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this edit, I reverted an editor who changed "UK citizens" to "British citizens" with the edit summary of "UK citizens" is incorrect
. My reverting edit summary was Reverting
good faith edits; in 1979 it was correct: "
The British Nationality Act 1948 was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that created the status of "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC) as the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and its colonies.
There has been a lengthy discussion on my talk page about this. Twice, I asked the editor to open a discussion here, but the editor ignored those requests & sought to continue to engage me on my talk page. I am therefore opening the discussion here.
I wrote this:
In the entire time that Helen Smith (nurse) lived (3 January 1956 – 20 May 1979), the British Nationality Act 1948 applied to her. The British Nationality Act 1948 was in force until the British Nationality Act 1981 took effect, two years after Smith's death. According to the British Nationality Act 1948 article, that act
created the status of "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC) as the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and its colonies.
I noted that this language is in the lead of that article. I equate UK citizenship with "Citizenship of the United Kingdom".
The other editor sought to sway me by force of argument, stating "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" is not the same as "UK citizen". It is equivalent to "British subject" or "British citizenship".
This editor has offered no other article links or citations to prove this. I think that unless this editor can offer specific links or citations to prove the point, than the editor is engaged in
original research.
I am hoping to hear from those who are familiar with British subjects, Commonwealth citizenship, the British nationality law (to which both UK citizenship & British citizenship redirect), & the British Nationality Act 1948. I am hoping that the our collective intelligence will resolve this. Peaceray ( talk) 20:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The British Nationality Act of 1948 conferred the status of British citizen on all Commonwealth subjects and recognised their right to work and settle in the UK and to bring their families with them.(emphasis added) and further that
The British Nationality Act of 1981 abolished the 1948 definition of British citizenship and replaced it with three categories: British citizenship, citizenship of British dependent territories, and British overseas citizenship. Of these, only British citizenship provides the right to live in the UK.. So as can be expected, British people are called British citizens when they have British citizenship (or nationality, or subject status, as the case may be). In any and all cases, the subject of this article is undoubtedly a British citizen and so are the other Britons referred to. NB WP:CIRCULAR; Wikipedia should not be used to make points about the content of Wikipedia. No evidence has been provided to show that "UK citizen" has any kind of validity, let alone priority over the basic English language term for such people. GPinkerton ( talk) 22:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
It may shed light that this user appears to be waging a Wikipedia-wide campaign against the phrase "UK citizens", apparently on the basis that it sounds weird and unnatural and because it's not really correct. I would contest that its widespread currency, including by governement and reliable publications would counter this assertion. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 23:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom § Indiscriminate changes of "UK citizen" to "British citizen".
Peaceray (
talk)
05:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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With
this edit, I reverted an editor who changed "UK citizens" to "British citizens" with the edit summary of "UK citizens" is incorrect
. My reverting edit summary was Reverting
good faith edits; in 1979 it was correct: "
The British Nationality Act 1948 was an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that created the status of "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC) as the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and its colonies.
There has been a lengthy discussion on my talk page about this. Twice, I asked the editor to open a discussion here, but the editor ignored those requests & sought to continue to engage me on my talk page. I am therefore opening the discussion here.
I wrote this:
In the entire time that Helen Smith (nurse) lived (3 January 1956 – 20 May 1979), the British Nationality Act 1948 applied to her. The British Nationality Act 1948 was in force until the British Nationality Act 1981 took effect, two years after Smith's death. According to the British Nationality Act 1948 article, that act
created the status of "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC) as the national citizenship of the United Kingdom and its colonies.
I noted that this language is in the lead of that article. I equate UK citizenship with "Citizenship of the United Kingdom".
The other editor sought to sway me by force of argument, stating "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" is not the same as "UK citizen". It is equivalent to "British subject" or "British citizenship".
This editor has offered no other article links or citations to prove this. I think that unless this editor can offer specific links or citations to prove the point, than the editor is engaged in
original research.
I am hoping to hear from those who are familiar with British subjects, Commonwealth citizenship, the British nationality law (to which both UK citizenship & British citizenship redirect), & the British Nationality Act 1948. I am hoping that the our collective intelligence will resolve this. Peaceray ( talk) 20:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The British Nationality Act of 1948 conferred the status of British citizen on all Commonwealth subjects and recognised their right to work and settle in the UK and to bring their families with them.(emphasis added) and further that
The British Nationality Act of 1981 abolished the 1948 definition of British citizenship and replaced it with three categories: British citizenship, citizenship of British dependent territories, and British overseas citizenship. Of these, only British citizenship provides the right to live in the UK.. So as can be expected, British people are called British citizens when they have British citizenship (or nationality, or subject status, as the case may be). In any and all cases, the subject of this article is undoubtedly a British citizen and so are the other Britons referred to. NB WP:CIRCULAR; Wikipedia should not be used to make points about the content of Wikipedia. No evidence has been provided to show that "UK citizen" has any kind of validity, let alone priority over the basic English language term for such people. GPinkerton ( talk) 22:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
It may shed light that this user appears to be waging a Wikipedia-wide campaign against the phrase "UK citizens", apparently on the basis that it sounds weird and unnatural and because it's not really correct. I would contest that its widespread currency, including by governement and reliable publications would counter this assertion. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 23:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United Kingdom § Indiscriminate changes of "UK citizen" to "British citizen".
Peaceray (
talk)
05:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)