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Common mistake in the synopsis: the girl that Waingro maybe kills (nothing is seen on screen, it's pretty sure he hurts her but we don't know if he kills her) is NOT the same girl whose murder Hanna investigates after. Hairstyle, hair color and skin color are completly different: the prostitue has straight and somewhat bleached hair whereas the murder victim has black cornrows or braids and has a darker complexion. It could be an earlier victim of Waingro or something completely unrelated. Watch it again if you don't believe! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:475:BE90:71BF:8599:3DB9:A5CF ( talk) 18:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if any HEAT fans have been puzzled by the fate of Van Zandt's Bearer Bonds. On the IMDB discussion boards there was a "heated" disagreement on whether or not Van Zandt received his Bonds 1st before sending his men to the drive-in to hand Neil his 60% payoff on the bonds. Some believe this to be true...others argue that the Bonds never reached the hands of Van Zandt's people and that he was only interested in killing Neil to send a message about stealing from him. Has anyone else been confused by this?
Please give credit where its due by adding Danny Trejo's character
I agree with the above that the plot description leaving out Danny Trejo and listing every other major actor is a problem. I'm not sure the best way to solve it, however; since Trejo's character's name is also Trejo, crediting the character as "Trejo (Trejo)" seems needlessly confusing, but crediting with the full name "Trejo (Danny Trejo)" deviates from the last-name only format of the rest of the section. In fact, since the page already has an extensive cast section, I'm not even sure listing the actor names in the synopsis is appropriate see: Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary. Anyone have a good idea how to address this? Barring some other idea, I will delete all the actor names from the synopsis and let the cast section speak for itself. Mr Subtlety ( talk) 18:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
On the main page there are two quotes by McCauley, but I have no recollection of those quotes being used in the movie.
It has been a theory of mine that Pacino and Deniro are brothers in the movie. At one point Pacino mentions that he has a brother out there somewhere. Why was that line placed in the movie. When they finally meet at the diner, you can almost sense a unique tension. I feel like there is so much more to their story, and Mann is just giving us a glimpse of it. Does anyone have anything to back this theory up?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.164.99 ( talk) 16:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I've just given Heat's precursor, L.A. Takedown its own entry as I felt it needed one. If anybody else has more information on it please feel free to add more to it. -- J.D. 12:11, 30 April 2006
Unaccountably, the article includes no mention of LA Takedown, an oversight mow remedied by me in the Background section. I could not, however, get the link to the above page to come out right, so if anyone would like to assist in this, by all means have a go at it! Orthotox ( talk) 08:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Just wondering if someone can identify what shotguns is used by Mykelti Williamson's character in the shootout scene and what by Wes Studi's character in the hotel door breaching scene?
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It's a Mossberg 500 - I've added The guns of Heat [1] to the External Links section. Here's the bit about the Mossberg. [2] Crserrano 01:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys i wanted to add some screenies I took myself to this article just to expand it a little and give it some appeal and hopefully interest in the movie...;).
Tell me what you think. Btw, if they are not displaying correctly or I have done something wrong, do notify me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Booboo12 ( talk • contribs)
I like the screenshots, especially the one of pacino going nuts ("She's got a great ass"!), but I think there are way too many screenshots, and the captions are mini paragraphs. This is my favorite movie, but I think they make it look way too cluttered. CynicalMe 19:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, I fixed the copyright tag on your screenshots. You put many of them under "I created this.." license, but in fact you don't own the copyright, they belong under the "movie screenshot" fair use tag. CynicalMe 19:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The authorities that investigated what's known as the North Hollywood shootout believe that the two suspects used the shootout scene in Heat as training and inspiration. Does anyone think its inappropriate to mention that fact in this article?
My recollection from the 1995 theatrical release is that they do, briefly. And the IMDb trivia says:
<< Many viewers claim that Robert De Niro and Al Pacino never (or hardly ever) actually share screen time during the film, despite the hype surrounding the films release as showcasing their first screen appearance. In most Pan and Scan versions of the film, and TV broadcasts, it does appear that during the "diner scene" the two never actually share the screen, but viewing the film in correct letterbox format, as the director intended, clearly shows the two actors sitting at the table, though only in wide shots. >>
Good enough for me. Ribonucleic 13:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Surely it's more accurate to describe De Niro's character as a Robber than a Thief? -- Charlesknight 22:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we need the weapons list? Who cares about that besides gun spotters? What is it's purpose in a general readers Encylopedia? -- Charlesknight 23:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
indeed we do need it , you shouldn't have removed someones hard work in documentation without first discussing it , the reason why we need it is incase you haven't noticed , majority of michael mann's films are extremely realistic when it comes to firearms and firefights. proof can be seen in that film's like collateral , HEAT and miami vice all had the actors go under extensive training in weapon handling techniques and battle-field/urban combat tactics. nto only this , but also i believe michael mann specifically does this to make sure audiences not only understands how fear inducing and deadly firearms and firefights can be , but also that if characters did what they typically do in most action films , they would be dead , extremely quickly. it can be seen on the HEAT dvd's special features in a interview with the audio members that michael mann was determined to have the "right" sound for firearms in the film. also another reason why they use full load blanks. does anyone have a copy of the orignial list? Thecoldness 12:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I came looking for gun info and I couldn't find it. And I'm someone who knows nothing about guns. Put it back!
I've added The guns of Heat [3] to the External Links section. Crserrano 01:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
What happend to all the information? Who are these people deleteing it? Its happening all over wikipedia on movie pages, people delete trvia and interesting facts. WHY? Since when is too much information bad??? This is Wikipedia, not Britancia for gods sake! People like this web-site simply becasue it does provide a lot of information that others wont.
Yeah, the trivia is what I come here for. I know what the film is about. Don't cut the interesting stuff
Trivia is discouraged by Wikipedia and the only "trivia" that was on the page was comparing the ending scene to a scene from another movie and noting that it "seemed" like it was inspired from it. If you want trivia, go to IMDB. Slinky317 ( talk) 17:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Heat is based on some real life experiences, but I don't have time to add this now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU5Rfm57XFY&NR=1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.210.45.20 ( talk) 04:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
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Could someone write a quick para and link to the North hollywood shootout which was apparently inspired by the bank robbery/gun battle in this film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.207.2.2 ( talk) 16:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Though there are a remarkable number of similarities, we shouldn't unless it was confirmed by the the robbers, who were shot dead. Imacphee ( talk) 23:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I've trimmed the plot summary extensively, but it's still too long at about 1140 words. -- Tony Sidaway 21:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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Took this out on suspicion of OR, fancruft, totally unsourced, crystall balling and advertisement
Though it was only a moderate success when it hit theaters in 1995, Heat has developed a devout cult following. Its deep characters, clockwork-like plot, and intense violence have earned director Michael Mann's three-hour-long crime epic many fans, more than a few of which are game developers. Indeed, the ultradifficult bank robbery level of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City was a direct homage to the film, featuring copies of the hockey-mask-and-coverall disguises worn in the beginning of Heat and re-creating its violent street-shootout denouement.
Now, it appears Heat will be getting a more direct game adaptation. Today, the hybrid entertainment company Titan Productions announced that it has reached a deal with Regency Entertainment, the Hollywood production company that owns the rights to Heat, to publish a game based on the film for "next-generation consoles" in 2007.
