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I have looked at three or four current health psych text books. Occupational health is not mentioned. Why is this unknown field in the article? Psyballed ( talk) 01:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I think you should look to other sources. Textbooks in health psychology tend to be less than satisfactory. As far back as 1986, when occupational health psychology was emerging as a discipline, Everly linked OHP to health psychology. [1] If you look at Oxford University's Bibliographies of Psychology, the occupational health psychology annotated bibliography is listed under health psychology.
I know you are starting out in WP and mean well, and most of your edits are good ones, but I think that the edit I made should stand. Iss246 ( talk) 02:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed. Here is the list of units that Oxford University Press subsumes under Health Psychology: Acculturation and Health, Addictive Behavior, Drugs and Behavior, Habit Formation and Behavior Change, Health Psychology, Loneliness and Health, Occupational Health Psychology, Personality and Health, Psychology of Stress and Coping, and Rehabilitation Psychology.
I got from the OUP website. See for yourself: https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/page/psychology Iss246 ( talk) 23:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, Oxford University Press lists the subjects within psychology that are related to HP under HP. See OUP's website. Look carefully. By the same token, under clinical psychology, Oxford listed the subject related to clinical psychology. And so on. Iss246 ( talk) 16:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, you can't say something like "My sources are good sources but your sources are not good sources." That is schoolyard stuff. Iss246 ( talk) 00:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, this is what I don't understand. You have about 15 edits on Wikipedia. So you are a "newcomer" to WP. I have in excess of 13,000 edits. Right off the bat you know so much about WP that you can challenge me. It is not that you don't have the right to challenge my edits. You do. But it is unusual that someone so new to WP knows his or her around WP from the git-go. When I was new to WP, it took me some time to get going and know how to do things. But I am going to assume that your edits and your comments are in good faith. For the time being.
Here is a source that you missed although I cited it earlier but you neglected to check it: "Briefly stated, health psychology is dedicated to the application of psychological theories, principles, and practices to the prevention, diagnosis, treatment, and rehabilitation of physical disease and dysfunction. Occupational health psychology, then, is the practice of health psychology relating to, or in the context of, the occupational milieu." [1] Iss246 ( talk) 14:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, The reference comes from the founding of the field of OHP, for your information. I have additional references but I don't like your inquisitorial attitude, particularly given your so-called newcomer status. I am going to hold back. Iss246 ( talk) 22:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Anyone on WP can make any claim about their competence. I have no way of knowing that you are a health psychologist, as you claim. Or that you have colleagues who are health psychologists. I do know two things about you that are verifiable. One is that you present yourself as a newcomer to WP, given the 15 edits I saw earlier today. The second is that you come on like gangbusters on my edits. I really don't think you are new to WP. Iss246 ( talk) 01:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Don't give me that mumbo jumbo "defensive" BS. Or you-think-you-own-the-article baloney. What is bizarre is something you don't like to see. You pretend to be a newcomer to WP but we know better. Iss246 ( talk) 03:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey, pal. Don't police me. What are you, Inspector Javert? Here is a quote from the Oxford Bibliography, which you could have looked up yourself, "OHP derives from two disciplines within applied psychology, health psychology and industrial/organizational psychology. OHP is also linked to disciplines outside of psychology, such as occupational medicine and public health." Iss246 ( talk) 16:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, don't hound me. Read the texts. You will see that the emergence of OHP is partly owed to HP. Iss246 ( talk) 16:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Psychalled, I'm convinced you are the same nudnik who hassled me in the past only now you are hassling me from another angle and using a different name. It is the same one-note song. Iss246 ( talk) 00:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Psyballed, why are you following around and altering my edits with a singlemindedness that is not reflective of your being a newcomer to WP? Iss246 ( talk) 00:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Psycalled, don't be a nudnik like your predecessors. You're not the newcomer to WP you pretend to be. Iss246 ( talk) 21:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Psyballed. Don't give me a lecture. I adjusted the references. You talk about rules. You are not supposed to pose as a newcomer. Iss246 ( talk) 23:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
References
I ask for an experienced WP editor to help settle the disagreement between Psyballed and me. The disagreement is over occupational health psychology being one of the fields to which health psychology is related. Iss246 ( talk) 16:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Psyballed, you unfortunately don't know what you are talking about. But I forgive you for being mixed up. It is really difficult--very challenging--for a Wikipedia newcomer, a veritable neophyte, to observe that occupational health psychology is related to health psychology. You're just a newcomer who has nothing more to do than spend 95% of his time on Wikipedia hassling about this matter.
