz to the famous remark ...". Also, what is the reference and how famous is it? I didn't think this quote is very important. E4mmacro 10:16, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s3-06/3-06.htm Harald88 13:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I put a ref to his successor Paul Ehrenfest back into the main text. I put it in preciously, but it was removed soon thereafter by Ragesoss with the remark of removed irrelevant info. I strongly disagree with that rollback: it is important to point out that the great tradition in Theoretical Physics in Leiden was continued after his departure; perhaps we should even elaborate on that. 67.72.98.82 07:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
H.A. Lorentz, Collected Papers, 9 vols ('s-Gravenhage: Nijhoff, 1935-1939), which contains a complete list of Lorentz's publications (vol. 9, 411-434)
The biography @ Nobelprize.org states the following "Hendrik Antoon Lorentz was born at Arnhem, The Netherlands, on July 18, 1853, as the son of nursery-owner Gerrit Frederik Lorentz and his wife née Geertruida van Ginkel. When he was four years old, his mother died, and in 1862 his father married Luberta Hupkes." It appears that this info has been copied over and over again, as it re-appears like that all over the internet.
I have here right in front of me a photocopy of the death certificate of Geertruida van Ginkel, from the archives of the municipality of Arnhem. It reads as follows (my translation):
"Today, December 2nd of the year eighteen hundred and sixty one have appeared before us, Henri Jean Kronenberg
J.D.,
Alderman and Official of
Civil registration of the
Municipality of
Arnhem, Province
Gelderland
Gerrit Fredrik Lorentz, thirty nine years old, occupation
shopkeeper, and
Hendrik Anthonie Dambrink, fifty two years old, occupation carpenter
both residing here, who declared that on Sunday the first of this month, at one o'clock in the morning
Geertruida van Ginkel, born in Utrecht, residing here, without occupation, housewife of the first, earlier widow of Jan Jacob Jansen, daughter of the late Teunis van Ginkel and of Maria Simons, without occupation, residing in Beusichem, has died at the age of thirty five years and five months, at the Steenstraat in this municipality.
Of which we prepared this certificate, which after having been read has been signed by both persons mentioned before and by us
signed: G.F. Lorentz H.A. Dambrink H.J. Kronenberg"
(thanks to the webmaster of
Genealogie van Teunis van Ginkel).
From this it appears that Hendrik was eight years old when his mother died, not four years as stated in the Nobelprize.org biography, and that his father was a shopkeeper rather than a nursery-owner. It is of course possible that Gerrit Lorentz had a retail nursery, but I have no information on that. JdH 17:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Also his birth date and date of death do not add up to the age given at the time of his death. Perhaps he died at the age of 84 rather than 74? Xorsprite ( talk) 03:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
with Konrad Lorenz, zoologist and Nobel prize winner! -- 80.30.222.252 ( talk) 17:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
and with the explorer Hendrikus Albertus Lorentz (1871-1944) who was actually the author of the book on New Guinea that is here attributed to Lorentz. That Lorentz was also a botanist is plain wrong. This needs to be corrected. Comment by AJ Kox 131.215.132.93 ( talk) 00:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The link that should have led to the footage of the funereal procession of Lorentz goes to a dead end in Dutch. I did find the footage on You Tube, and did try to add the link to that video: youtu.be/H2VtrJD0xJk, but the Wikipedia insisted that said links are verboten. -- Brothernight ( talk) 04:07, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
The Dutch surname Lorentz is equal to the English surname Lawrence, in both cases the stress is on the first syllable. However, in English Lorentz is apparently pronounced with stress on the final syllable, according to Forvo ( L.force, L.transformation). Do all English speakers stress the final syllable? (To me, English is foreign.) Then it might be interesting to mention this oddity in the article. Ceinturion ( talk) 23:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Why is it that the biographical article on Hendrik Antoon Lorentz does not list (or even mention) the Lorentz Force Law as one of his contributions? I find that Lorentz's biographical article, in describing his contributions, emphasizes only those related to special relativity, but not elctromagnatism. The significance of the Lorentz Force Law lies in the fact that it "completes" Maxwell's equations of electrodynamics; whereas Maxwell's equations tell us how electric charges and currents influence the electric and magnatic fields, Lorentz's law tells us the converse: how the electric and magnetic fields influence the charges. This significance is indeed mentioned in the Wikipedia article on Lorentz Force Law; yet the law is not mentioned in Lorents's biography.
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