According to Titan Productions, Mann is in talks with Gearbox to oversee the game's development. There's also a good chance that many of the movies' stars will be lending their voices and likenesses to the game. Titan claims it is in "advanced stages with representatives for Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, and Val Kilmer to be part of the video game sequel."
According to a statement by Titan, Heat: The Game will be a prequel or sequel to the film. If the game is a sequel, De Niro's character, Neil McCauley, will appear in flashback, perhaps in the form of training missions. If Pacino declines to get onboard, it would be a sequel that would have a new detective chasing down McCauley's crew.
It may be reinsertable as a footnote paragraph with sources. MickMacNee ( talk) 11:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with this removal because the assertion of similarity is based purely on original research. In particular, critical appraisals such as interpretation of the theme of a film should cite a reliable source. The decision to put weight on matters which may be superficial (the occurrence of the name Vincent in both films, for instance) should also be sourced. Without a source it's reasonable to conclude that the emphasisput in the article may be unjustified. If Mann has discussed the purported similarities in writings or in interviews, or the similarities have been remarked in critical appraisals in reliable secondary sources, then we can mention those facts. -- Jenny 12:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
this page used to be alot bigger and had more images, alot more. Seems like somone didnt use the proper rationale, someone else could do it though? It was a really cool article, pretty bare now. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ( Ταλκ) 01:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yesterday, I changed in the plot summary "Together, the two men share a final, quiet moment of reflection and understanding as McCauley dies." to "Together, the two share a final, quiet moment of reflection and understanding as McCauley dies." as both subjects of the sentence are not both males. 129.97.185.42 ( talk) 20:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In the hope that the current edit war about the content of the Starring field can be concluded I offer Merriam-Websters ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/starring) definition of Starring: "to feature in the most prominent or important role". I believe that definition is an argument for limiting the list to Al Pacino, Robert De Niro and Val Kilmer. Lklundin ( talk) 22:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Right, this is happening again. Can we get a show of hands for who wishes to stick with the consensus formed above, and who doesn't? I'm for keeping it at DeNiro, Pacino and Kilmer, and no more. GRAPPLE X 17:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
The plot summary seems pretty solid right up until the last few sentences. Simply put, we as the viewers do not have evidence for any of those supposed thoughts of Vincent. We don't know that he "knows that he has more in common with" McCauley than anyone else in his life. Where's the source for that information? I'm having a tough time coming up with an end to the plot summary that's more grounded in the images and dialogue of the film that summarizes the ending better, I just wanted to see if this kind of speculation was considered a universal interpretation of the film by Wikipedia editors. Is that really what everyone thinks Vincent is doing at the end? To me, the fact that he never looks at De Niro's character as he's dying implies a much more nuanced view of events: perhaps Vincent realizes on some level his similarity to McCauley, but won't admit it to himself on a conscious level, and thus provides emotional comfort to McCauley because he sees some of himself in the thief without committing to it on a fully cognitive level. Or maybe, Vincent does not even see himself as similar to McCauley at all (and that comparison is available only to the viewers due to the arrangement of the scene), and is only emotionally responding to the situation the way he does because he finally realizes that his life of hunting people results in only death and solitude, with McCauley's death as the catalyst in a metacognitive moment of reflection in Vincent that reminds him of his own mortality and fallibility (as earlier foreshadowed in the scene with his television). Or maybe something totally different is going on in Vincent's head, the point is, all these interpretations seem valid, but putting just one that excludes all other possibilities in the plot summary seems to delineate the emotional thematic ambiguity at the end. Maybe we can come up with a more neutral interpretation? If people are fine with the way it is, I won't suggest changing it against popular consensus, but I think there's something to consider in changing the wording.
Yes I know the difference. "Minute" details would be Natalie Portman's suicide attempt or Kevin Gage's side steps as a serial killer. And even these "minute" details, I believe, would belong here. If your intention is to highlight that the only important point in the plot is the rivalry between two mutual nemeses, then you don't even need the rest of the plot in the first place. The plot according to your philosophy should be summarized in a single paragraph.
However, if you accept this as a choral, multilevel movie (which it is, if only for its long cast of known actors, its overlapping of different plot lines and its 180-minute span) then you should accept the inclusion of the different levels at some point or the other.
This article was once longer and more complete and for some reason it has been mutilated to such an extent that the film's undeniable artistic significance is currently misrepresented. Walter Sobchak0 ( talk) 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
On one hand you stick very adamantly to your version of the article, yet subsequently admit that even you too have a lax attitude from the minute you accept an article of more than 700 words.
If you accept an article of more than 700 words that means there are no rules anymore, and the only rule is common sense. And I don't quite see it written anywhere that you have the monopoly, copyright or usufruct of common sense.
The mere fact that you are a "regular editor here" doesn't give you that extra common sense either. I'm sorry. Heat is a complex film with a complex plot and if you want to reduce it to its minimal expression you don't even need 400 words, 100 would be enough. Or even less: "De Niro plays Neil McCauley, a professional burglar who is a calm and methodical introvert, while Pacino plays a Lt. Vincent Hanna, veteran LAPD homicide detective whose devotion to his job causes him to neglect his personal problems. " should be enough in that case. So you might just as well either work towards the minimal expression of the plot (in which case I'll agree) or let other editors do and act as they deem necessary without interfering. Thank you. I haven't touched any of your contributions. I'd appreciate you didn't do so either with mine unless you have an educated excuse.
Walter Sobchak0 ( talk) 13:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
If you want to reduce this plot to a 1000-word one (which I guess would be your notion of a compromise or a common ground) I think you have far more intelligent ways of doing so. For one thing, this plot has lots of unfounded statements which could be contested (such as Knowing he has more in common with McCauley than anyone else in his life...), whereas my previously erased contributions contain several plot points which are actually relevant (such the ones in the paragraph starting with "By means of a clever ruse...". And if you think McCauley's shadow on the terminal ground is extra, I also think that the "restless SWAT officer" portion is extra as well and should go. Etcetera
So yeah, I've got no problem in plot-trimming (although I just don't understand why it should be trimmed) as long as it's done reasonably.
Walter Sobchak0 ( talk) 13:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I have about had it watching people change the genre tag back and forth. Let's get this hashed out on the table and be done with it. IMDB lists the primary genres for the movie as: Action | Crime | Drama | Mystery | Thriller
Under the "more" link - it includes several more - to the count of 80. Obviously that is absurd for this article. I don't see any reason we can't appease everyone by including the primary 5 listed above. Your thoughts? Please remember this is a consensus, and further editing needs to be withheld until a consensus is reached. If further edit warring continues on this item prior to that determination, then I will start the steps necessary to get the page locked up until people can calm themselves down. Srobak ( talk) 21:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like consensus on this film's genre needs to be clarified. MOS:FILM#Lead section says, "At minimum, the opening sentence should identify the title of the film, the year of its public release, and the major genre(s) under which it can be classified." Calling Heat an action crime drama can be considered "accurate", but we should try to establish the primary genre. It seems to me to be a crime film, as reflected by these Google Books Search Results and Google Scholar Search Results. Erik ( talk) 19:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
We should always try to go with the least wordy option that seems a good fit; lead sentences are under enough pressure to include this-and-that as it is. "Crime film" seems a reasonable option, which encompasses or implies the various other genres we could conceivably come up with (as with The Godfather and "gangster film"). Steve T • C 20:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Let's discuss here if the mainline genre should be crime thriller or crime drama? For me it's a drama, not so much thriller. 201.68.195.208 ( talk) 21:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
On 29 Jan 2010 Andrzejbanas added a plot tag, which says that the plot is too long.
