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(SIGH) No-one wears a one-piece any-more... Atomic45 08:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC) well then why are both pictures gone now??? Dark reaper6789 16:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Snipped Wikipedia image rules as no longer relevant to the discussion Altherix 13:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Also, I realize the image is dark, it is during Helena's ending in DOA4, which takes place outside at night, it's suppose to be dark. If an issue, I'll pull out my capture of her DOA:Ultimate ending which is brighter, but if I remember is not a high-quality capture.
Altherix 17:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm seeing major errors if not made up stuff in Helena's DOA2 history entry.
In all my years of playing DOA games, reading manuals and interviews with Tomonobu Itagaki, head of Team Ninja, never once have I heard any connection between Gen Fu and DOATec let alone Fame Douglas.
Would like to know the source of this, in fact Wikipedia's own Gen Fu entry mentions nothing of his association with Fame Douglas. I will edit this later unless someone brings a reference to why it was put in there in the first place.
Also, it has never been explained how Helena got information on DOATec's inner workings, only that she became aware of such things on her quest to avenge her mother. The entry through her father's contacts is an assumption, not based on any source material, game endings, manuals or interviews to my knowledge.
Same applies to the rumor of Ayane being her mother's killer, it doesn't come from any game source I'm aware of, only when the two encounter in DOA2 she accuses Ayane of it. Considering DOATec messed with the Ninja Clan members, Kasumi, Hayate and Genra one could assume she figured they were after vengence on her for it.
Unfortunately, assumption IMO can't be used for such entries and should be changed to reflect this.
I'm currently pulling up old manuals and interviews to make sure I haven't missed anything in relation to these errors I'm seeing. It will be awhile.
Altherix 17:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Helena is the illegitimate daughter of Fame Douglas and his mistress Maria - a world class soprano opera singer. Seemingly distant from her father and his work, when he was murdered, she was hardly affected.
Helena followed in her mother's footsteps, becoming a famous opera singer in her own right. While performing, she was targeted by an unknown assassin using a sniper rifle. Maria, who was present with her, spotted the rifle at the last second and dove in front of her daughter. She was killed instantly. The assassin fled, leaving Helena alone and covered in her mother's blood.
Helena set out for vengeance. She soon discovered that the murder was connected with the second Dead or Alive World Tournament. Helena entered the tournament to discover the truth.
Although never explained in the series Helena appears to have learned or known information pertaining to DOATec. Most notably the ill-fated 'Epsilon project' when she encountered Ein, (The then suffering from amnesia Hayate ) and recognized him from the 'Epsilon project', commenting, "I heard Project Epsilon was a failure."
Ein, wanted to know what Helena knew of 'Project Epsilon', she only responded that he no longer appeared to be under mind control and the two fought.
During the tournament she also encounters Ayane; in the encounter she accuses Ayane of being her mother's murderer. Ayane neither confirms nor denies having killed Helena's mother, after which a fight breaks out between the two. This issue is never brought up again in the series to why she accused Ayane of the murder.
Altherix 16:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
After redoing and researching DOA2's history entry, I've come to realize it's too short compared with what happened in the game with Helena. About the same amount of things happened in DOA3 as happened in DOA2 with Helena's storyline. Entry should be just as descriptive as the DOA2 entry, not just a short summary from the game's manual, which is all it currently is.
Helena is captured by Donovan and imprisoned. He tells her that the only way to obtain her freedom is to win the third tournament. In the meantime, Donovan assigns Christie to keep an eye on Helena and, should the need arise, kill her if she discovers too much.
Reading that entry, it's nothing more then Helena's ending writeup, talks nothing of her asking Bayman to kill Donovan or the fact Kokoro is her half-sister. Also, Lisa, La Mariposa was the one who selected Ein for Project Epision, all in Helena's storyline of the game.
Major error, Helena didn't confront Christie, Christie confronted Helena when she was on her way to the DOATec's Tri-towers self-destruct. Helena, still didn't know Christie had killed her mother until Christie told her, "You still haven't figured it out
In Dead or Alive 4, Helena finally finds out that Christie killed her mother and confronts her. The end result to their fight is left unknown, other than that both survive. In her CG Ending, Helena decides to go down together with DOATEC and subsequently sets the Tritower complex on self-destruct. Plagued by flashbacks of her deceased mother she moves up to the helipad between the three towers that make up the complex. Meanwhile Ayane, Hayate, and Ryu Hayabusa are using ninpo powers to destroy the towers and the DOATEC security forces, while Kasumi battles her clone.
