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Islami, justify this please. -- Striver 08:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The English name and the Arabic name do not match. Where is al-Hanafiyyah in the Arabic? Someone who has access to original source materials should clear this up. The article has other problems - why is this individual notable in history? Wikipedia is not a collection of genealogical trivia. Unless some clear explanation is provided, and soon, I will nominate this article for deletion. It could of course be reincluded later if anyone provides enough backing for an article. I note that there is no entry for this individual in the Arabic-language Wikipedia. Cbdorsett 08:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
He is very notable because: (1) he is the purported (and most likely) author of Kitabh Al-Irjaa', the first written work on theology in Islam, (2) he is regarded as the founder of the Murji'ah school of Islam which was very influential in early Islamic history, (3) his Kitab provides the earliest testament to the existence of the followers of Abdullah ibn Saba', who many Sunnis allege to be the founder of Shi'ism, (4) his Kitab is also one of the earliest written records of the rejection of Abu Bakr and Umar's caliphates (all this according to Encyclopedia of Islam). Slacker 05:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I definitely don't believe every hadith narrator is notable enough to be included in English Wikipedia, I just think this particular one is. Slacker 05:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The article says Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah died 100 AH. This means that he died roughly between 720 and 725 AD/CE. The use of AH is allowed "as long as you also give the date in either the Julian or Gregorian calendar" (per WP:MOSNUM). Does anyone know the year of death of Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah in either the Julian or Gregorian calendar? A ecis Brievenbus 10:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
There are online converters that you can find through Google. The problem is that I'm not sure there's an agreed upon date. I've seen 95 AH elsewhere for example, and Encyclopedia of Islam only gives a rough estimation. Slacker 10:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
الستة الحسن بن محمد بن علي بن أبي طالب الهاشمي أبو محمد المدني وأبوه يعرف بابن الحنفية Maybe i am mistaken, but as far as i can see, it means: Al-Sattah Alhassan bin Mohammad bin Ali bin Abi Talib Al-Hashimi Abu Muhammad Al-Madini and his father is known to be Ibn al-Hanafiya. Hamid-Masri 14:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Passage in Arabic. - Yupik 19:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Cbdorsett 14:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If we summarize it, we have three different translations aviable:
It is true that this is nothing but a mention of his name. The two questions is: Which translation is more correct? And: Should it be included in the article at all? Hamid-Masri 10:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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Islami, justify this please. -- Striver 08:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The English name and the Arabic name do not match. Where is al-Hanafiyyah in the Arabic? Someone who has access to original source materials should clear this up. The article has other problems - why is this individual notable in history? Wikipedia is not a collection of genealogical trivia. Unless some clear explanation is provided, and soon, I will nominate this article for deletion. It could of course be reincluded later if anyone provides enough backing for an article. I note that there is no entry for this individual in the Arabic-language Wikipedia. Cbdorsett 08:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
He is very notable because: (1) he is the purported (and most likely) author of Kitabh Al-Irjaa', the first written work on theology in Islam, (2) he is regarded as the founder of the Murji'ah school of Islam which was very influential in early Islamic history, (3) his Kitab provides the earliest testament to the existence of the followers of Abdullah ibn Saba', who many Sunnis allege to be the founder of Shi'ism, (4) his Kitab is also one of the earliest written records of the rejection of Abu Bakr and Umar's caliphates (all this according to Encyclopedia of Islam). Slacker 05:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I definitely don't believe every hadith narrator is notable enough to be included in English Wikipedia, I just think this particular one is. Slacker 05:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The article says Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah died 100 AH. This means that he died roughly between 720 and 725 AD/CE. The use of AH is allowed "as long as you also give the date in either the Julian or Gregorian calendar" (per WP:MOSNUM). Does anyone know the year of death of Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah in either the Julian or Gregorian calendar? A ecis Brievenbus 10:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
There are online converters that you can find through Google. The problem is that I'm not sure there's an agreed upon date. I've seen 95 AH elsewhere for example, and Encyclopedia of Islam only gives a rough estimation. Slacker 10:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
الستة الحسن بن محمد بن علي بن أبي طالب الهاشمي أبو محمد المدني وأبوه يعرف بابن الحنفية Maybe i am mistaken, but as far as i can see, it means: Al-Sattah Alhassan bin Mohammad bin Ali bin Abi Talib Al-Hashimi Abu Muhammad Al-Madini and his father is known to be Ibn al-Hanafiya. Hamid-Masri 14:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Passage in Arabic. - Yupik 19:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Cbdorsett 14:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If we summarize it, we have three different translations aviable:
It is true that this is nothing but a mention of his name. The two questions is: Which translation is more correct? And: Should it be included in the article at all? Hamid-Masri 10:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)