WP:Filmplot suggests a length of 400 to 700 words but accepts that this may be too short for some films, which have complicated or unconventional plots.
When the tag was added the plot was 1,294 words long and is now 1.167 words long.
When the tag was added there clearly was some unnecessary content in the plot (e.g. 'leaving McCauley clinging to life in the fields of the adjoining runways. McCauley tells Hanna "I told you I'm never going back". Hanna answers "yeah".') and a number of sections have been reworded to be clearer as well as shorter.
Having just watched the film (which is almost three hours long as well as being pretty complicated) I don't think that the current plot is too long. I don't think that there are plot elements included that could be removed without impacting on the effectivness of the summary. That is unless it is taken down to paragraph or two.
So any objections if I remove the plot tag?
FerdinandFrog ( talk) 12:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
An editor has asked me to justify the refimprove template I added to the article, so here it is: the article currently has only 8 references, fully half of which are for the real crime section. This is woefully inadequate. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 16:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
User Andrzejbanas only vomits what allmovie says, Heat is not a thriller, it lacks a resolution. Allmovie is not reliable, they list Jurassic Park as action instead of adventure. 201.27.173.220 ( talk) 11:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
[1] lists this as primarly a thriller and an action film. I think it's enough proof that this is an action film. TowerDefender ( talk) 14:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I was surprised to see no mention that Heat is referenced and parodied by a section of Grand Theft Auto IV. Surely there must be many other references to this movie in other media? Stroller ( talk) 21:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd never heard that Heat was based on the experiences of Miami Vice writer / Mann consultant Chuck Adamson, but I found a newspaper review of the DVD commentary which verifies the claim, and added it. And the box office details I found through Box Office Mojo, no problem. Agreeing with perspective from April that the article is otherwise well-enough cited, I'll remove the template from the top now. However, I do agree the plot summary is too detailed -- but it's an intricate story, so scaling that back will be a challenge. WWB ( talk) 03:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I think this movie should be included in the cat:Gangster films, I have found sources [2] that mentions it as a gangster film. Heat is more of a gangster film than No Country for Old Men. Chigurgh ( talk) 22:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
How can NCFOM be a gangster film if no gangsters appear on screen and Heat not be one? Chigurgh ( talk) 23:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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I noticed this article is in need of a shortened/revised plot summary. I'd like to contribute my version which is just under 700 words but includes much more of the plot points skipped over by the current article. Please consider it and if there is consensus here I'd like to replace the existing plot summary (or can I just edit it without consensus if there is a note asking for it?). My proposed version is in the extended content below: KeithLD ( talk) 18:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Career criminal Neil McCauley (
Robert De Niro) and his crew; Chris Shiherlis (
Val Kilmer), Michael Cheritto (
Tom Sizemore), Trejo (
Danny Trejo) and Waingro (
Kevin Gage), perpetrate an armored car heist stealing
USD$1.6 million in
bearer bonds from
money launderer Roger Van Zant (
William Fichtner). During the heist, Waingro impulsively kills one of the guards forcing the crew to execute the remaining two guards out of necessity. Waingro later escapes when McCauley tries to kill him in retaliation. McCauley's
fence Nate (
Jon Voight) sets up a meeting with Van Zant to sell the bonds back and he ostensibly agrees but instructs his men to kill McCauley as a warning to other thieves. With backup from his crew, McCauley thwarts the ambush and vows revenge.
Lieutenant Vincent Hanna ( Al Pacino) of the L.A.P.D. Robbery-Homicide Division heads the investigation of the armored car heist and learns McCauley's crew plans to rob a precious metals depository next. Hanna and his unit stake out the depository but when an officer inadvertently makes a noise exposing the stakeout, McCauley is tipped off and the crew abandon the robbery. Waingro is revealed to be a serial killer, murdering a prostitute with the crime also falling under Hanna's jurisdiction. Despite the "heat" of the police surveillance, McCauley and his crew decide to go through with their final score; a bank holdup with an estimated USD$12 million payoff. Hanna discovers his wife Justine's ( Diane Venora) affair and moves to a hotel and McCauley catches Charlene Shiherlis ( Ashley Judd) cheating on Chris with Alan Marciano ( Hank Azaria), a Las Vegas liquor salesman with a criminal past. Hanna deliberately intercepts McCauley during a surveillance operation and invites him to coffee, where he concedes the problems of his personal life; his concern for his neurotic daughter Lauren ( Natalie Portman) and the failure of his third marriage due to his grueling work schedule. Likewise, McCauley confesses his profession as a robber forbids attachments and stresses mobility, making his relationship with his girlfriend Eady ( Amy Brenneman) tenuous. Having met face to face, Hanna and McCauley share a mutual respect but readily admit neither will hesitate to kill the other if the circumstances demand it. Trejo is compromised just hours before the bank robbery. In need of a new getaway driver, McCauley recruits Donald Breeden ( Dennis Haysbert), an ex-convict frustrated with his demoralizing position as a short order cook at a café. Hanna's unit is alerted to the robbery in-progress through a confidential informant and surprises McCauley's crew as they're exiting the bank. Cherrito, Breeden, and several police officers including Detective Bosko ( Ted Levine) are killed during the ensuing shootout. McCauley narrowly escapes with Chris and leaves him with a doctor to treat his wounds while he tracks down Trejo, who explains that Van Zant's men called in the tip of the robbery from information provided by Waingro. McCauley executes Trejo then hunts down and kills Van Zant and makes new arrangements to flee to New Zealand with Eady, who's now fully aware of his criminal activities. The police surveil Waingro holed up in a hotel near the airport and Hanna attempts to bait McCauley into coming out of hiding by releasing Waingro's whereabouts to the network of bookies, bail bondsman, and snitches he hopes will spread the word. Fed up with Chris' abuse, Charlene leaves him and goes with Marciano to a police safe house where Sergeant Drucker ( Mykelti Williamson) threatens charging her as an accomplice and sending her son Dominic to a foster home if she doesn't surrender Chris to the police. Charlene initially agrees but when Chris shows up in disguise she surreptitiously warns him about the police presence and he slips through the dragnet. Hanna finds Lauren unconscious in his hotel room from a suicide attempt and rushes her to the hospital. As he and Justine wait in the lobby for the news of her recovery they admit their marriage will never work, citing Justine's affair and Hanna's job taking precedence over his personal commitments. McCauley and Eady are en route to the airport when Nate calls with Waingro's location and the temptation proves to be too much for the normally disciplined criminal. He risks his assured freedom and detours to exact his revenge. McCauley infiltrates the hotel, creates a distraction by faking a fire alarm emergency, and kills Waingro but is forced to abandon Eady when he spots Hanna approaching in the crowd. McCauley is then shot and killed by Hanna after a brief foot chase outside the LAX freight terminal, dying as he and Hanna hold hands. |
If the film revolved around the three characters played by Pacino, De Niro, and Kilmer, I could understand why they would be the only actors to appear in the Starring field. But the film does not revolve around three characters; it only revolves around Pacino's and De Niro's characters. If Kilmer's notable, albeit supporting role is included with the leads, then the other notable supporting roles should be included.