Helena is about to be consumed by the flames of the burning buildings as Zack saves her, flying in with a chopper.
Minor edit, probabily not needed but just put in to make the entry longer.
Helena was invited to Zack Island for the fourth Dead or Alive Tournament. However, the tournament is revealed to be a hoax and Helena learns that the other female DOA participants, are stuck on the tropical island for two weeks.
During the two weeks with the other DOA girls, Helena becomes nostalgia walking on the beaches of Zack Island. She reveals more of her rich upbringing by commenting "This room is so small." about her living quarters during her stay.
Who is the dark-haired woman that gets shot in the head during Helena's end CG in DoA4? I've been wondering about this for quite a while, and the wiki file doesn't even mention it. Was it perhaps Kokoro's mother? - Arnizipal 22:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Her name is Anne and she was one of Fame Douglas' mistesses, but she conspired with Donovan to kill Douglas...problem solved...
Is her surname Douglas? I'm sure it is. - The 4th Snake 21:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the article should be called "Helena Douglas". That redirects to "Helena (DOA)" but I say it should be the other way around. - The 4th Snake 20:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I see. - The 4th Snake 18:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
And when you highlight her ending in DOA 4, her name is listed as "Helena Douglas." The 4th Snake 19:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it a bit early to start adding info about Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volley 2? There's hardly any info on the background of the game yet. - Arnizipal 20:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
can we add a quality screeshot?
there's 2 image now. One on a face close up, another on the side. Both are kinda off. There's no single image showing her full body, or how she'd normally appear in the game. Xah Lee 05:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I would like an explination to why there seems to be a fight over her fighting style? This isn't something up for debate here, the creators of the character say it's Pi Qua Quan not Baguazhang. Look it up at DOA4 Official Siteor read a game manual. It's Pi Qua Quan, this is not up for discussion unless the creators change it. Altherix 23:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Quick look up on the web has found info on Pi Qua Quan:
Pi Qua Quan is a style of Northern Shaolin Kungfu. "Pi" means "chop", which is a kungfu technique of striking the arm from top downward and inward,"Qua" means "hang", which is s reverse of "chop", i.e. striking downward but outward, and "Quan" means "kungfu". Pi Qua Quan, therefore, is a comparatively hard style of kungfu using the arms to strike an opponent, and employing long stances.
However,during the Qing Dynasty, Pi Qua Quan which is a hard and long style, was combined with Monkey Style Kungfu, which is just the opposite, i.e. a soft and short style. This combination is known as Da Sing Pi Qua Men. "Da Sing" which means "Great Sage" refers to the Monkey God, and "Men" which literally means "Gate", figuratively refers to a style of kungfu. This kungfu style is very different from Taijiquan. Sifu Chan Sau Choong of Hong Kong is the patriarch of Da Sing Pi Qua Men.
More info:
In this fighting system the combination of high distance to short distance is very important! A good “Pi Qua Quanist” never lets his opponent to come near him/her.
In some cases Pi Qua Quan can be compared with a windmill, because of its flowing movements.
Very interesting seems that it gained its name from the movements of the hands during the offense. Pi Qua Quan can be very good and effective used with a whip.
An entry is going to have to me made to link to in Wikipedia, Pi Qua Quan is practiced today but finding info about it is hard. Altherix 17:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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This may be small but I noticed that someone mentioned that Helena (Dead Or Alive) in the movie was the only character to use the same style of fighting in the game. This is actually incorrect. After watching the movie it is very clear that Helena's style in the movie is actually She Quan (Focusing on the fingers) rather than Pi Qua Quan (Focusing on the palms of the hand) leading the statement to be wrong. I just thought I'd post this to see if anyone else noticed the error before changing it. Dapp05 July 28, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dapp05 ( talk • contribs) 22:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I believe you are mistaken. From the film, it is easy to recognise that Sarah Carter's technique reflects the sweeping arms, the chopping hands and the spinning, windmill-like movements of Pi Qua Quan. Pi Qua Quan does not focus "on the palms of the hand" - it focuses on chopping with the hands and rotating the arms. These kung fu styles are all closely related and therefore bear similarities to each other, but look at example of Pi Qua Quan performed in other kung fu movies and you'll see they match Sarah Carter's performance exactly. 194.72.9.25 ( talk) 03:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
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(SIGH) No-one wears a one-piece any-more... Atomic45 08:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC) well then why are both pictures gone now??? Dark reaper6789 16:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Snipped Wikipedia image rules as no longer relevant to the discussion Altherix 13:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Also, I realize the image is dark, it is during Helena's ending in DOA4, which takes place outside at night, it's suppose to be dark. If an issue, I'll pull out my capture of her DOA:Ultimate ending which is brighter, but if I remember is not a high-quality capture.
