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Could somebody fix this nonsense? These are educational institutions preparing people for all manner of blue-collar jobs, and sometimes maybe low-level white-collar jobs. None of the indicators of the institution being a uni is there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.179.227 ( talk) 12:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
They were polytechnics - which can be seen in the UK before 1993 when they all became universities. Finland has undergone the same process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.7.24 ( talk) 17:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The article says that "It is the world's northernmost metro area of over one million people", yet the article it links to says this is Saint Petersburg. Is there a source for the Helsinki statement? - quispiam talk [Anton Nordenfur] 23:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
213.250.71.250 ( talk) 08:33, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't like to remove large chunks of text without a note, so here it is: I intend to revert this large chunk of recently added text. It's either speculative original research ("The expensive public transport tickets aim to support and increase the private traffic"), a coatrack for unrelated issues ("China is an authoritarian one-party state"), or downright bizarre ("Public transport lines are occupied with skyscraper since most women dislike skyscrapers and more women use public transport than men"). Regards, Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 16:45, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Pihjalasaari is a very popular island with boaters and families. It has a popular guest harbor and a good sandy beach. On hot summer weekends there are big queues of families waiting for the ferries to/from the island. There is even a recreation centre for old age pensioners on the island.
This article misrepresents the island by emphasizing the nudist beach and gay men. This is a very small part of the island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldhigsonian ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. M2545 ( talk) 11:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Helsingfors is said to be pronounced [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔʂ], but I, who speak quite standard Finland Swedish, would never pronounce it like that, rather (though I'm not so good with IPA) [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔrs]. I think that hɛlsɪŋˈfɔʂ is how it's pronounced in Sweden. This has been discussed in archive 1 under the title 'Pronunciation' because of the same problem for 9 years ago. There is probably no file with the correct pronunciation, but I think the file with the wrong pronunciation should be removed and [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔʂ] should be replaced with [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔrs], or removed. It is better with no information than wrong information. K9re11 ( talk) 02:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
It would be preferable if the pronunciation audio of Helsingfors (the Swedish name) were in Finland Swedish, rather than Stockholm Swedish as it is at the moment. Could we have a native speaker of Finland Swedish pronounce it instead? @ K9re11: Could you upload a recording and replace it? -- Lundgren8 ( t · c) 23:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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This article seems to have (had) a size crisis. Many phrases, intentionally or otherwise, have emphasized the largeness of certain elements of the city, be it neighborhoods or population density. As Wikipedia’s goal is to provide for articles that are as neutral in tone as relevant, I’ve removed and replaced some of those in the hopes of bringing this to a Good Article status in the future. Cheers, Pessimistipasta ( talk) 00:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Pessimistipasta ( talk) 00:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
The article mentions the city's English-language abbreviation as "HEL". As I understand it, that's used more often to apply to Helsinki Airport. Any reputable sources backing this up would be much appreciated. - Pessimistipasta ( talk) 15:35, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
On what basis is this edit a "correction"? BBC English is to always stress first syllable. Please note that the current version is one of long-standing consensus and is supported by two WP:RS sources. Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Indeed hel-SINK-ee sounds alien to natives, easily interpretable as 'hel sinki': two separate words. Furthermore, the syllables should be divided as HEL-sing-kee in the pronunciation guide, not as HEL-sink-ee. A native would not pause after the k sound. But if this helps an English speaker not to produce too much fortis pronunciation, as is normal in the English words like 'key' (heard as khi/khii in Finnish), then the practice is understandable, and is to be allowed to remain as the version producing the desired result. -- TiM19fi ( talk) 15:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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The info BOX (which I cannot see how to edit) has different language totals from the article. Can someone that can edit fix this to the uptodate totals. In any case they are misleading as the Finnishg system only records one mother language per person and some people are bilingual (as you must pass a swedish test to graduate university it can be argued there are a lot more swedish speakers than suggested by this figure) or even trilingual and this is not recorded in the data collected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.7.24 ( talk) 17:14, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
There is the image of a high-rise apartment building (134 meters tall), with a link to the article on "skyscrapers", which starts by saying that a skyscraper is a building taller than 150 meters. This is an inconsistency. The easiest way to fix this is to not use the word "skyscraper" here. I am sure there is a lot of resistance to this from some quarters, but I think it should still be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.92.14.190 ( talk) 13:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
The "Population by mother tongue" infobox in Language is quite informative, but completely hidden at the moment except for it's title. I suggest showing 2-5 rows, with a text "Other mother tongues [show]". What do you think? robertsilen ( talk) 08:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Per the cited source (which in turn cites the second cited source), the Swedes didn't succeed in burning the entire city down. I've updated the text to better reflect the source. In addition, the source further indicates that the Russians finished the job the Swedes started. I haven't added any additional text for that, although for the sake of neutrality it would be a good idea to do so. Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 10:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
When reading the article, I was surprised to find a description of the tap water in the "economy" section.