By the by, the paper by Marks et al. indicates that there are four divisions of HP. The sources I wrote indicate that OHP is partly related to HP. Read the text pal. It would do you good. Like fresh air. Iss246 ( talk) 02:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
After a week, if this edit warring continues, I will simply indef block anyone reverting, no matter how "right" you are. Use the talk page to discuss the problems. Or don't and get blocked, it doesn't matter to me, because either way, the warring is going to stop. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 17:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Are the sources cited to document a link between occupational health psychology and health psychology sufficient to establish that the two fields are related? Iss246 ( talk) 21:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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User:Dennis Brown. I'm not sure what I did incorrectly in posting this RfC. Iss246 ( talk) 21:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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Iss246, start the RfC in its own section. Please include the sources in the RfC question (don't make other editors go hunting through the talk page and article history to try to figure out what you're talking about). Advertise the RfC on the talk pages for WP:WikiProject Medicine and WP:WikiProject Psychology, you can use template:Rfc notice to do so. Schazjmd (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC) |
User:Psyballed, I have responded to your question by supplying sources. They may not be the sources you like, but è la vita. I originally didn't want to use more than one or two sources but your attempting to give me the third-degree as if you were the district attorney in 1940s B detective movie led me to add more sources in order to buttress the evidence showing that occupational health psychology is related to health psychology. Please don't take that inquisitorial tone with me. I don't take such a tone with you. Iss246 ( talk) 20:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
This definition locates OHP at the interface between occupational health and psychology. Cox and colleagues suggest that the areas of psychology that might be applied in addressing occupational health issues include health psychology, work and organizational psychology, and social and environmental psychology"Do either of the other two sources have more specific wording that connects OHP as being considered part of the field of health psychology, any more closely than in the way any field of psychology is necessarily related to the others? Schazjmd (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
The Oxford reference does not say "....four different divisions within health psychology and one related field, occupational health psychology (OHP) have developed over time". None of the 4 sources currently in the article say that or close to that. If sources do not back up the text they should be immediately removed I was reading in Wiki rules today. Iss246 do you or WhatamIdoing have any reference at all which combines both fields in the same sentence or even same paragraph of a source without patching the two sources together and synthesizing them creating original research. There are many related areas to health psych. Why are you creating original research? I am a Health psych myself and I have never heard of this other supposed related field. Psyballed ( talk) 00:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add Optimism#Associations_with_health under the See Also section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonahloci ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Not done Sorry,
Jonahloci, this article makes no mention of "optimism", and the see-also would be only be a tangential relationship. I also removed the section-see-also in
Optimism that pointed to this article; a reader wanting to know more about optimism and health would not be well served being brought to this article.
Schazjmd
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I have looked at three or four current health psych text books. Occupational health is not mentioned. Why is this unknown field in the article? Psyballed ( talk) 01:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I think you should look to other sources. Textbooks in health psychology tend to be less than satisfactory. As far back as 1986, when occupational health psychology was emerging as a discipline, Everly linked OHP to health psychology. [1] If you look at Oxford University's Bibliographies of Psychology, the occupational health psychology annotated bibliography is listed under health psychology.
I know you are starting out in WP and mean well, and most of your edits are good ones, but I think that the edit I made should stand. Iss246 ( talk) 02:34, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed. Here is the list of units that Oxford University Press subsumes under Health Psychology: Acculturation and Health, Addictive Behavior, Drugs and Behavior, Habit Formation and Behavior Change, Health Psychology, Loneliness and Health, Occupational Health Psychology, Personality and Health, Psychology of Stress and Coping, and Rehabilitation Psychology.
I got from the OUP website. See for yourself: https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/page/psychology Iss246 ( talk) 23:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, Oxford University Press lists the subjects within psychology that are related to HP under HP. See OUP's website. Look carefully. By the same token, under clinical psychology, Oxford listed the subject related to clinical psychology. And so on. Iss246 ( talk) 16:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, you can't say something like "My sources are good sources but your sources are not good sources." That is schoolyard stuff. Iss246 ( talk) 00:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, this is what I don't understand. You have about 15 edits on Wikipedia. So you are a "newcomer" to WP. I have in excess of 13,000 edits. Right off the bat you know so much about WP that you can challenge me. It is not that you don't have the right to challenge my edits. You do. But it is unusual that someone so new to WP knows his or her around WP from the git-go. When I was new to WP, it took me some time to get going and know how to do things. But I am going to assume that your edits and your comments are in good faith. For the time being.
