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Reviewer: MjolnirPants ( talk · contribs) 16:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I only have three comments, really.
In the meantime I'm gonna have to ask you to overlook their lack based on [7]Yeah, the last point was more of a personal preference (I've never thought images to be necessary to make a good article in most cases, but they help). Knowing that some are coming eventually satisfies me, and everything else looks awesome. I'm happy with the way the article looks now, and I'll update the talk template. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
it's good to know that your perverted mind can still be used for good as well as evil.You only say that because you don't realize I'm playing the long game. MUAH HA HA HA HA !!! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:10, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
Google image search turned up this image from this page... — David Eppstein ( talk) 22:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Because it's the only bit so far that even approaches controversy, I'm asking my esteemed fellow editors to review the following proposed additional text. I'll be happy to supply the relevant passages from the two offline sources (Lewis, Bradley) if desired. Before anyone asks, I spent a lot of time reviewing sources before settling on the word peremptorily – sources (and there are plenty of them) all emphasize that the removal was sudden, unexpected, and unilateral.
As dean, Lewis emphasized the importance of extracurricular activities; his annual advice to incoming freshmen urged that "flexibility in your schedule, unstructured time in your day, and evenings spent with your friends rather than your books are all, in a larger sense, essential for your education." [1] [L06]: 86–90 By 2003 this and other disagreements had brought him into increasing conflict with Harvard's new president, Lawrence Summers, who had characterized Harvard College as an insufficiently intellectual "Camp Harvard". A month after issuing what The Harvard Crimson called "a scathing indictment of the view that increasing intellectual rigor ought to be the [College's] priority" – pointing out, for example, that prospective employers show less interest in grades than in personal qualities built outside the classroom – Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean.[2] [3] [4]
Pinging Hertz1888, Tryptofish, FourViolas, ElKevbo, David Eppstein. E Eng 18:28, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
After the 2001 inauguration of Harvard's new president, Lawrence Summers, Lewis and Summers came into conflict over the direction of the College and its educational philosophy. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Lewis, for example, emphasized the importance of extracurricular pursuits, advising incoming freshmen that "flexibility in your schedule, unstructured time in your day, and evenings spent with your friends rather than your books are all, in a larger sense, essential for your education", while Summers, complaining of an insufficiently intellectual "Camp Harvard", told students: "You are here to work, and your business here is to learn." [8] [L06]: 86–90 [9] In March 2003, soon after issuing what The Harvard Crimson called "a scathing indictment of the view that increasing intellectual rigor ought to be the [College's] priority" – pointing out that prospective employers show less interest in grades than in personal qualities built outside the classroom [5] – Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean. [5] [10] [11] [2] [L06]: 86–90
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Now stand by while I formulate what to say about "passive voice". E Eng 00:56, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
OK, here's the thing: Summers denied having anything to do with Lewis' ouster, but absolutely everyone knew he was behind it and (except for the official announcements) said so:
He was unceremoniously elbowed aside by Dean of the Faculty William C. Kirby and, many say, University President Lawrence H. Summers.
Kirby and University President Lawrence H. Summers initiated the move to displace Lewis
As Lewis’ direct superior, Kirby was the one to fire Lewis, but Assistant Dean of the College Karen E. Avery '87 echoes several administrators' sentiments by likening Kirby to Summers' puppet—and saying the firing was a product of Summers’ behind-the-scenes maneuvering.
With [the appointment Benedict Gross, a friend of Summers', as the new dean of the College] Summers had not only an FAS dean [i.e. Kirby] who was under his thumb, but also a friend who was about to become the second most powerful person in FAS [i.e. Gross as the new dean of the College]. And then Summers wouldn't have to worry about Harry Lewis anymore.For those who knew of Summers' record in Washington, the incident felt like deja vu. In 1999 Treasury Secretary Larry Summers has apparently engineered the ouster of dissenting economist Joseph Stiglitz from the World Bank, but so skilfully that his fingerprints could never be found. Now it appeared that history had repeated itself. Summers wanted Lewis gone, but he would never admit it and would never take responsibility for it.
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Nor did anyone believe Kirby's claim that he was acting of his own volition. A Crimson cartoon showed Summers as a puppeteer, pulling strings attached to Bill Kirby as Kirby gave Harry Lewis a kick in the pants. Kirby and Summers, meanwhile, were said to be furious that Lewis would not deny that he had been "forced out"...
Harry Lewis, a computer science professor at Harvard since 1974 who had been pushed out as dean of Harvard College by Summers...