Altherix 17:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm seeing major errors if not made up stuff in Helena's DOA2 history entry.
In all my years of playing DOA games, reading manuals and interviews with Tomonobu Itagaki, head of Team Ninja, never once have I heard any connection between Gen Fu and DOATec let alone Fame Douglas.
Would like to know the source of this, in fact Wikipedia's own Gen Fu entry mentions nothing of his association with Fame Douglas. I will edit this later unless someone brings a reference to why it was put in there in the first place.
Also, it has never been explained how Helena got information on DOATec's inner workings, only that she became aware of such things on her quest to avenge her mother. The entry through her father's contacts is an assumption, not based on any source material, game endings, manuals or interviews to my knowledge.
Same applies to the rumor of Ayane being her mother's killer, it doesn't come from any game source I'm aware of, only when the two encounter in DOA2 she accuses Ayane of it. Considering DOATec messed with the Ninja Clan members, Kasumi, Hayate and Genra one could assume she figured they were after vengence on her for it.
Unfortunately, assumption IMO can't be used for such entries and should be changed to reflect this.
I'm currently pulling up old manuals and interviews to make sure I haven't missed anything in relation to these errors I'm seeing. It will be awhile.
Altherix 17:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Helena is the illegitimate daughter of Fame Douglas and his mistress Maria - a world class soprano opera singer. Seemingly distant from her father and his work, when he was murdered, she was hardly affected.
Helena followed in her mother's footsteps, becoming a famous opera singer in her own right. While performing, she was targeted by an unknown assassin using a sniper rifle. Maria, who was present with her, spotted the rifle at the last second and dove in front of her daughter. She was killed instantly. The assassin fled, leaving Helena alone and covered in her mother's blood.
Helena set out for vengeance. She soon discovered that the murder was connected with the second Dead or Alive World Tournament. Helena entered the tournament to discover the truth.
Although never explained in the series Helena appears to have learned or known information pertaining to DOATec. Most notably the ill-fated 'Epsilon project' when she encountered Ein, (The then suffering from amnesia Hayate ) and recognized him from the 'Epsilon project', commenting, "I heard Project Epsilon was a failure."
Ein, wanted to know what Helena knew of 'Project Epsilon', she only responded that he no longer appeared to be under mind control and the two fought.
During the tournament she also encounters Ayane; in the encounter she accuses Ayane of being her mother's murderer. Ayane neither confirms nor denies having killed Helena's mother, after which a fight breaks out between the two. This issue is never brought up again in the series to why she accused Ayane of the murder.
Altherix 16:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
After redoing and researching DOA2's history entry, I've come to realize it's too short compared with what happened in the game with Helena. About the same amount of things happened in DOA3 as happened in DOA2 with Helena's storyline. Entry should be just as descriptive as the DOA2 entry, not just a short summary from the game's manual, which is all it currently is.
Helena is captured by Donovan and imprisoned. He tells her that the only way to obtain her freedom is to win the third tournament. In the meantime, Donovan assigns Christie to keep an eye on Helena and, should the need arise, kill her if she discovers too much.
Reading that entry, it's nothing more then Helena's ending writeup, talks nothing of her asking Bayman to kill Donovan or the fact Kokoro is her half-sister. Also, Lisa, La Mariposa was the one who selected Ein for Project Epision, all in Helena's storyline of the game.
Major error, Helena didn't confront Christie, Christie confronted Helena when she was on her way to the DOATec's Tri-towers self-destruct. Helena, still didn't know Christie had killed her mother until Christie told her, "You still haven't figured it out
In Dead or Alive 4, Helena finally finds out that Christie killed her mother and confronts her. The end result to their fight is left unknown, other than that both survive. In her CG Ending, Helena decides to go down together with DOATEC and subsequently sets the Tritower complex on self-destruct. Plagued by flashbacks of her deceased mother she moves up to the helipad between the three towers that make up the complex. Meanwhile Ayane, Hayate, and Ryu Hayabusa are using ninpo powers to destroy the towers and the DOATEC security forces, while Kasumi battles her clone.
