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Ref the list of equipment in medium-lift and light-lift, medium has VHF-FM on 118-136MHz and light has VHF-AM on 118-136MHz - it is normal to work AM on these frequencies but I didnt want to change the entry in medium-lift before checking - comments? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Good catch - my error, I blame it on the scanner that I used! I fixed it! - Ahunt ( talk) 05:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Ahunt I made the changes I did because I work in fire, I have worked with the crew in that picture that i change the name on, they are Santa Barbara County Crew 1 if u look close they have C-1 on their helmets, and smoke jumpers jump from planes with parachutes, rappellers rappel from helicopters. Mrdude182 ( talk) 22:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I found this link searching for information on helibuckets. -- Born2flie ( talk) 16:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
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Is Helitack helicopter-based? -- Merle Lang ( talk) 00:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
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== B-Class == It is possible that more can be added to this article, but generally, it meets all of the B-Class criteria. Recommend a peer-review. -- Born2flie 06:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC) |
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(1) Helitack is most originally an American wildland firefighting technique, due to tremendous resources needed to manage the vast National Forest system, itself a predominately American conservation idea beginning with the unprecedented Land Revision Act of 1891 and shaped by Gifford Pinchot. This is unsurprising considering the unusual gargantuan scope of the country's expansive forestry needs. Indeed even the term helitack first appeared in the US in a 1956 Los Angeles Times article, which described the "first of a series of tests—tabbed the Helitack Program—on the use of helicopters in firefighting will start next week in the San Bernardino National Forest". The word itself is a portmanteau of "helicopter" and "attack". If you haven't read the Helitack Wikipedia article, it is entirely littered with—nearly nothing but—-descriptions of North American programs and terminology. (2) It is a misconception of world view mindfulness that descriptions must be so general that they could conform to every imaginable program, rendering unreasonably vague and useless information. Keep in mind this is the English language version, not the French, Russian, or Brazilian version. Readers and writers are self-selecting; language does contribute to global viewpoint. However, in time, someone from country XYZ will inevitably round out the topic; this is all part of that process. And yes, Canadians speak English, French, have large forests, and don't carry fire shelters; towards the North American Agreement additional descriptions of their programs are warranted. (3) In the United States the wildfire units conform to the NWCG standards (of which the International Association of Fire Chiefs is a member). Part of these standards are physical fitness, which is also described in the smokejumper and interagency hotshot pages—which are all part of the wildland firefighter series. When the US sends units internationally, it holds these standards. (4) As for the military analogy, not only is it not true, it would actually be silly to not portray some notion of physical fitness in the page about elite paramilitary commandos. Nor does the English version of Navy SEALS give any information about, say, Thai Navy SEALS which just did a famous cave rescue. And even if one small Philippine Navy SEAL unit employed preadolescent Boy Scouts, we need not change the entire language on the SEAL page to accommodate Child Soldiers. The information characterizing physical fitness is informative and certainly does not hurt. (5) Perhaps a lead-in "In the United States..." is all that is needed to accommodate world view without throwing away the proverbial baby with the bathwater. A lot of people look-up helitack because they are curious about career options; to those readers it was a disservice to remove information about the crews such as fitness requirements; helitack after all is an elite firefighting unit. Please be constructive rather than destructive—-the latter is considered trolling. The burden ought to have been reversed: If you think this should be removed then make a case for it on the talk page. Thank you for your consideration and opportunity for civil discussion. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.128.3 ( talk)
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Ref the list of equipment in medium-lift and light-lift, medium has VHF-FM on 118-136MHz and light has VHF-AM on 118-136MHz - it is normal to work AM on these frequencies but I didnt want to change the entry in medium-lift before checking - comments? MilborneOne ( talk) 20:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Good catch - my error, I blame it on the scanner that I used! I fixed it! - Ahunt ( talk) 05:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Ahunt I made the changes I did because I work in fire, I have worked with the crew in that picture that i change the name on, they are Santa Barbara County Crew 1 if u look close they have C-1 on their helmets, and smoke jumpers jump from planes with parachutes, rappellers rappel from helicopters. Mrdude182 ( talk) 22:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I found this link searching for information on helibuckets. -- Born2flie ( talk) 16:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Refueling panorama gnangarra.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on June 25, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-06-25. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 17:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Helitack helicopter-based? -- Merle Lang ( talk) 00:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:A fire helicopter with helicopter bucket.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on March 29, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-03-29. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng { chat} 17:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Helitack/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
== B-Class == It is possible that more can be added to this article, but generally, it meets all of the B-Class criteria. Recommend a peer-review. -- Born2flie 06:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC) |
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(1) Helitack is most originally an American wildland firefighting technique, due to tremendous resources needed to manage the vast National Forest system, itself a predominately American conservation idea beginning with the unprecedented Land Revision Act of 1891 and shaped by Gifford Pinchot. This is unsurprising considering the unusual gargantuan scope of the country's expansive forestry needs. Indeed even the term helitack first appeared in the US in a 1956 Los Angeles Times article, which described the "first of a series of tests—tabbed the Helitack Program—on the use of helicopters in firefighting will start next week in the San Bernardino National Forest". The word itself is a portmanteau of "helicopter" and "attack". If you haven't read the Helitack Wikipedia article, it is entirely littered with—nearly nothing but—-descriptions of North American programs and terminology. (2) It is a misconception of world view mindfulness that descriptions must be so general that they could conform to every imaginable program, rendering unreasonably vague and useless information. Keep in mind this is the English language version, not the French, Russian, or Brazilian version. Readers and writers are self-selecting; language does contribute to global viewpoint. However, in time, someone from country XYZ will inevitably round out the topic; this is all part of that process. And yes, Canadians speak English, French, have large forests, and don't carry fire shelters; towards the North American Agreement additional descriptions of their programs are warranted. (3) In the United States the wildfire units conform to the NWCG standards (of which the International Association of Fire Chiefs is a member). Part of these standards are physical fitness, which is also described in the smokejumper and interagency hotshot pages—which are all part of the wildland firefighter series. When the US sends units internationally, it holds these standards. (4) As for the military analogy, not only is it not true, it would actually be silly to not portray some notion of physical fitness in the page about elite paramilitary commandos. Nor does the English version of Navy SEALS give any information about, say, Thai Navy SEALS which just did a famous cave rescue. And even if one small Philippine Navy SEAL unit employed preadolescent Boy Scouts, we need not change the entire language on the SEAL page to accommodate Child Soldiers. The information characterizing physical fitness is informative and certainly does not hurt. (5) Perhaps a lead-in "In the United States..." is all that is needed to accommodate world view without throwing away the proverbial baby with the bathwater. A lot of people look-up helitack because they are curious about career options; to those readers it was a disservice to remove information about the crews such as fitness requirements; helitack after all is an elite firefighting unit. Please be constructive rather than destructive—-the latter is considered trolling. The burden ought to have been reversed: If you think this should be removed then make a case for it on the talk page. Thank you for your consideration and opportunity for civil discussion. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.189.128.3 ( talk)
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