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![]() | On 3 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hart Island (Bronx) to Hart Island. The result of the discussion was moved. |
I strongly disagree with the move of this to the comma form. Hart Island is not a city, or any kind of municipality. It is a geographical feature, and in such cases, I am strongly in favor of the parentheses disambiguation over the comma. If a comma is to be used, it should be Hart Island, Bronx, as a neighborhood in List of Bronx neighborhoods. Using the comma with the state New York puts it into the false representation as a census-designated place in the United States, which it is not. -- Decumanus 17:41, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
Hi!, I'll leave all the punctuation up to you. It is an island in Bronx County. Supercool Dude—Preceding unsigned comment added by Supercool Dude ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 27 December 2004 (UTC)
I remember watching a short documentary film about a small island in NYC where prisoners bury stillborn infants. I assume it was Hart Island. But is the island a potter's field in general, or is it specifically for infants? (Sorry for the morbid subject matter) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
The article says about 100 prisoners are still held on the island, but at least one source says all prisoners were removed to Rikers in 1991. The Corrections website also makes no reference to a current facility on the island. Can anyone confirm this from a source? -- Dhartung | Talk 20:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
The article talks about a certain "Mrs. Hart" donating the land to New York City. I have a published source which says the land was purchased from the Hunter family, as I have now put forth in the article. Therefore I have edited the article to note that the Mrs. Hart claim is just an urban legend. If there is any published source which supports the Mrs. Hart claim, then I will be happy to remove the urban legend description. Otherwise, the information is suspect. Who seriously trusts local legends? Galanskov 07:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Was a prisoner of war camp established on Hart Island in 1863? Jim.henderson 16:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
In the article's cemetery section, there are two different references to how people are buried: "Inmates stack the pine coffins in two rows, three high and 25 across", and "Adults are placed in cardboard cartons costing $54, and are stacked three coffins high and two coffins across" - quite the difference. Which is it? The source is a NY times article that is not reachable. Ouze 11:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Please, could someone check the Cemetery section of the article. I noticed that there are information twice in different places. The dublication doesn't bring any additional information but structure should be checked.-- Hannu ( talk) 14:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
This section is also somewhat disjoint and rambling, with different topics covered in one paragraph and as noted by Hannu above, repetition across multiple paragraphs. A fairly extensive re-write seems to be called for. ChrisB600 ( talk) 20:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I read this article from England (am British resident). However, I can't help but question the last line about 'famous screenwriter Chris Weller' being buried here as I have not found any wiki articles that could be him (the Chris Wellers are all listed living, none screenwriters). Googling has turned up a few North American pages with mentions of a Chris Weller in film industry that are as recent as 2010. I suspect a hoax, unless someone can produce a citation that dates his death. Cloptonson ( talk) 18:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Texkayaker inserted the following comment in the article:
I moved it here because this kind of commentary does not belong in articles, but it appears to indicate a possible error in the article. -- Orlady ( talk) 23:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I took these links out of the article. epicgenius ( talk) 22:22, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand this "original research" rule. Wikipedia has literally hundreds of thousands of references to scientific research papers that are undoubtedly primary sources. In fact, the Wikipedia policy states, "a scientific paper documenting a new experiment conducted by the author is a primary source on the outcome of that experiment." But nonetheless there are plenty of references to such papers. So why is it that on any non-scientific topic, the worst gossip website is acceptable, being a secondary source, but a reference to a novel or other primary source is not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wombatjpw ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
I'd ask editors to consider reframing the COVID-19 section in light of more current and better reporting by the New York Times, New Yorker, etc (early reporting was often in tabloids). Only unclaimed bodies are being buried on Hart island, as usual, regardless of cause of death—it is not a temporary holding ground for COVID-19 burials in specific. Furthermore, while the term "mass grave" is frequently used it may be misleading, since it denotes graves without coffins or a way to retrieve the bodies later. Hart burials include numbered coffins that can be retrieved if families later request it, free of charge. (I have no connection with the NYC government, I am just a writer and researcher interested in Hart.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriellemeroe ( talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: Moved.( closed by non-admin page mover) Sennecaster ( Chat) 01:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
– Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; gets almost all the pageviews amongst all the Hart Islands that exist on Wikipedia and is the most notable by a wide margin. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 13:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | On 3 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hart Island (Bronx) to Hart Island. The result of the discussion was moved. |