Should this be moved to another section? MashyTot ( talk) 16:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
see "Helsinki karttapalvelu" you will find e.g. Kalasatama map. Click the map and count how many high rises there are now and will be in 15 years Uslager ( talk) 14:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
up to date map (kartta in Finnish). You will find every single building in Kalasatama. If u can count to 44 you will find out. And now, the rest of you do not change anything, just leave to me. I know, u dont Uslager ( talk) 19:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
I think maybe someone should take a closer look at these latest edits by Uslager. Especially the section about Helsinki's architecture might need some kind of structuring and tidying up... Juustila ( talk) 18:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
You are welcome to carry on a conversation in Finnish on your own talk pages, but please use English here. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 17:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
This article's main focus is Helsinki and should not become an architecture article. Please limit coverage to finished projects (maybe just mention the three tallest buildings?) and don't go into so much detail. It might be better to start a new article ( Architecture of Helsinki?), per WP:SPINOFF, of this content. There more detail would be appropriate. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 17:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm done. I've written everything what I wanted to.
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The lead sentence as follows:
violates MOS:LEAD, and should be tidied up to enhance readability. In particular, it violates:
If anyone can point to anything in MOS:LEAD that supports a contrary view, please share here on the talk page. Thanks. CUA 27 ( talk) 20:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
The lead sentence is now revised as follows. It is now much more readable, and the pronunciation guides are still maintained:
Please discuss here any further suggestions. CUA 27 ( talk) 15:10, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Could somebody fix this nonsense? These are educational institutions preparing people for all manner of blue-collar jobs, and sometimes maybe low-level white-collar jobs. None of the indicators of the institution being a uni is there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.179.227 ( talk) 12:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
They were polytechnics - which can be seen in the UK before 1993 when they all became universities. Finland has undergone the same process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.7.24 ( talk) 17:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
The article says that "It is the world's northernmost metro area of over one million people", yet the article it links to says this is Saint Petersburg. Is there a source for the Helsinki statement? - quispiam talk [Anton Nordenfur] 23:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
213.250.71.250 ( talk) 08:33, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't like to remove large chunks of text without a note, so here it is: I intend to revert this large chunk of recently added text. It's either speculative original research ("The expensive public transport tickets aim to support and increase the private traffic"), a coatrack for unrelated issues ("China is an authoritarian one-party state"), or downright bizarre ("Public transport lines are occupied with skyscraper since most women dislike skyscrapers and more women use public transport than men"). Regards, Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 16:45, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Pihjalasaari is a very popular island with boaters and families. It has a popular guest harbor and a good sandy beach. On hot summer weekends there are big queues of families waiting for the ferries to/from the island. There is even a recreation centre for old age pensioners on the island.