Additionally, I am not trying to put the entire cast into the Starring section. I am trying to put in the names that appear on the lower portion of the poster. If these actor names were notable enough to appear in the film's marketing, they should be notable enough to appear in the starring field. Bluerules ( talk) 00:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I composed the plot summary awhile back and I vote that the info box remain with just De Niro, Pacino, and Kilmer with the cast section including the entire list of "stars" of the film. But that's just my vote. KeithLD ( talk) 04:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Bluerules, you continue to change the edits of the page in conflict with the WP Rules regarding consensus. Your arbitrary dismissal of this editing guideline in your last edit note ("So what?") is not acceptable. Please follow the rules and policies of WP. If you do not like them - you can utilize other avenues to try and get them changed, instead of ram-rodding your editing preferences down the majority's throats. This is the last time I expect to see this problem with you. If there is further disruptive editing, then you will be submitted for AIV. Srobak ( talk) 13:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Bluerules ( talk) 23:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Actors billed with an "and" at the end of a list of actors in the billing box are also generally considered to have superior billing, especially if it's inside a box of its own. "Introducing" or "And introducing" and "Special guest star" -- more of a TV thing -- also raise an actor above the rest of the cast. Each of these, if they occur, should be given consideration for possible inclusion in the "starring" field. About the only possible situation which can't be resolved by the factual data of the film's billing is the virtually unknown actor who walks away with a film, and in that case a consensus discussion should be prepared to look at critics' reviews to establish that the actor, even though not billed as such, is a de facto star. Aside from these situations though, billing (in the country of origin) is the way to go, since it's indisputable and heads off these kinds of arguments. Here, it's clear that Pacino, DeNiro and Kilmer are the actors who should be in the "starring" field, and no one else. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Drop it already, Bluerules. You have been advised repeatedly by multiple users about WP:CONSENSUS. 1 person doesn't make for one of those. Enough is enough. You are wasting people's time, bandwidth and space on this talk page, and it is now to the point of your being a WP:DISRUPTIVE USER. Your account has already been blocked once for this. It needn't go any further, but it will if you want it to. Please go find some other article to hark over - but be forewarned that consensus is how all the pages function. It will be more effective for you to make efforts to shift consensus, rather than shove it down people's throats. I will not be wasting my time in dealing with you directly any further - they will simply go straight to ARV. Move along. Srobak ( talk) 16:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like to revisit the issue of the genre. I do not see this as an action film. There are action sequences, yes, but this is predominantly a crime drama. The concentration is on the characters, not on chase scenes or shoot-outs. At any rate, I would like to hear from other editors on this. It looks like the last discussion of this was 2+ years ago. I am not interested in an edit war, nor in starting an argument, I would just like to hear some other opinions. --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 01:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I boldly removed the cast list, arguing that it is needless repetition, since all the important cast members are identified in the plot. I was reverted, with the argument that cast lists are standard in film article. True enough, but they are not required, and there are film articles that do not have them. Considering that the cast list in this article is a constant source of trouble, with different editors revising it fit their own view of which castmembers are more important than others, why not simply remove it, and be done with it? Any thoughts? --- The Old Jacobite The '45 04:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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Inflation calculation error in first section 213.48.106.145 ( talk) 15:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Can we please have some kind of discussion on this instead of back-and-forth edit warring? I don't see what was so wrong with crime film, which is what we came up with two years ago in a prior discussion. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
As with all other remakes, I have noted this movie is a remake in the leading paragraph. Damiantgordon ( talk) 12:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Recently, Das Wolf removed the action categories from this film, I've reverted him, I want to know if there is a consensus whether Heat is considered an action film, this [1] considers Heat action. Deloop82 ( talk) 18:24, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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In section Factual basis, please change "in an 1995 interview" to "in a 1995 interview". 5.151.0.108 ( talk) 11:07, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
TMS Entertainment, is a Japanese animation studio founded in 1964. TMS is one of the oldest anime studios in Japan; best known for produced numerous anime franchises such as Lupin the 3rd, Detective Conan, Bakugan, D.Gray-man, and Sonic X and feature-length films Akira and Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland, alongside animation works for western animation such as Animaniacs, Batman: The Animated Series, Ducktales, Spider-Man: The Animated Series and Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears.
The company has animation subsidiaries collaborating in conjunction with the company, Telecom Animation Film Co., Ltd. (テレコム・アニメーションフィルム Terekomu Animēshon Firumu), which co-animates shows with TMS.
i found out that this company was involved with this film thanks to idmb, check it out: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?companies=co0064579 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 ( talk) 05:15, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
found the relation thanks to imdb, TMS Entertainment (courtesy of: "Akira"): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/companycredits?ref_=tt_ql_dt_4#other — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 ( talk) 00:36, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
This article sucks.
Mainly because those who can edit it never will.
It's statistically proven that only IPs do the bulk of the work on here not the overblown pompous asses who give each other awards and undeserved titles.
For example: the development section is written by the semi-literate. The production section is not much better. No clarity or explicit explanation of the points being made.
Watch this space, nothing will happen cos the so-called editors only remove stuff they don't like and polish turds like this article.
Remember most contributions to Wikipedia (the encyclopedia anyone can edit - my @rse!) are done by IPs not by signe din editors.
Heat is another example of this fact. 81.141.60.156 ( talk) 15:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Addition to Impact section regarding video games. There is no mention of the Payday series of games (Payday: The Heist 2011, Payday 2 2013), whose majority of content is arguably based on scenarios in the film if not at least in part. See: https://www.digitalspy.com/videogames/gamescom/a336972/payday-the-heist-inspired-by-heat-dark-knight-says-developer-gamescom-2011/ https://www.vg247.com/2013/08/13/music-to-heist-to-payday-2s-musical-masterpiece/
There is literally a level of the game called "Heat Street" in which the player engages police in an shootout though an urban city environment in a manner very similar to the downtown LA scene. 68.39.130.255 ( talk) 21:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I have unprotected this article as per a request at WP:RFPU. If further protection is required, please register a new request at WP:RFPP. Chetsford ( talk) 00:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
when did shooting start? All I can find is that the final airport showdown sequence was shot in the same week as the Unabomber scare at LAX (28 June 1995) and that the entire shoot took 107 days. Point of Presence talk 21:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Hallo. I add to the cast Mrs Begonya Plaza, at the role of Anna Trejo, the wife of Trejo in the movie. Why is this delete it? The actress is at a lot of scenes 141.237.121.89 ( talk) 12:13, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Would like to see Tom added to the cast list - was the 'desk clerk/lapd undercover officer' at Waingro's hotel...He was in 2 scenes and his 'inability to recognize McCaulley' led to McCaulley killing Waingro... Tom is a retired LAPD Captain and good friend of Michael Mann's. He's also listed as a technical adviser on the film per IMDb and was the unnamed "LAPD Commander" who drove Mann around the city so Mann could get a feel for LAPD Crime scenes prior to the shooting of the film. I worked for Tom in the 90s and he was a good Commanding Officer...I tried to add him in as a cast member this morning and the edit was removed... thought I'd throw this out there for consideration...*** edit*** ooops, I see that he was added underneath the main cast - as an additional - Thanks!! Sorry -- if it was there prior to this morning... I must be getting old
https://laist.com/news/entertainment/michael-mann-al-pacino-and-robert-de-niro-reflect-on-heat-20-years-later Toastt21 ( talk) 20:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
I read the wiki article about the Norco shootout in 1980, and feel that the depiction of the get-away and shootout bears similarities to the depiction in Heat. I couldn't find any sources with a short Google search but maybe someone can find something. 84.215.194.129 ( talk) 09:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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Common mistake in the synopsis: the girl that Waingro maybe kills (nothing is seen on screen, it's pretty sure he hurts her but we don't know if he kills her) is NOT the same girl whose murder Hanna investigates after. Hairstyle, hair color and skin color are completly different: the prostitue has straight and somewhat bleached hair whereas the murder victim has black cornrows or braids and has a darker complexion. It could be an earlier victim of Waingro or something completely unrelated. Watch it again if you don't believe! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:475:BE90:71BF:8599:3DB9:A5CF ( talk) 18:35, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if any HEAT fans have been puzzled by the fate of Van Zandt's Bearer Bonds. On the IMDB discussion boards there was a "heated" disagreement on whether or not Van Zandt received his Bonds 1st before sending his men to the drive-in to hand Neil his 60% payoff on the bonds. Some believe this to be true...others argue that the Bonds never reached the hands of Van Zandt's people and that he was only interested in killing Neil to send a message about stealing from him. Has anyone else been confused by this?