I strongly disagree with the move of this to the comma form. Hart Island is not a city, or any kind of municipality. It is a geographical feature, and in such cases, I am strongly in favor of the parentheses disambiguation over the comma. If a comma is to be used, it should be Hart Island, Bronx, as a neighborhood in List of Bronx neighborhoods. Using the comma with the state New York puts it into the false representation as a census-designated place in the United States, which it is not. -- Decumanus 17:41, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)
Hi!, I'll leave all the punctuation up to you. It is an island in Bronx County. Supercool Dude—Preceding unsigned comment added by Supercool Dude ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 27 December 2004 (UTC)
I remember watching a short documentary film about a small island in NYC where prisoners bury stillborn infants. I assume it was Hart Island. But is the island a potter's field in general, or is it specifically for infants? (Sorry for the morbid subject matter) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:52, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
The article says about 100 prisoners are still held on the island, but at least one source says all prisoners were removed to Rikers in 1991. The Corrections website also makes no reference to a current facility on the island. Can anyone confirm this from a source? -- Dhartung | Talk 20:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
The article talks about a certain "Mrs. Hart" donating the land to New York City. I have a published source which says the land was purchased from the Hunter family, as I have now put forth in the article. Therefore I have edited the article to note that the Mrs. Hart claim is just an urban legend. If there is any published source which supports the Mrs. Hart claim, then I will be happy to remove the urban legend description. Otherwise, the information is suspect. Who seriously trusts local legends? Galanskov 07:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Was a prisoner of war camp established on Hart Island in 1863? Jim.henderson 16:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
In the article's cemetery section, there are two different references to how people are buried: "Inmates stack the pine coffins in two rows, three high and 25 across", and "Adults are placed in cardboard cartons costing $54, and are stacked three coffins high and two coffins across" - quite the difference. Which is it? The source is a NY times article that is not reachable. Ouze 11:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Please, could someone check the Cemetery section of the article. I noticed that there are information twice in different places. The dublication doesn't bring any additional information but structure should be checked.-- Hannu ( talk) 14:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
This section is also somewhat disjoint and rambling, with different topics covered in one paragraph and as noted by Hannu above, repetition across multiple paragraphs. A fairly extensive re-write seems to be called for. ChrisB600 ( talk) 20:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I read this article from England (am British resident). However, I can't help but question the last line about 'famous screenwriter Chris Weller' being buried here as I have not found any wiki articles that could be him (the Chris Wellers are all listed living, none screenwriters). Googling has turned up a few North American pages with mentions of a Chris Weller in film industry that are as recent as 2010. I suspect a hoax, unless someone can produce a citation that dates his death. Cloptonson ( talk) 18:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
User:Texkayaker inserted the following comment in the article:
I moved it here because this kind of commentary does not belong in articles, but it appears to indicate a possible error in the article. -- Orlady ( talk) 23:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
I took these links out of the article. epicgenius ( talk) 22:22, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand this "original research" rule. Wikipedia has literally hundreds of thousands of references to scientific research papers that are undoubtedly primary sources. In fact, the Wikipedia policy states, "a scientific paper documenting a new experiment conducted by the author is a primary source on the outcome of that experiment." But nonetheless there are plenty of references to such papers. So why is it that on any non-scientific topic, the worst gossip website is acceptable, being a secondary source, but a reference to a novel or other primary source is not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wombatjpw ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
I'd ask editors to consider reframing the COVID-19 section in light of more current and better reporting by the New York Times, New Yorker, etc (early reporting was often in tabloids). Only unclaimed bodies are being buried on Hart island, as usual, regardless of cause of death—it is not a temporary holding ground for COVID-19 burials in specific. Furthermore, while the term "mass grave" is frequently used it may be misleading, since it denotes graves without coffins or a way to retrieve the bodies later. Hart burials include numbered coffins that can be retrieved if families later request it, free of charge. (I have no connection with the NYC government, I am just a writer and researcher interested in Hart.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriellemeroe ( talk • contribs)
The result of the move request was: Moved.( closed by non-admin page mover) Sennecaster ( Chat) 01:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
– Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; gets almost all the pageviews amongst all the Hart Islands that exist on Wikipedia and is the most notable by a wide margin. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 13:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)