This article misrepresents the island by emphasizing the nudist beach and gay men. This is a very small part of the island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldhigsonian ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. M2545 ( talk) 11:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Helsingfors is said to be pronounced [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔʂ], but I, who speak quite standard Finland Swedish, would never pronounce it like that, rather (though I'm not so good with IPA) [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔrs]. I think that hɛlsɪŋˈfɔʂ is how it's pronounced in Sweden. This has been discussed in archive 1 under the title 'Pronunciation' because of the same problem for 9 years ago. There is probably no file with the correct pronunciation, but I think the file with the wrong pronunciation should be removed and [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔʂ] should be replaced with [hɛlsɪŋˈfɔrs], or removed. It is better with no information than wrong information. K9re11 ( talk) 02:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
It would be preferable if the pronunciation audio of Helsingfors (the Swedish name) were in Finland Swedish, rather than Stockholm Swedish as it is at the moment. Could we have a native speaker of Finland Swedish pronounce it instead? @ K9re11: Could you upload a recording and replace it? -- Lundgren8 ( t · c) 23:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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This article seems to have (had) a size crisis. Many phrases, intentionally or otherwise, have emphasized the largeness of certain elements of the city, be it neighborhoods or population density. As Wikipedia’s goal is to provide for articles that are as neutral in tone as relevant, I’ve removed and replaced some of those in the hopes of bringing this to a Good Article status in the future. Cheers, Pessimistipasta ( talk) 00:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Pessimistipasta ( talk) 00:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
The article mentions the city's English-language abbreviation as "HEL". As I understand it, that's used more often to apply to Helsinki Airport. Any reputable sources backing this up would be much appreciated. - Pessimistipasta ( talk) 15:35, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
On what basis is this edit a "correction"? BBC English is to always stress first syllable. Please note that the current version is one of long-standing consensus and is supported by two WP:RS sources. Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:46, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Indeed hel-SINK-ee sounds alien to natives, easily interpretable as 'hel sinki': two separate words. Furthermore, the syllables should be divided as HEL-sing-kee in the pronunciation guide, not as HEL-sink-ee. A native would not pause after the k sound. But if this helps an English speaker not to produce too much fortis pronunciation, as is normal in the English words like 'key' (heard as khi/khii in Finnish), then the practice is understandable, and is to be allowed to remain as the version producing the desired result. -- TiM19fi ( talk) 15:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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The info BOX (which I cannot see how to edit) has different language totals from the article. Can someone that can edit fix this to the uptodate totals. In any case they are misleading as the Finnishg system only records one mother language per person and some people are bilingual (as you must pass a swedish test to graduate university it can be argued there are a lot more swedish speakers than suggested by this figure) or even trilingual and this is not recorded in the data collected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.7.24 ( talk) 17:14, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
There is the image of a high-rise apartment building (134 meters tall), with a link to the article on "skyscrapers", which starts by saying that a skyscraper is a building taller than 150 meters. This is an inconsistency. The easiest way to fix this is to not use the word "skyscraper" here. I am sure there is a lot of resistance to this from some quarters, but I think it should still be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.92.14.190 ( talk) 13:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
The "Population by mother tongue" infobox in Language is quite informative, but completely hidden at the moment except for it's title. I suggest showing 2-5 rows, with a text "Other mother tongues [show]". What do you think? robertsilen ( talk) 08:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Per the cited source (which in turn cites the second cited source), the Swedes didn't succeed in burning the entire city down. I've updated the text to better reflect the source. In addition, the source further indicates that the Russians finished the job the Swedes started. I haven't added any additional text for that, although for the sake of neutrality it would be a good idea to do so. Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 10:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
When reading the article, I was surprised to find a description of the tap water in the "economy" section.
Should this be moved to another section? MashyTot ( talk) 16:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
see "Helsinki karttapalvelu" you will find e.g. Kalasatama map. Click the map and count how many high rises there are now and will be in 15 years Uslager ( talk) 14:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
up to date map (kartta in Finnish). You will find every single building in Kalasatama. If u can count to 44 you will find out. And now, the rest of you do not change anything, just leave to me. I know, u dont Uslager ( talk) 19:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
I think maybe someone should take a closer look at these latest edits by Uslager. Especially the section about Helsinki's architecture might need some kind of structuring and tidying up... Juustila ( talk) 18:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
You are welcome to carry on a conversation in Finnish on your own talk pages, but please use English here. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 17:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
This article's main focus is Helsinki and should not become an architecture article. Please limit coverage to finished projects (maybe just mention the three tallest buildings?) and don't go into so much detail. It might be better to start a new article ( Architecture of Helsinki?), per WP:SPINOFF, of this content. There more detail would be appropriate. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 17:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm done. I've written everything what I wanted to.
Uslager (
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The lead sentence as follows:
violates MOS:LEAD, and should be tidied up to enhance readability. In particular, it violates:
If anyone can point to anything in MOS:LEAD that supports a contrary view, please share here on the talk page. Thanks. CUA 27 ( talk) 20:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
The lead sentence is now revised as follows. It is now much more readable, and the pronunciation guides are still maintained:
Please discuss here any further suggestions. CUA 27 ( talk) 15:10, 22 April 2024 (UTC)