Please give credit where its due by adding Danny Trejo's character
I agree with the above that the plot description leaving out Danny Trejo and listing every other major actor is a problem. I'm not sure the best way to solve it, however; since Trejo's character's name is also Trejo, crediting the character as "Trejo (Trejo)" seems needlessly confusing, but crediting with the full name "Trejo (Danny Trejo)" deviates from the last-name only format of the rest of the section. In fact, since the page already has an extensive cast section, I'm not even sure listing the actor names in the synopsis is appropriate see: Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary. Anyone have a good idea how to address this? Barring some other idea, I will delete all the actor names from the synopsis and let the cast section speak for itself. Mr Subtlety ( talk) 18:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
On the main page there are two quotes by McCauley, but I have no recollection of those quotes being used in the movie.
It has been a theory of mine that Pacino and Deniro are brothers in the movie. At one point Pacino mentions that he has a brother out there somewhere. Why was that line placed in the movie. When they finally meet at the diner, you can almost sense a unique tension. I feel like there is so much more to their story, and Mann is just giving us a glimpse of it. Does anyone have anything to back this theory up?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.164.99 ( talk) 16:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
I've just given Heat's precursor, L.A. Takedown its own entry as I felt it needed one. If anybody else has more information on it please feel free to add more to it. -- J.D. 12:11, 30 April 2006
Unaccountably, the article includes no mention of LA Takedown, an oversight mow remedied by me in the Background section. I could not, however, get the link to the above page to come out right, so if anyone would like to assist in this, by all means have a go at it! Orthotox ( talk) 08:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Just wondering if someone can identify what shotguns is used by Mykelti Williamson's character in the shootout scene and what by Wes Studi's character in the hotel door breaching scene?
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It's a Mossberg 500 - I've added The guns of Heat [1] to the External Links section. Here's the bit about the Mossberg. [2] Crserrano 01:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys i wanted to add some screenies I took myself to this article just to expand it a little and give it some appeal and hopefully interest in the movie...;).
Tell me what you think. Btw, if they are not displaying correctly or I have done something wrong, do notify me.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Booboo12 ( talk • contribs)
I like the screenshots, especially the one of pacino going nuts ("She's got a great ass"!), but I think there are way too many screenshots, and the captions are mini paragraphs. This is my favorite movie, but I think they make it look way too cluttered. CynicalMe 19:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, I fixed the copyright tag on your screenshots. You put many of them under "I created this.." license, but in fact you don't own the copyright, they belong under the "movie screenshot" fair use tag. CynicalMe 19:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
The authorities that investigated what's known as the North Hollywood shootout believe that the two suspects used the shootout scene in Heat as training and inspiration. Does anyone think its inappropriate to mention that fact in this article?
My recollection from the 1995 theatrical release is that they do, briefly. And the IMDb trivia says:
<< Many viewers claim that Robert De Niro and Al Pacino never (or hardly ever) actually share screen time during the film, despite the hype surrounding the films release as showcasing their first screen appearance. In most Pan and Scan versions of the film, and TV broadcasts, it does appear that during the "diner scene" the two never actually share the screen, but viewing the film in correct letterbox format, as the director intended, clearly shows the two actors sitting at the table, though only in wide shots. >>
Good enough for me. Ribonucleic 13:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Surely it's more accurate to describe De Niro's character as a Robber than a Thief? -- Charlesknight 22:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we need the weapons list? Who cares about that besides gun spotters? What is it's purpose in a general readers Encylopedia? -- Charlesknight 23:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
indeed we do need it , you shouldn't have removed someones hard work in documentation without first discussing it , the reason why we need it is incase you haven't noticed , majority of michael mann's films are extremely realistic when it comes to firearms and firefights. proof can be seen in that film's like collateral , HEAT and miami vice all had the actors go under extensive training in weapon handling techniques and battle-field/urban combat tactics. nto only this , but also i believe michael mann specifically does this to make sure audiences not only understands how fear inducing and deadly firearms and firefights can be , but also that if characters did what they typically do in most action films , they would be dead , extremely quickly. it can be seen on the HEAT dvd's special features in a interview with the audio members that michael mann was determined to have the "right" sound for firearms in the film. also another reason why they use full load blanks. does anyone have a copy of the orignial list? Thecoldness 12:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I came looking for gun info and I couldn't find it. And I'm someone who knows nothing about guns. Put it back!
I've added The guns of Heat [3] to the External Links section. Crserrano 01:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
What happend to all the information? Who are these people deleteing it? Its happening all over wikipedia on movie pages, people delete trvia and interesting facts. WHY? Since when is too much information bad??? This is Wikipedia, not Britancia for gods sake! People like this web-site simply becasue it does provide a lot of information that others wont.
Yeah, the trivia is what I come here for. I know what the film is about. Don't cut the interesting stuff
Trivia is discouraged by Wikipedia and the only "trivia" that was on the page was comparing the ending scene to a scene from another movie and noting that it "seemed" like it was inspired from it. If you want trivia, go to IMDB. Slinky317 ( talk) 17:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Heat is based on some real life experiences, but I don't have time to add this now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU5Rfm57XFY&NR=1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.210.45.20 ( talk) 04:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
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Could someone write a quick para and link to the North hollywood shootout which was apparently inspired by the bank robbery/gun battle in this film? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.207.2.2 ( talk) 16:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Though there are a remarkable number of similarities, we shouldn't unless it was confirmed by the the robbers, who were shot dead. Imacphee ( talk) 23:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I've trimmed the plot summary extensively, but it's still too long at about 1140 words. -- Tony Sidaway 21:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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Though it was only a moderate success when it hit theaters in 1995, Heat has developed a devout cult following. Its deep characters, clockwork-like plot, and intense violence have earned director Michael Mann's three-hour-long crime epic many fans, more than a few of which are game developers. Indeed, the ultradifficult bank robbery level of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City was a direct homage to the film, featuring copies of the hockey-mask-and-coverall disguises worn in the beginning of Heat and re-creating its violent street-shootout denouement.
Now, it appears Heat will be getting a more direct game adaptation. Today, the hybrid entertainment company Titan Productions announced that it has reached a deal with Regency Entertainment, the Hollywood production company that owns the rights to Heat, to publish a game based on the film for "next-generation consoles" in 2007.
According to Titan Productions, Mann is in talks with Gearbox to oversee the game's development. There's also a good chance that many of the movies' stars will be lending their voices and likenesses to the game. Titan claims it is in "advanced stages with representatives for Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, and Val Kilmer to be part of the video game sequel."