Helena is about to be consumed by the flames of the burning buildings as Zack saves her, flying in with a chopper.
Minor edit, probabily not needed but just put in to make the entry longer.
Helena was invited to Zack Island for the fourth Dead or Alive Tournament. However, the tournament is revealed to be a hoax and Helena learns that the other female DOA participants, are stuck on the tropical island for two weeks.
During the two weeks with the other DOA girls, Helena becomes nostalgia walking on the beaches of Zack Island. She reveals more of her rich upbringing by commenting "This room is so small." about her living quarters during her stay.
Who is the dark-haired woman that gets shot in the head during Helena's end CG in DoA4? I've been wondering about this for quite a while, and the wiki file doesn't even mention it. Was it perhaps Kokoro's mother? - Arnizipal 22:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Her name is Anne and she was one of Fame Douglas' mistesses, but she conspired with Donovan to kill Douglas...problem solved...
Is her surname Douglas? I'm sure it is. - The 4th Snake 21:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I think the article should be called "Helena Douglas". That redirects to "Helena (DOA)" but I say it should be the other way around. - The 4th Snake 20:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I see. - The 4th Snake 18:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
And when you highlight her ending in DOA 4, her name is listed as "Helena Douglas." The 4th Snake 19:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Isn't it a bit early to start adding info about Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volley 2? There's hardly any info on the background of the game yet. - Arnizipal 20:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
can we add a quality screeshot?
there's 2 image now. One on a face close up, another on the side. Both are kinda off. There's no single image showing her full body, or how she'd normally appear in the game. Xah Lee 05:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I would like an explination to why there seems to be a fight over her fighting style? This isn't something up for debate here, the creators of the character say it's Pi Qua Quan not Baguazhang. Look it up at DOA4 Official Siteor read a game manual. It's Pi Qua Quan, this is not up for discussion unless the creators change it. Altherix 23:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Quick look up on the web has found info on Pi Qua Quan:
Pi Qua Quan is a style of Northern Shaolin Kungfu. "Pi" means "chop", which is a kungfu technique of striking the arm from top downward and inward,"Qua" means "hang", which is s reverse of "chop", i.e. striking downward but outward, and "Quan" means "kungfu". Pi Qua Quan, therefore, is a comparatively hard style of kungfu using the arms to strike an opponent, and employing long stances.
However,during the Qing Dynasty, Pi Qua Quan which is a hard and long style, was combined with Monkey Style Kungfu, which is just the opposite, i.e. a soft and short style. This combination is known as Da Sing Pi Qua Men. "Da Sing" which means "Great Sage" refers to the Monkey God, and "Men" which literally means "Gate", figuratively refers to a style of kungfu. This kungfu style is very different from Taijiquan. Sifu Chan Sau Choong of Hong Kong is the patriarch of Da Sing Pi Qua Men.
More info:
In this fighting system the combination of high distance to short distance is very important! A good “Pi Qua Quanist” never lets his opponent to come near him/her.
In some cases Pi Qua Quan can be compared with a windmill, because of its flowing movements.
Very interesting seems that it gained its name from the movements of the hands during the offense. Pi Qua Quan can be very good and effective used with a whip.
An entry is going to have to me made to link to in Wikipedia, Pi Qua Quan is practiced today but finding info about it is hard. Altherix 17:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 14:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
This may be small but I noticed that someone mentioned that Helena (Dead Or Alive) in the movie was the only character to use the same style of fighting in the game. This is actually incorrect. After watching the movie it is very clear that Helena's style in the movie is actually She Quan (Focusing on the fingers) rather than Pi Qua Quan (Focusing on the palms of the hand) leading the statement to be wrong. I just thought I'd post this to see if anyone else noticed the error before changing it. Dapp05 July 28, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dapp05 ( talk • contribs) 22:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I believe you are mistaken. From the film, it is easy to recognise that Sarah Carter's technique reflects the sweeping arms, the chopping hands and the spinning, windmill-like movements of Pi Qua Quan. Pi Qua Quan does not focus "on the palms of the hand" - it focuses on chopping with the hands and rotating the arms. These kung fu styles are all closely related and therefore bear similarities to each other, but look at example of Pi Qua Quan performed in other kung fu movies and you'll see they match Sarah Carter's performance exactly. 194.72.9.25 ( talk) 03:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)