The only other things I found – I encourage my esteemed fellow editors to make a search of their own in case I missed something – are ambiguous statements like Lewis "stepped down" or "ended his service". No source I found (other than Summers' and Kirby's own statements) that addresses the question of Summers' possible involvement asserts that it wasn't Summers' decision.
My uncertainty was how to express all this. At the time I opened this thread I hadn't marshaled all the above sources so I took the coward's way out with the passive voice. So what do we say?
I think Kirby is deadweight i.e. I don't think it helps the reader to explain Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean by his superior, Faculty of Arts and Sciences Dean William C. Kirby, though [something something Summers was behind it something]
Given the sources, I believe we're justified in simply saying either
Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean at Summers' behest.
or maybe (but not my preference)
Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean at Summers' behest (though Summers denied any involvement).
I really don't want to get into more explanations and he said/she said because I think that will sound like a boring conspiracy theory or RIGHTGREATWRONGSish. Of the two above, I prefer the first. Thoughts, please? Again pinging Hertz1888, Tryptofish, FourViolas, ElKevbo, David Eppstein. E Eng 22:15, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
You expect Lewis's villain to be Lawrence Summers, who forced him out after tussles over internationalization, grade inflation, and curricular balance(And lest you think the review got this idea from the book he's reviewing, he doesn't -- Excellence doesn't talk about Lewis' removal, as far as I recall and as far as I can find now.)
Harry Lewis, for instance, former dean of Harvard College (he was fired by Lawrence Summers)E Eng 23:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean, period, as in V2 above) but omission of the conflict and the peremptory firing (which all we editors have agreed should be includee) would glaring. E Eng 03:48, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I think it's worth including. And your detailed explanation excuses the passive voice — we don't really have clear enough evidence for Summers' hand and who cares who else actually took the fall for it. There's a different, more minor issue of passivity that I think could use better wordsmithing, though: "soon after issuing" comes quite far before its subject, making it take more effort than it should to figure out that Lewis was the issuer. — David Eppstein ( talk) 04:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Per David Eppstein's comment, a slight rewrite of the last sentence (no change in meaning). This still leaves the question of whether ElKevbo and Tryptofish can get on board with the no-actor passive, and where in the world are Hertz1888 and FourViolas? E Eng 05:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
After the 2001 inauguration of Harvard's new president, Lawrence Summers, Lewis and Summers came into conflict over the direction of the College and its educational philosophy. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Lewis, for example, emphasized the importance of extracurricular pursuits, advising incoming freshmen that "flexibility in your schedule, unstructured time in your day, and evenings spent with your friends rather than your books are all, in a larger sense, essential for your education", while Summers complained of an insufficiently intellectual "Camp Harvard" and told students: "You are here to work, and your business here is to learn." [8] [L06]: 86–90 [9] After Lewis issued what The Harvard Crimson called "a scathing indictment of the view that increasing intellectual rigor ought to be the [College's] priority" – pointing out that prospective employers show less interest in grades than in personal qualities built outside the classroom [5] – he was peremptorily removed as dean in March 2003. [5] [10] [11] [2] [L06]: 86–90
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We are told that Lewis plans to retire in 2020. This might be true, but Wikipedia does not refer to the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.102.132 ( talk) 10:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
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Reviewer: MjolnirPants ( talk · contribs) 16:21, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I only have three comments, really.
In the meantime I'm gonna have to ask you to overlook their lack based on [7]Yeah, the last point was more of a personal preference (I've never thought images to be necessary to make a good article in most cases, but they help). Knowing that some are coming eventually satisfies me, and everything else looks awesome. I'm happy with the way the article looks now, and I'll update the talk template. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
it's good to know that your perverted mind can still be used for good as well as evil.You only say that because you don't realize I'm playing the long game. MUAH HA HA HA HA !!! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:10, April 1, 2017 (UTC)
Google image search turned up this image from this page... — David Eppstein ( talk) 22:33, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Because it's the only bit so far that even approaches controversy, I'm asking my esteemed fellow editors to review the following proposed additional text. I'll be happy to supply the relevant passages from the two offline sources (Lewis, Bradley) if desired. Before anyone asks, I spent a lot of time reviewing sources before settling on the word peremptorily – sources (and there are plenty of them) all emphasize that the removal was sudden, unexpected, and unilateral.