According to a statement by Titan, Heat: The Game will be a prequel or sequel to the film. If the game is a sequel, De Niro's character, Neil McCauley, will appear in flashback, perhaps in the form of training missions. If Pacino declines to get onboard, it would be a sequel that would have a new detective chasing down McCauley's crew.
It may be reinsertable as a footnote paragraph with sources. MickMacNee ( talk) 11:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with this removal because the assertion of similarity is based purely on original research. In particular, critical appraisals such as interpretation of the theme of a film should cite a reliable source. The decision to put weight on matters which may be superficial (the occurrence of the name Vincent in both films, for instance) should also be sourced. Without a source it's reasonable to conclude that the emphasisput in the article may be unjustified. If Mann has discussed the purported similarities in writings or in interviews, or the similarities have been remarked in critical appraisals in reliable secondary sources, then we can mention those facts. -- Jenny 12:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
this page used to be alot bigger and had more images, alot more. Seems like somone didnt use the proper rationale, someone else could do it though? It was a really cool article, pretty bare now. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ( Ταλκ) 01:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yesterday, I changed in the plot summary "Together, the two men share a final, quiet moment of reflection and understanding as McCauley dies." to "Together, the two share a final, quiet moment of reflection and understanding as McCauley dies." as both subjects of the sentence are not both males. 129.97.185.42 ( talk) 20:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
In the hope that the current edit war about the content of the Starring field can be concluded I offer Merriam-Websters ( http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/starring) definition of Starring: "to feature in the most prominent or important role". I believe that definition is an argument for limiting the list to Al Pacino, Robert De Niro and Val Kilmer. Lklundin ( talk) 22:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Right, this is happening again. Can we get a show of hands for who wishes to stick with the consensus formed above, and who doesn't? I'm for keeping it at DeNiro, Pacino and Kilmer, and no more. GRAPPLE X 17:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
The plot summary seems pretty solid right up until the last few sentences. Simply put, we as the viewers do not have evidence for any of those supposed thoughts of Vincent. We don't know that he "knows that he has more in common with" McCauley than anyone else in his life. Where's the source for that information? I'm having a tough time coming up with an end to the plot summary that's more grounded in the images and dialogue of the film that summarizes the ending better, I just wanted to see if this kind of speculation was considered a universal interpretation of the film by Wikipedia editors. Is that really what everyone thinks Vincent is doing at the end? To me, the fact that he never looks at De Niro's character as he's dying implies a much more nuanced view of events: perhaps Vincent realizes on some level his similarity to McCauley, but won't admit it to himself on a conscious level, and thus provides emotional comfort to McCauley because he sees some of himself in the thief without committing to it on a fully cognitive level. Or maybe, Vincent does not even see himself as similar to McCauley at all (and that comparison is available only to the viewers due to the arrangement of the scene), and is only emotionally responding to the situation the way he does because he finally realizes that his life of hunting people results in only death and solitude, with McCauley's death as the catalyst in a metacognitive moment of reflection in Vincent that reminds him of his own mortality and fallibility (as earlier foreshadowed in the scene with his television). Or maybe something totally different is going on in Vincent's head, the point is, all these interpretations seem valid, but putting just one that excludes all other possibilities in the plot summary seems to delineate the emotional thematic ambiguity at the end. Maybe we can come up with a more neutral interpretation? If people are fine with the way it is, I won't suggest changing it against popular consensus, but I think there's something to consider in changing the wording.
Yes I know the difference. "Minute" details would be Natalie Portman's suicide attempt or Kevin Gage's side steps as a serial killer. And even these "minute" details, I believe, would belong here. If your intention is to highlight that the only important point in the plot is the rivalry between two mutual nemeses, then you don't even need the rest of the plot in the first place. The plot according to your philosophy should be summarized in a single paragraph.
However, if you accept this as a choral, multilevel movie (which it is, if only for its long cast of known actors, its overlapping of different plot lines and its 180-minute span) then you should accept the inclusion of the different levels at some point or the other.
This article was once longer and more complete and for some reason it has been mutilated to such an extent that the film's undeniable artistic significance is currently misrepresented. Walter Sobchak0 ( talk) 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
On one hand you stick very adamantly to your version of the article, yet subsequently admit that even you too have a lax attitude from the minute you accept an article of more than 700 words.
If you accept an article of more than 700 words that means there are no rules anymore, and the only rule is common sense. And I don't quite see it written anywhere that you have the monopoly, copyright or usufruct of common sense.
The mere fact that you are a "regular editor here" doesn't give you that extra common sense either. I'm sorry. Heat is a complex film with a complex plot and if you want to reduce it to its minimal expression you don't even need 400 words, 100 would be enough. Or even less: "De Niro plays Neil McCauley, a professional burglar who is a calm and methodical introvert, while Pacino plays a Lt. Vincent Hanna, veteran LAPD homicide detective whose devotion to his job causes him to neglect his personal problems. " should be enough in that case. So you might just as well either work towards the minimal expression of the plot (in which case I'll agree) or let other editors do and act as they deem necessary without interfering. Thank you. I haven't touched any of your contributions. I'd appreciate you didn't do so either with mine unless you have an educated excuse.
Walter Sobchak0 ( talk) 13:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
If you want to reduce this plot to a 1000-word one (which I guess would be your notion of a compromise or a common ground) I think you have far more intelligent ways of doing so. For one thing, this plot has lots of unfounded statements which could be contested (such as Knowing he has more in common with McCauley than anyone else in his life...), whereas my previously erased contributions contain several plot points which are actually relevant (such the ones in the paragraph starting with "By means of a clever ruse...". And if you think McCauley's shadow on the terminal ground is extra, I also think that the "restless SWAT officer" portion is extra as well and should go. Etcetera
So yeah, I've got no problem in plot-trimming (although I just don't understand why it should be trimmed) as long as it's done reasonably.
Walter Sobchak0 ( talk) 13:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I have about had it watching people change the genre tag back and forth. Let's get this hashed out on the table and be done with it. IMDB lists the primary genres for the movie as: Action | Crime | Drama | Mystery | Thriller
Under the "more" link - it includes several more - to the count of 80. Obviously that is absurd for this article. I don't see any reason we can't appease everyone by including the primary 5 listed above. Your thoughts? Please remember this is a consensus, and further editing needs to be withheld until a consensus is reached. If further edit warring continues on this item prior to that determination, then I will start the steps necessary to get the page locked up until people can calm themselves down. Srobak ( talk) 21:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Seems like consensus on this film's genre needs to be clarified. MOS:FILM#Lead section says, "At minimum, the opening sentence should identify the title of the film, the year of its public release, and the major genre(s) under which it can be classified." Calling Heat an action crime drama can be considered "accurate", but we should try to establish the primary genre. It seems to me to be a crime film, as reflected by these Google Books Search Results and Google Scholar Search Results. Erik ( talk) 19:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
We should always try to go with the least wordy option that seems a good fit; lead sentences are under enough pressure to include this-and-that as it is. "Crime film" seems a reasonable option, which encompasses or implies the various other genres we could conceivably come up with (as with The Godfather and "gangster film"). Steve T • C 20:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Let's discuss here if the mainline genre should be crime thriller or crime drama? For me it's a drama, not so much thriller. 201.68.195.208 ( talk) 21:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
On 29 Jan 2010 Andrzejbanas added a plot tag, which says that the plot is too long.
