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HBD? Hemoglobin subunit delta? Why pseudoscientist? Sources? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 14:49, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Looking at the German Wikipedia article, it appears that Rindermann has made some statements about group differences in intelligence but it is not clear to me that they are career-defining to the point where the category should to be attached to his bio. Nangaf ( talk) 05:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
I do have a problem with the Wikipedia article appearing to present historical ties between intelligence research and eugenics as factual evidence of racism.That's not what the article says, so it's not clear what your problem is. We are not calling Rindermann a racist in Wikivoice (or in attributed commentary either). Generalrelative ( talk) 00:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I am concerned that the article's commentary on Rindermann's contributions MQ and Intelligence is contrary to guidelines on WP:UNDUE, WP:SYNTH, and WP:NPOV, and that the text of the article endorses allegations of racism, which contravenes WP:BLP. I have put the tags back up. Please leave the tags until this discussion can be resolved, either here or on the BLP noticeboard. Please don't take this as intransigence on my part, I am genuinely open to discussion and optimistic that we will soon reach consensus! Nangaf ( talk) 23:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
The Mythical Taboo on Race and Intelligence is just one of several sources which explain Rindermann's connection to racialist pseudoscience. Right now the article gives readers the very-much false impression that Rindermann is a reputable mainstream academic. Per that and other sources, he is a WP:FRINGE figure with a lengthy history of contributing to the pseudoscientific "human biodiversity movement". Specifically, (again per that source) Rindermann's work within that movement has included dubious studies which exist solely to imply that this group's pseudoscientific position actually has mainstream support (despite his own findings). Mankind is not an outlier, either, as he has also published in Arktos Media, OpenPsych and so on. To leave the article without any indication of this at all is at best unacceptably incomplete and at worst whitewashing in defense of a fringe position. Grayfell ( talk) 01:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Cannot find a source aside from this from a LGBT site:
At the PFC conference in September, Thiel will give a speech titled “In Praise of Free Market Monopoly.” Other speakers include a German author, Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, who will hold forth on “the many fathers of World War II.” Schultze-Rhonhof is a leading proponent of the theory, popular with Holocaust denialists and neo-Nazis, that the Allies, not Hitler, provoked WWII. Also onstage will be Heiner Rindermann, who is deeply concerned that brown immigrants with low IQs will bring about the downfall of European society.
But I think it is relevant to the article to mention he attended a Property and Freedom Society conference in 2016 and did a controversial speech on immigration. The society itself mentions the speech here with a video so it did happen.
@ Grayfell: also note that I added a section to article covering the paper you linked above. 51.6.193.169 ( talk) 20:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
IP 51's recent addition needs some workshopping. I'm sorry not to be able to immediately spend time on improving it, but as it was it had enough problems that it couldn't stay in this BLP pending those improvements. A quick list:
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 02:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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HBD? Hemoglobin subunit delta? Why pseudoscientist? Sources? -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 14:49, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Looking at the German Wikipedia article, it appears that Rindermann has made some statements about group differences in intelligence but it is not clear to me that they are career-defining to the point where the category should to be attached to his bio. Nangaf ( talk) 05:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
I do have a problem with the Wikipedia article appearing to present historical ties between intelligence research and eugenics as factual evidence of racism.That's not what the article says, so it's not clear what your problem is. We are not calling Rindermann a racist in Wikivoice (or in attributed commentary either). Generalrelative ( talk) 00:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I am concerned that the article's commentary on Rindermann's contributions MQ and Intelligence is contrary to guidelines on WP:UNDUE, WP:SYNTH, and WP:NPOV, and that the text of the article endorses allegations of racism, which contravenes WP:BLP. I have put the tags back up. Please leave the tags until this discussion can be resolved, either here or on the BLP noticeboard. Please don't take this as intransigence on my part, I am genuinely open to discussion and optimistic that we will soon reach consensus! Nangaf ( talk) 23:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
The Mythical Taboo on Race and Intelligence is just one of several sources which explain Rindermann's connection to racialist pseudoscience. Right now the article gives readers the very-much false impression that Rindermann is a reputable mainstream academic. Per that and other sources, he is a WP:FRINGE figure with a lengthy history of contributing to the pseudoscientific "human biodiversity movement". Specifically, (again per that source) Rindermann's work within that movement has included dubious studies which exist solely to imply that this group's pseudoscientific position actually has mainstream support (despite his own findings). Mankind is not an outlier, either, as he has also published in Arktos Media, OpenPsych and so on. To leave the article without any indication of this at all is at best unacceptably incomplete and at worst whitewashing in defense of a fringe position. Grayfell ( talk) 01:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Cannot find a source aside from this from a LGBT site:
At the PFC conference in September, Thiel will give a speech titled “In Praise of Free Market Monopoly.” Other speakers include a German author, Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof, who will hold forth on “the many fathers of World War II.” Schultze-Rhonhof is a leading proponent of the theory, popular with Holocaust denialists and neo-Nazis, that the Allies, not Hitler, provoked WWII. Also onstage will be Heiner Rindermann, who is deeply concerned that brown immigrants with low IQs will bring about the downfall of European society.
But I think it is relevant to the article to mention he attended a Property and Freedom Society conference in 2016 and did a controversial speech on immigration. The society itself mentions the speech here with a video so it did happen.
@ Grayfell: also note that I added a section to article covering the paper you linked above. 51.6.193.169 ( talk) 20:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
IP 51's recent addition needs some workshopping. I'm sorry not to be able to immediately spend time on improving it, but as it was it had enough problems that it couldn't stay in this BLP pending those improvements. A quick list:
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 02:16, 5 July 2024 (UTC)