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Recent copy edit was by me, forgetting to sign in. Work yet to be done on 'Monet background', for I don't believe choice of subject was unimportant. Quite the contrary, writers have noted the nationalistic choices of subjects, upon which Monet focused his studies of light. JNW 20:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
According to his friend Gustave Geffroy and subsequent writers, the Impressionists gave great and profound thought to their choice of subject matter, and continue to be misperceived as possessing a camera-like objectivity. So, I have deleted the passage on this issue, which I don't think is a true description. Similarly, there is conflicting opinion as to the process of the serial paintings, with much of the confusion caused by Monet's conflicting descriptions of his working methods. What is known is that he often finished his paintings not on site, but in the studio. JNW 22:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Last deleted image was of a painting not actually by Monet, nor does the website it came from claim it as an original; it plainly states that its images are other painters' copies of the masters' works. More evidence that we editors must beware when we go to external links, esp. spam. JNW 22:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
This article lacks a proper lead (summarizing the contents of the article), has a cleanup tag, and lacks citations in the "Thematic Issues" section. As such, it has not reached GA status. Please feel free to resubmit when these issues have been dealt with. MLilburne 19:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This article fails the GA because of criteria 2, referencing. I have problems with the Thematic Issues section, which has a number of unreferenced statement (even an unreferenced quote). I think it's broad in its coverage and understandable, but it needs better referencing. Dooms Day349 23:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
"Further complicating matters, the light of subsequent sunrises, for example, could alter substantially, and would require separate canvases within the series. Subsequently, different hues are evident in each painting, and in each work color is used to describe not only direct but reflected light. At differing times of day and in various seasons haystacks absorb the light from diverse parts of the color spectrum. As a result, the residual light that is reflected off of the haystacks is seen as ever-changing, and manifests in distinctive coloring.
Many notable painters have been influenced by this particular series including Fauves, Derain and Vlaminck. Kandinsky's memoirs refer to the series: “What suddenly became clear to me was the unsuspected power of the palette, which I had not understood before and which surpassed my wildest dreams".
The entire first paragraph could do with an inline or two, and definitely the quote needs sourcing.
Furthermore:
"The series demonstrates his intense study of light and atmospheric conditions; Monet destroyed more than one series of paintings that he found wanting."
Also needs sourcing.
Hope that helps, and I'll respond to any further inquiries! Dooms Day349 00:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
08:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC) Tolesi ( talk)==The nature of a Haystack== "whose primary subjects are stacks of grain. The title refers primarily to a twenty-five canvas series (Wildenstein Index Number 1266-1290) begun in the summer of 1890, using that year's grain harvest. "
Above is a quotation from the intro to this article. The problem is that a haystack isn't grain. Turning one's grain harvest into a haystack would be a most terrible waste.
A haystack is made of some type of grass grown especially as winter feed for livestock. It does have seeds in it, but not grain.
Grain is wheat, oats, barley etc and it is stripped or threshed off it's stalks. Traditionally it was cut, bound into bundles and stooked (stood on end until the cart came through the field to transport it). If harvested by machine, the grain is threshed automatically and poured into sacks, leaving the stalks or straw behind.
The straw that's left over from the grain is not very nutritious as winter stockfood, but is used for animal bedding and roof thatching and as a food supplement. A mixed farm that had a number of animals would probably have stacks of hay (grass fodder) as well as stacks of straw. -- Amandajm 14:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe you, and am acquiring some education in the process. Many of the paintings are already titled 'grainstacks' or 'wheatstacks', so the terminologies have gained common currency. Alas, I fear I will have to do more reading. JNW 18:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
..... but the C.O. D [& Websters] both correctly say that a haystack is a stack of hay - and not of wheat: these Monet's are wheatstacks [for bread] and NOT haystacks [for animal fodder]. Tolesi ( talk) 08:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
The issue wasn't not enough room but that the wheat-grains had to be dried for some months before being threshed. These 'wheat stacks' were, therefore, driers. They were [almost] never thatched with hay but with wheat-straw, a much better thatching-material than soggy hay. Tolesi ( talk) 08:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
... and see http://thatchinginfo.com/thatching-ricks-stacks-in-britain/ - in Britain but the same in Northern France 81.154.161.233 ( talk) 18:32, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Thus is the origin of oatmeal?
JNW
21:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Oats were an alternative grain-crop to wheat or barley but you can't make leavened bread from oats - yeast doesn't work with oats. Oats were used to make oatcakes and other unleavened 'breads' and [famously in Scotland] porridge.