WP:Filmplot suggests a length of 400 to 700 words but accepts that this may be too short for some films, which have complicated or unconventional plots.
When the tag was added the plot was 1,294 words long and is now 1.167 words long.
When the tag was added there clearly was some unnecessary content in the plot (e.g. 'leaving McCauley clinging to life in the fields of the adjoining runways. McCauley tells Hanna "I told you I'm never going back". Hanna answers "yeah".') and a number of sections have been reworded to be clearer as well as shorter.
Having just watched the film (which is almost three hours long as well as being pretty complicated) I don't think that the current plot is too long. I don't think that there are plot elements included that could be removed without impacting on the effectivness of the summary. That is unless it is taken down to paragraph or two.
So any objections if I remove the plot tag?
FerdinandFrog ( talk) 12:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
An editor has asked me to justify the refimprove template I added to the article, so here it is: the article currently has only 8 references, fully half of which are for the real crime section. This is woefully inadequate. --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 16:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
User Andrzejbanas only vomits what allmovie says, Heat is not a thriller, it lacks a resolution. Allmovie is not reliable, they list Jurassic Park as action instead of adventure. 201.27.173.220 ( talk) 11:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
[1] lists this as primarly a thriller and an action film. I think it's enough proof that this is an action film. TowerDefender ( talk) 14:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
I was surprised to see no mention that Heat is referenced and parodied by a section of Grand Theft Auto IV. Surely there must be many other references to this movie in other media? Stroller ( talk) 21:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I'd never heard that Heat was based on the experiences of Miami Vice writer / Mann consultant Chuck Adamson, but I found a newspaper review of the DVD commentary which verifies the claim, and added it. And the box office details I found through Box Office Mojo, no problem. Agreeing with perspective from April that the article is otherwise well-enough cited, I'll remove the template from the top now. However, I do agree the plot summary is too detailed -- but it's an intricate story, so scaling that back will be a challenge. WWB ( talk) 03:14, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I think this movie should be included in the cat:Gangster films, I have found sources [2] that mentions it as a gangster film. Heat is more of a gangster film than No Country for Old Men. Chigurgh ( talk) 22:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
How can NCFOM be a gangster film if no gangsters appear on screen and Heat not be one? Chigurgh ( talk) 23:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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I noticed this article is in need of a shortened/revised plot summary. I'd like to contribute my version which is just under 700 words but includes much more of the plot points skipped over by the current article. Please consider it and if there is consensus here I'd like to replace the existing plot summary (or can I just edit it without consensus if there is a note asking for it?). My proposed version is in the extended content below: KeithLD ( talk) 18:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
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Career criminal Neil McCauley (
Robert De Niro) and his crew; Chris Shiherlis (
Val Kilmer), Michael Cheritto (
Tom Sizemore), Trejo (
Danny Trejo) and Waingro (
Kevin Gage), perpetrate an armored car heist stealing
USD$1.6 million in
bearer bonds from
money launderer Roger Van Zant (
William Fichtner). During the heist, Waingro impulsively kills one of the guards forcing the crew to execute the remaining two guards out of necessity. Waingro later escapes when McCauley tries to kill him in retaliation. McCauley's
fence Nate (
Jon Voight) sets up a meeting with Van Zant to sell the bonds back and he ostensibly agrees but instructs his men to kill McCauley as a warning to other thieves. With backup from his crew, McCauley thwarts the ambush and vows revenge.
Lieutenant Vincent Hanna ( Al Pacino) of the L.A.P.D. Robbery-Homicide Division heads the investigation of the armored car heist and learns McCauley's crew plans to rob a precious metals depository next. Hanna and his unit stake out the depository but when an officer inadvertently makes a noise exposing the stakeout, McCauley is tipped off and the crew abandon the robbery. Waingro is revealed to be a serial killer, murdering a prostitute with the crime also falling under Hanna's jurisdiction. Despite the "heat" of the police surveillance, McCauley and his crew decide to go through with their final score; a bank holdup with an estimated USD$12 million payoff. Hanna discovers his wife Justine's ( Diane Venora) affair and moves to a hotel and McCauley catches Charlene Shiherlis ( Ashley Judd) cheating on Chris with Alan Marciano ( Hank Azaria), a Las Vegas liquor salesman with a criminal past. Hanna deliberately intercepts McCauley during a surveillance operation and invites him to coffee, where he concedes the problems of his personal life; his concern for his neurotic daughter Lauren ( Natalie Portman) and the failure of his third marriage due to his grueling work schedule. Likewise, McCauley confesses his profession as a robber forbids attachments and stresses mobility, making his relationship with his girlfriend Eady ( Amy Brenneman) tenuous. Having met face to face, Hanna and McCauley share a mutual respect but readily admit neither will hesitate to kill the other if the circumstances demand it. Trejo is compromised just hours before the bank robbery. In need of a new getaway driver, McCauley recruits Donald Breeden ( Dennis Haysbert), an ex-convict frustrated with his demoralizing position as a short order cook at a café. Hanna's unit is alerted to the robbery in-progress through a confidential informant and surprises McCauley's crew as they're exiting the bank. Cherrito, Breeden, and several police officers including Detective Bosko ( Ted Levine) are killed during the ensuing shootout. McCauley narrowly escapes with Chris and leaves him with a doctor to treat his wounds while he tracks down Trejo, who explains that Van Zant's men called in the tip of the robbery from information provided by Waingro. McCauley executes Trejo then hunts down and kills Van Zant and makes new arrangements to flee to New Zealand with Eady, who's now fully aware of his criminal activities. The police surveil Waingro holed up in a hotel near the airport and Hanna attempts to bait McCauley into coming out of hiding by releasing Waingro's whereabouts to the network of bookies, bail bondsman, and snitches he hopes will spread the word. Fed up with Chris' abuse, Charlene leaves him and goes with Marciano to a police safe house where Sergeant Drucker ( Mykelti Williamson) threatens charging her as an accomplice and sending her son Dominic to a foster home if she doesn't surrender Chris to the police. Charlene initially agrees but when Chris shows up in disguise she surreptitiously warns him about the police presence and he slips through the dragnet. Hanna finds Lauren unconscious in his hotel room from a suicide attempt and rushes her to the hospital. As he and Justine wait in the lobby for the news of her recovery they admit their marriage will never work, citing Justine's affair and Hanna's job taking precedence over his personal commitments. McCauley and Eady are en route to the airport when Nate calls with Waingro's location and the temptation proves to be too much for the normally disciplined criminal. He risks his assured freedom and detours to exact his revenge. McCauley infiltrates the hotel, creates a distraction by faking a fire alarm emergency, and kills Waingro but is forced to abandon Eady when he spots Hanna approaching in the crowd. McCauley is then shot and killed by Hanna after a brief foot chase outside the LAX freight terminal, dying as he and Hanna hold hands. |
If the film revolved around the three characters played by Pacino, De Niro, and Kilmer, I could understand why they would be the only actors to appear in the Starring field. But the film does not revolve around three characters; it only revolves around Pacino's and De Niro's characters. If Kilmer's notable, albeit supporting role is included with the leads, then the other notable supporting roles should be included.