Here is a source that you missed although I cited it earlier but you neglected to check it: "Briefly stated, health psychology is dedicated to the application of psychological theories, principles, and practices to the prevention, diagnosis, treatment, and rehabilitation of physical disease and dysfunction. Occupational health psychology, then, is the practice of health psychology relating to, or in the context of, the occupational milieu." [1] Iss246 ( talk) 14:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, The reference comes from the founding of the field of OHP, for your information. I have additional references but I don't like your inquisitorial attitude, particularly given your so-called newcomer status. I am going to hold back. Iss246 ( talk) 22:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Anyone on WP can make any claim about their competence. I have no way of knowing that you are a health psychologist, as you claim. Or that you have colleagues who are health psychologists. I do know two things about you that are verifiable. One is that you present yourself as a newcomer to WP, given the 15 edits I saw earlier today. The second is that you come on like gangbusters on my edits. I really don't think you are new to WP. Iss246 ( talk) 01:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Don't give me that mumbo jumbo "defensive" BS. Or you-think-you-own-the-article baloney. What is bizarre is something you don't like to see. You pretend to be a newcomer to WP but we know better. Iss246 ( talk) 03:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey, pal. Don't police me. What are you, Inspector Javert? Here is a quote from the Oxford Bibliography, which you could have looked up yourself, "OHP derives from two disciplines within applied psychology, health psychology and industrial/organizational psychology. OHP is also linked to disciplines outside of psychology, such as occupational medicine and public health." Iss246 ( talk) 16:16, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Psyballed, don't hound me. Read the texts. You will see that the emergence of OHP is partly owed to HP. Iss246 ( talk) 16:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Psychalled, I'm convinced you are the same nudnik who hassled me in the past only now you are hassling me from another angle and using a different name. It is the same one-note song. Iss246 ( talk) 00:36, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Psyballed, why are you following around and altering my edits with a singlemindedness that is not reflective of your being a newcomer to WP? Iss246 ( talk) 00:33, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Psycalled, don't be a nudnik like your predecessors. You're not the newcomer to WP you pretend to be. Iss246 ( talk) 21:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Psyballed. Don't give me a lecture. I adjusted the references. You talk about rules. You are not supposed to pose as a newcomer. Iss246 ( talk) 23:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
References
I ask for an experienced WP editor to help settle the disagreement between Psyballed and me. The disagreement is over occupational health psychology being one of the fields to which health psychology is related. Iss246 ( talk) 16:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Psyballed, you unfortunately don't know what you are talking about. But I forgive you for being mixed up. It is really difficult--very challenging--for a Wikipedia newcomer, a veritable neophyte, to observe that occupational health psychology is related to health psychology. You're just a newcomer who has nothing more to do than spend 95% of his time on Wikipedia hassling about this matter.
By the by, the paper by Marks et al. indicates that there are four divisions of HP. The sources I wrote indicate that OHP is partly related to HP. Read the text pal. It would do you good. Like fresh air. Iss246 ( talk) 02:02, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
After a week, if this edit warring continues, I will simply indef block anyone reverting, no matter how "right" you are. Use the talk page to discuss the problems. Or don't and get blocked, it doesn't matter to me, because either way, the warring is going to stop. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 17:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Are the sources cited to document a link between occupational health psychology and health psychology sufficient to establish that the two fields are related? Iss246 ( talk) 21:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
technical difficulty
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User:Dennis Brown. I'm not sure what I did incorrectly in posting this RfC. Iss246 ( talk) 21:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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collapsing more technical direction
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Iss246, start the RfC in its own section. Please include the sources in the RfC question (don't make other editors go hunting through the talk page and article history to try to figure out what you're talking about). Advertise the RfC on the talk pages for WP:WikiProject Medicine and WP:WikiProject Psychology, you can use template:Rfc notice to do so. Schazjmd (talk) 23:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC) |
User:Psyballed, I have responded to your question by supplying sources. They may not be the sources you like, but è la vita. I originally didn't want to use more than one or two sources but your attempting to give me the third-degree as if you were the district attorney in 1940s B detective movie led me to add more sources in order to buttress the evidence showing that occupational health psychology is related to health psychology. Please don't take that inquisitorial tone with me. I don't take such a tone with you. Iss246 ( talk) 20:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
This definition locates OHP at the interface between occupational health and psychology. Cox and colleagues suggest that the areas of psychology that might be applied in addressing occupational health issues include health psychology, work and organizational psychology, and social and environmental psychology"Do either of the other two sources have more specific wording that connects OHP as being considered part of the field of health psychology, any more closely than in the way any field of psychology is necessarily related to the others? Schazjmd (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
The Oxford reference does not say "....four different divisions within health psychology and one related field, occupational health psychology (OHP) have developed over time". None of the 4 sources currently in the article say that or close to that. If sources do not back up the text they should be immediately removed I was reading in Wiki rules today. Iss246 do you or WhatamIdoing have any reference at all which combines both fields in the same sentence or even same paragraph of a source without patching the two sources together and synthesizing them creating original research. There are many related areas to health psych. Why are you creating original research? I am a Health psych myself and I have never heard of this other supposed related field. Psyballed ( talk) 00:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add Optimism#Associations_with_health under the See Also section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonahloci ( talk • contribs) 19:26, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Not done Sorry,
Jonahloci, this article makes no mention of "optimism", and the see-also would be only be a tangential relationship. I also removed the section-see-also in
Optimism that pointed to this article; a reader wanting to know more about optimism and health would not be well served being brought to this article.
Schazjmd
(talk)
00:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)