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To clarify these ’Haystack’ confusions, French Wikipedia's version of this article, 'Les Meules' ['The Stacks'], is completely clear and accurate - as opposed to the mistranslations, confusions [and confused edits] in the English version here. Monet's stacks in his 'Les Meules' series aren't of hay [an animal food] but of wheat [for bread, the French staple] and aren't ever called 'Haystacks' in French, just ’Stacks’. To add to the English-translation confusions, Monet DID also paint the local 'Haystacks' that he specifically titled 'Meules de Foin' - 'foin' being hay [and often called hay-ricks in British English - try hayricks in Google images to see the difference]. These were much smaller and simpler piles of hay [for cattle, sheep and goats in winter], not in any way composed of wheat-sheafs [for bread]. For his stacks of hay ['Meules de Foin'] paintings see, for instance, Monet's W900/1/2, W993/4/5, W1073/W1074, W1245/6/7/8, W1362/4.
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Hi, I failed this GA nomination mainly on the grounds of grammar and slight under-citation. The whole article's grammar needs tightening up - there are some abiguous sentences and some clumsy wording, some of which I have pointed out below. I also feel several statements really need citation, again this is pointed out below:
Many thanks - PocklingtonDan ( talk) 09:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
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Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — VanTucky Talk 22:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Several times the article makes reference to Daniel Wildenstein's index. This needs to either be internally disambiguated or referenced in some way, as it is not a good idea to assume that any reader will have a clue what this is about. She also fact tagged a sentence, which without an RS, reads like OR. The first section, Monet background, has no transition and is jarring. Merging the general background section and the Monet one might help. The sentence, "However, some include several additional paintings in when referencing this series." is very confused in grammar. I take this to mean that there are multiple lists of the particular paintings in the series which don't always agree. The article says that he was paid 1,000 francs for a painting. We need some kind of reference to modern currency here (i.e. translated to current value w/inflation), bc 1,000 of anything is a pile of beans for art. VanTucky Talk 22:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I think you should return to the four x four format, with slightly larger images. I notice that you eliminated a few images and the six in a row seems odd now. I added a few minor edits. Good luck. Modernist 20:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for working so hard everyone, especially Tony. Congratulations! VanTucky Talk 00:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
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Recent copy edit was by me, forgetting to sign in. Work yet to be done on 'Monet background', for I don't believe choice of subject was unimportant. Quite the contrary, writers have noted the nationalistic choices of subjects, upon which Monet focused his studies of light. JNW 20:23, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
According to his friend Gustave Geffroy and subsequent writers, the Impressionists gave great and profound thought to their choice of subject matter, and continue to be misperceived as possessing a camera-like objectivity. So, I have deleted the passage on this issue, which I don't think is a true description. Similarly, there is conflicting opinion as to the process of the serial paintings, with much of the confusion caused by Monet's conflicting descriptions of his working methods. What is known is that he often finished his paintings not on site, but in the studio. JNW 22:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Last deleted image was of a painting not actually by Monet, nor does the website it came from claim it as an original; it plainly states that its images are other painters' copies of the masters' works. More evidence that we editors must beware when we go to external links, esp. spam. JNW 22:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
This article lacks a proper lead (summarizing the contents of the article), has a cleanup tag, and lacks citations in the "Thematic Issues" section. As such, it has not reached GA status. Please feel free to resubmit when these issues have been dealt with. MLilburne 19:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
This article fails the GA because of criteria 2, referencing. I have problems with the Thematic Issues section, which has a number of unreferenced statement (even an unreferenced quote). I think it's broad in its coverage and understandable, but it needs better referencing. Dooms Day349 23:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
"Further complicating matters, the light of subsequent sunrises, for example, could alter substantially, and would require separate canvases within the series. Subsequently, different hues are evident in each painting, and in each work color is used to describe not only direct but reflected light. At differing times of day and in various seasons haystacks absorb the light from diverse parts of the color spectrum. As a result, the residual light that is reflected off of the haystacks is seen as ever-changing, and manifests in distinctive coloring.
Many notable painters have been influenced by this particular series including Fauves, Derain and Vlaminck. Kandinsky's memoirs refer to the series: “What suddenly became clear to me was the unsuspected power of the palette, which I had not understood before and which surpassed my wildest dreams".
The entire first paragraph could do with an inline or two, and definitely the quote needs sourcing.
Furthermore:
"The series demonstrates his intense study of light and atmospheric conditions; Monet destroyed more than one series of paintings that he found wanting."
Also needs sourcing.
