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For the record: The "Background" and "Changing scholarly views" sections and the Tissø part of "Archeological evidence" are mostly based on the Danish article Hov (helligsted). The Gamla Uppsala part of "Hofs in the written record" is partly and the Uppåkra part of "Archeological evidence" is mostly based on the Swedish article Vikingatida tempelbyggnader. Yngvadottir ( talk) 18:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
This is admittedly a minor detail, but I'm not aware of "vin" ever being used to describe a sacred place. Norsk stadnamnleksikon ("Norwegian Encyclopedia of Place Names") only mentions the meaning "meadow or pasture". Any sources or examples of it being used to mean sacred place? Maitreya ( talk) 14:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello. Is it possible it was a misspelling and meant to say vi? In a Danish context 'vi' means a place of worship or a sacred place. It is seen in many place-names even today. I have sources if its needed. RhinoMind ( talk) 01:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
This article covers Norse, Anglo-Saxon, ancient, and modern heathenry. I have therefore reverted the move and an earlier removal of categories that left out the Anglo-Saxon, and also reverted the removal of references to modern hofs. I also suggest looking through the sections of the article that discuss the changing scholarly opinions on the farmhouse hof theory before changing the lead; there appear to have been two different styles of ancient hof, and there is now ample scholarly support for the notion of purpose-built hofs, based on recent archeology but also on Yeavering - so it really doesn't work well to restrict discussion to Norse. -- Yngvadottir ( talk) 12:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Then why is it called "heathen hofs"? Hof only means temple in (West) Old Norse after the end of the Viking Age. Nobody would call an Anglo-Saxon temple a hof. Why is there a section called "changing scholarly opinions"? Is that opposed to some unwritten section on "unchanging scholarly opinions"? WP:NAME would suggest a title like "temples in Germanic paganism", not some cryptic piece of US Astatru slang, as this article is clearly not about Asatru (except for a brief and entirely misplaced section at the end). If you are going to write an article about "heathen hofs", or temples in Germanic neopaganism, at least have the basic circumspection to look at your own sources and don't cite Ásatrúarfélagið as trying to build a "hof" when the source clearly states they want to build a "temple". If, however, you find a source that says, for example,
You will find it uses the term hof because it is using the Icelandic language throughout. And hof happens to be the word for "shrine" or "temple" in Icelandic, and the Icelandinc newspaper would use hof even if it was about a Hindu shrine.
I guess I am saying, if you are going to prevent people from trying to salvage this article, you should at least try and fix it yourself. -- dab (𒁳) 11:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering where the English hof, hofs had suddenly come from in neopagan jargon. I suppose it turns out this is connected with the coverage of the Icelandic Asatru temple in the media beginning c. 2006: the Icelandic word for "temple" happens to be hof to begin with, of course derived from the Old Norse word (while Swedish, Danish and Norwegian have adopted tempel). The modern Icelandic word has undergone semantic narrowing. The Old Norse word means "hall" (i.e., the Germanic longhouse). An encyclopedic article about Norse (or Germanic) cult sites will include such halls, but will also extend to other sites. The best existing coverage on the Germanic longhouse I could find so far is here.
It is correct to use hof for pagan temples in medieval Iceland, and it is easy to find literature that does so. The extension of hof to "Germanic temples" in general seems to have happened on-wiki, and the plural hofs is clearly a neopagan innovation, presumably originating in the 2000s (I find it in print in 2013). -- dab (𒁳) 09:26, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Could you please find more info bout the Ranheim site? Because numerous Nazi propaganda sources claim it was demolished by the current regime in Norway. Was it? Was it not? Was the whole story a hoax?-- Adûnâi ( talk) 08:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
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For the record: The "Background" and "Changing scholarly views" sections and the Tissø part of "Archeological evidence" are mostly based on the Danish article Hov (helligsted). The Gamla Uppsala part of "Hofs in the written record" is partly and the Uppåkra part of "Archeological evidence" is mostly based on the Swedish article Vikingatida tempelbyggnader. Yngvadottir ( talk) 18:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
This is admittedly a minor detail, but I'm not aware of "vin" ever being used to describe a sacred place. Norsk stadnamnleksikon ("Norwegian Encyclopedia of Place Names") only mentions the meaning "meadow or pasture". Any sources or examples of it being used to mean sacred place? Maitreya ( talk) 14:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello. Is it possible it was a misspelling and meant to say vi? In a Danish context 'vi' means a place of worship or a sacred place. It is seen in many place-names even today. I have sources if its needed. RhinoMind ( talk) 01:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
This article covers Norse, Anglo-Saxon, ancient, and modern heathenry. I have therefore reverted the move and an earlier removal of categories that left out the Anglo-Saxon, and also reverted the removal of references to modern hofs. I also suggest looking through the sections of the article that discuss the changing scholarly opinions on the farmhouse hof theory before changing the lead; there appear to have been two different styles of ancient hof, and there is now ample scholarly support for the notion of purpose-built hofs, based on recent archeology but also on Yeavering - so it really doesn't work well to restrict discussion to Norse. -- Yngvadottir ( talk) 12:17, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Then why is it called "heathen hofs"? Hof only means temple in (West) Old Norse after the end of the Viking Age. Nobody would call an Anglo-Saxon temple a hof. Why is there a section called "changing scholarly opinions"? Is that opposed to some unwritten section on "unchanging scholarly opinions"? WP:NAME would suggest a title like "temples in Germanic paganism", not some cryptic piece of US Astatru slang, as this article is clearly not about Asatru (except for a brief and entirely misplaced section at the end). If you are going to write an article about "heathen hofs", or temples in Germanic neopaganism, at least have the basic circumspection to look at your own sources and don't cite Ásatrúarfélagið as trying to build a "hof" when the source clearly states they want to build a "temple". If, however, you find a source that says, for example,
You will find it uses the term hof because it is using the Icelandic language throughout. And hof happens to be the word for "shrine" or "temple" in Icelandic, and the Icelandinc newspaper would use hof even if it was about a Hindu shrine.
I guess I am saying, if you are going to prevent people from trying to salvage this article, you should at least try and fix it yourself. -- dab (𒁳) 11:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering where the English hof, hofs had suddenly come from in neopagan jargon. I suppose it turns out this is connected with the coverage of the Icelandic Asatru temple in the media beginning c. 2006: the Icelandic word for "temple" happens to be hof to begin with, of course derived from the Old Norse word (while Swedish, Danish and Norwegian have adopted tempel). The modern Icelandic word has undergone semantic narrowing. The Old Norse word means "hall" (i.e., the Germanic longhouse). An encyclopedic article about Norse (or Germanic) cult sites will include such halls, but will also extend to other sites. The best existing coverage on the Germanic longhouse I could find so far is here.
It is correct to use hof for pagan temples in medieval Iceland, and it is easy to find literature that does so. The extension of hof to "Germanic temples" in general seems to have happened on-wiki, and the plural hofs is clearly a neopagan innovation, presumably originating in the 2000s (I find it in print in 2013). -- dab (𒁳) 09:26, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Could you please find more info bout the Ranheim site? Because numerous Nazi propaganda sources claim it was demolished by the current regime in Norway. Was it? Was it not? Was the whole story a hoax?-- Adûnâi ( talk) 08:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
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