Additionally, I am not trying to put the entire cast into the Starring section. I am trying to put in the names that appear on the lower portion of the poster. If these actor names were notable enough to appear in the film's marketing, they should be notable enough to appear in the starring field. Bluerules ( talk) 00:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I composed the plot summary awhile back and I vote that the info box remain with just De Niro, Pacino, and Kilmer with the cast section including the entire list of "stars" of the film. But that's just my vote. KeithLD ( talk) 04:58, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Bluerules, you continue to change the edits of the page in conflict with the WP Rules regarding consensus. Your arbitrary dismissal of this editing guideline in your last edit note ("So what?") is not acceptable. Please follow the rules and policies of WP. If you do not like them - you can utilize other avenues to try and get them changed, instead of ram-rodding your editing preferences down the majority's throats. This is the last time I expect to see this problem with you. If there is further disruptive editing, then you will be submitted for AIV. Srobak ( talk) 13:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Bluerules ( talk) 23:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Actors billed with an "and" at the end of a list of actors in the billing box are also generally considered to have superior billing, especially if it's inside a box of its own. "Introducing" or "And introducing" and "Special guest star" -- more of a TV thing -- also raise an actor above the rest of the cast. Each of these, if they occur, should be given consideration for possible inclusion in the "starring" field. About the only possible situation which can't be resolved by the factual data of the film's billing is the virtually unknown actor who walks away with a film, and in that case a consensus discussion should be prepared to look at critics' reviews to establish that the actor, even though not billed as such, is a de facto star. Aside from these situations though, billing (in the country of origin) is the way to go, since it's indisputable and heads off these kinds of arguments. Here, it's clear that Pacino, DeNiro and Kilmer are the actors who should be in the "starring" field, and no one else. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Drop it already, Bluerules. You have been advised repeatedly by multiple users about WP:CONSENSUS. 1 person doesn't make for one of those. Enough is enough. You are wasting people's time, bandwidth and space on this talk page, and it is now to the point of your being a WP:DISRUPTIVE USER. Your account has already been blocked once for this. It needn't go any further, but it will if you want it to. Please go find some other article to hark over - but be forewarned that consensus is how all the pages function. It will be more effective for you to make efforts to shift consensus, rather than shove it down people's throats. I will not be wasting my time in dealing with you directly any further - they will simply go straight to ARV. Move along. Srobak ( talk) 16:39, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like to revisit the issue of the genre. I do not see this as an action film. There are action sequences, yes, but this is predominantly a crime drama. The concentration is on the characters, not on chase scenes or shoot-outs. At any rate, I would like to hear from other editors on this. It looks like the last discussion of this was 2+ years ago. I am not interested in an edit war, nor in starting an argument, I would just like to hear some other opinions. --- RepublicanJacobite TheFortyFive 01:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
I boldly removed the cast list, arguing that it is needless repetition, since all the important cast members are identified in the plot. I was reverted, with the argument that cast lists are standard in film article. True enough, but they are not required, and there are film articles that do not have them. Considering that the cast list in this article is a constant source of trouble, with different editors revising it fit their own view of which castmembers are more important than others, why not simply remove it, and be done with it? Any thoughts? --- The Old Jacobite The '45 04:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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Inflation calculation error in first section 213.48.106.145 ( talk) 15:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Can we please have some kind of discussion on this instead of back-and-forth edit warring? I don't see what was so wrong with crime film, which is what we came up with two years ago in a prior discussion. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 12:53, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
As with all other remakes, I have noted this movie is a remake in the leading paragraph. Damiantgordon ( talk) 12:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Recently, Das Wolf removed the action categories from this film, I've reverted him, I want to know if there is a consensus whether Heat is considered an action film, this [1] considers Heat action. Deloop82 ( talk) 18:24, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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In section Factual basis, please change "in an 1995 interview" to "in a 1995 interview". 5.151.0.108 ( talk) 11:07, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
TMS Entertainment, is a Japanese animation studio founded in 1964. TMS is one of the oldest anime studios in Japan; best known for produced numerous anime franchises such as Lupin the 3rd, Detective Conan, Bakugan, D.Gray-man, and Sonic X and feature-length films Akira and Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland, alongside animation works for western animation such as Animaniacs, Batman: The Animated Series, Ducktales, Spider-Man: The Animated Series and Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears.
The company has animation subsidiaries collaborating in conjunction with the company, Telecom Animation Film Co., Ltd. (テレコム・アニメーションフィルム Terekomu Animēshon Firumu), which co-animates shows with TMS.
i found out that this company was involved with this film thanks to idmb, check it out: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?companies=co0064579 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 ( talk) 05:15, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
found the relation thanks to imdb, TMS Entertainment (courtesy of: "Akira"): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/companycredits?ref_=tt_ql_dt_4#other — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.210.21 ( talk) 00:36, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
This article sucks.
Mainly because those who can edit it never will.
It's statistically proven that only IPs do the bulk of the work on here not the overblown pompous asses who give each other awards and undeserved titles.
For example: the development section is written by the semi-literate. The production section is not much better. No clarity or explicit explanation of the points being made.
Watch this space, nothing will happen cos the so-called editors only remove stuff they don't like and polish turds like this article.
Remember most contributions to Wikipedia (the encyclopedia anyone can edit - my @rse!) are done by IPs not by signe din editors.
Heat is another example of this fact. 81.141.60.156 ( talk) 15:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Addition to Impact section regarding video games. There is no mention of the Payday series of games (Payday: The Heist 2011, Payday 2 2013), whose majority of content is arguably based on scenarios in the film if not at least in part. See: https://www.digitalspy.com/videogames/gamescom/a336972/payday-the-heist-inspired-by-heat-dark-knight-says-developer-gamescom-2011/ https://www.vg247.com/2013/08/13/music-to-heist-to-payday-2s-musical-masterpiece/
There is literally a level of the game called "Heat Street" in which the player engages police in an shootout though an urban city environment in a manner very similar to the downtown LA scene. 68.39.130.255 ( talk) 21:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
I have unprotected this article as per a request at WP:RFPU. If further protection is required, please register a new request at WP:RFPP. Chetsford ( talk) 00:47, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
when did shooting start? All I can find is that the final airport showdown sequence was shot in the same week as the Unabomber scare at LAX (28 June 1995) and that the entire shoot took 107 days. Point of Presence talk 21:09, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Hallo. I add to the cast Mrs Begonya Plaza, at the role of Anna Trejo, the wife of Trejo in the movie. Why is this delete it? The actress is at a lot of scenes 141.237.121.89 ( talk) 12:13, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Would like to see Tom added to the cast list - was the 'desk clerk/lapd undercover officer' at Waingro's hotel...He was in 2 scenes and his 'inability to recognize McCaulley' led to McCaulley killing Waingro... Tom is a retired LAPD Captain and good friend of Michael Mann's. He's also listed as a technical adviser on the film per IMDb and was the unnamed "LAPD Commander" who drove Mann around the city so Mann could get a feel for LAPD Crime scenes prior to the shooting of the film. I worked for Tom in the 90s and he was a good Commanding Officer...I tried to add him in as a cast member this morning and the edit was removed... thought I'd throw this out there for consideration...*** edit*** ooops, I see that he was added underneath the main cast - as an additional - Thanks!! Sorry -- if it was there prior to this morning... I must be getting old
https://laist.com/news/entertainment/michael-mann-al-pacino-and-robert-de-niro-reflect-on-heat-20-years-later Toastt21 ( talk) 20:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
I read the wiki article about the Norco shootout in 1980, and feel that the depiction of the get-away and shootout bears similarities to the depiction in Heat. I couldn't find any sources with a short Google search but maybe someone can find something. 84.215.194.129 ( talk) 09:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)