Hope that helps, and I'll respond to any further inquiries! Dooms Day349 00:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
08:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC) Tolesi ( talk)==The nature of a Haystack== "whose primary subjects are stacks of grain. The title refers primarily to a twenty-five canvas series (Wildenstein Index Number 1266-1290) begun in the summer of 1890, using that year's grain harvest. "
Above is a quotation from the intro to this article. The problem is that a haystack isn't grain. Turning one's grain harvest into a haystack would be a most terrible waste.
A haystack is made of some type of grass grown especially as winter feed for livestock. It does have seeds in it, but not grain.
Grain is wheat, oats, barley etc and it is stripped or threshed off it's stalks. Traditionally it was cut, bound into bundles and stooked (stood on end until the cart came through the field to transport it). If harvested by machine, the grain is threshed automatically and poured into sacks, leaving the stalks or straw behind.
The straw that's left over from the grain is not very nutritious as winter stockfood, but is used for animal bedding and roof thatching and as a food supplement. A mixed farm that had a number of animals would probably have stacks of hay (grass fodder) as well as stacks of straw. -- Amandajm 14:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe you, and am acquiring some education in the process. Many of the paintings are already titled 'grainstacks' or 'wheatstacks', so the terminologies have gained common currency. Alas, I fear I will have to do more reading. JNW 18:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
..... but the C.O. D [& Websters] both correctly say that a haystack is a stack of hay - and not of wheat: these Monet's are wheatstacks [for bread] and NOT haystacks [for animal fodder]. Tolesi ( talk) 08:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
The issue wasn't not enough room but that the wheat-grains had to be dried for some months before being threshed. These 'wheat stacks' were, therefore, driers. They were [almost] never thatched with hay but with wheat-straw, a much better thatching-material than soggy hay. Tolesi ( talk) 08:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
... and see http://thatchinginfo.com/thatching-ricks-stacks-in-britain/ - in Britain but the same in Northern France 81.154.161.233 ( talk) 18:32, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Thus is the origin of oatmeal?
JNW
21:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Oats were an alternative grain-crop to wheat or barley but you can't make leavened bread from oats - yeast doesn't work with oats. Oats were used to make oatcakes and other unleavened 'breads' and [famously in Scotland] porridge.
Tolesi (
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08:46, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
To clarify these ’Haystack’ confusions, French Wikipedia's version of this article, 'Les Meules' ['The Stacks'], is completely clear and accurate - as opposed to the mistranslations, confusions [and confused edits] in the English version here. Monet's stacks in his 'Les Meules' series aren't of hay [an animal food] but of wheat [for bread, the French staple] and aren't ever called 'Haystacks' in French, just ’Stacks’. To add to the English-translation confusions, Monet DID also paint the local 'Haystacks' that he specifically titled 'Meules de Foin' - 'foin' being hay [and often called hay-ricks in British English - try hayricks in Google images to see the difference]. These were much smaller and simpler piles of hay [for cattle, sheep and goats in winter], not in any way composed of wheat-sheafs [for bread]. For his stacks of hay ['Meules de Foin'] paintings see, for instance, Monet's W900/1/2, W993/4/5, W1073/W1074, W1245/6/7/8, W1362/4.
Tolesi (
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08:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I failed this GA nomination mainly on the grounds of grammar and slight under-citation. The whole article's grammar needs tightening up - there are some abiguous sentences and some clumsy wording, some of which I have pointed out below. I also feel several statements really need citation, again this is pointed out below:
Many thanks - PocklingtonDan ( talk) 09:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of October 7, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — VanTucky Talk 22:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Several times the article makes reference to Daniel Wildenstein's index. This needs to either be internally disambiguated or referenced in some way, as it is not a good idea to assume that any reader will have a clue what this is about. She also fact tagged a sentence, which without an RS, reads like OR. The first section, Monet background, has no transition and is jarring. Merging the general background section and the Monet one might help. The sentence, "However, some include several additional paintings in when referencing this series." is very confused in grammar. I take this to mean that there are multiple lists of the particular paintings in the series which don't always agree. The article says that he was paid 1,000 francs for a painting. We need some kind of reference to modern currency here (i.e. translated to current value w/inflation), bc 1,000 of anything is a pile of beans for art. VanTucky Talk 22:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I think you should return to the four x four format, with slightly larger images. I notice that you eliminated a few images and the six in a row seems odd now. I added a few minor edits. Good luck. Modernist 20:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for working so hard everyone, especially Tony. Congratulations! VanTucky Talk 00:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
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