As dean, Lewis emphasized the importance of extracurricular activities; his annual advice to incoming freshmen urged that "flexibility in your schedule, unstructured time in your day, and evenings spent with your friends rather than your books are all, in a larger sense, essential for your education." [1] [L06]: 86–90 By 2003 this and other disagreements had brought him into increasing conflict with Harvard's new president, Lawrence Summers, who had characterized Harvard College as an insufficiently intellectual "Camp Harvard". A month after issuing what The Harvard Crimson called "a scathing indictment of the view that increasing intellectual rigor ought to be the [College's] priority" – pointing out, for example, that prospective employers show less interest in grades than in personal qualities built outside the classroom – Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean.[2] [3] [4]
Pinging Hertz1888, Tryptofish, FourViolas, ElKevbo, David Eppstein. E Eng 18:28, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
After the 2001 inauguration of Harvard's new president, Lawrence Summers, Lewis and Summers came into conflict over the direction of the College and its educational philosophy. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Lewis, for example, emphasized the importance of extracurricular pursuits, advising incoming freshmen that "flexibility in your schedule, unstructured time in your day, and evenings spent with your friends rather than your books are all, in a larger sense, essential for your education", while Summers, complaining of an insufficiently intellectual "Camp Harvard", told students: "You are here to work, and your business here is to learn." [8] [L06]: 86–90 [9] In March 2003, soon after issuing what The Harvard Crimson called "a scathing indictment of the view that increasing intellectual rigor ought to be the [College's] priority" – pointing out that prospective employers show less interest in grades than in personal qualities built outside the classroom [5] – Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean. [5] [10] [11] [2] [L06]: 86–90
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Now stand by while I formulate what to say about "passive voice". E Eng 00:56, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
OK, here's the thing: Summers denied having anything to do with Lewis' ouster, but absolutely everyone knew he was behind it and (except for the official announcements) said so:
He was unceremoniously elbowed aside by Dean of the Faculty William C. Kirby and, many say, University President Lawrence H. Summers.
Kirby and University President Lawrence H. Summers initiated the move to displace Lewis
As Lewis’ direct superior, Kirby was the one to fire Lewis, but Assistant Dean of the College Karen E. Avery '87 echoes several administrators' sentiments by likening Kirby to Summers' puppet—and saying the firing was a product of Summers’ behind-the-scenes maneuvering.
With [the appointment Benedict Gross, a friend of Summers', as the new dean of the College] Summers had not only an FAS dean [i.e. Kirby] who was under his thumb, but also a friend who was about to become the second most powerful person in FAS [i.e. Gross as the new dean of the College]. And then Summers wouldn't have to worry about Harry Lewis anymore.For those who knew of Summers' record in Washington, the incident felt like deja vu. In 1999 Treasury Secretary Larry Summers has apparently engineered the ouster of dissenting economist Joseph Stiglitz from the World Bank, but so skilfully that his fingerprints could never be found. Now it appeared that history had repeated itself. Summers wanted Lewis gone, but he would never admit it and would never take responsibility for it.
...
Nor did anyone believe Kirby's claim that he was acting of his own volition. A Crimson cartoon showed Summers as a puppeteer, pulling strings attached to Bill Kirby as Kirby gave Harry Lewis a kick in the pants. Kirby and Summers, meanwhile, were said to be furious that Lewis would not deny that he had been "forced out"...
Harry Lewis, a computer science professor at Harvard since 1974 who had been pushed out as dean of Harvard College by Summers...
The only other things I found – I encourage my esteemed fellow editors to make a search of their own in case I missed something – are ambiguous statements like Lewis "stepped down" or "ended his service". No source I found (other than Summers' and Kirby's own statements) that addresses the question of Summers' possible involvement asserts that it wasn't Summers' decision.
My uncertainty was how to express all this. At the time I opened this thread I hadn't marshaled all the above sources so I took the coward's way out with the passive voice. So what do we say?
I think Kirby is deadweight i.e. I don't think it helps the reader to explain Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean by his superior, Faculty of Arts and Sciences Dean William C. Kirby, though [something something Summers was behind it something]
Given the sources, I believe we're justified in simply saying either
Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean at Summers' behest.
or maybe (but not my preference)
Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean at Summers' behest (though Summers denied any involvement).
I really don't want to get into more explanations and he said/she said because I think that will sound like a boring conspiracy theory or RIGHTGREATWRONGSish. Of the two above, I prefer the first. Thoughts, please? Again pinging Hertz1888, Tryptofish, FourViolas, ElKevbo, David Eppstein. E Eng 22:15, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
You expect Lewis's villain to be Lawrence Summers, who forced him out after tussles over internationalization, grade inflation, and curricular balance(And lest you think the review got this idea from the book he's reviewing, he doesn't -- Excellence doesn't talk about Lewis' removal, as far as I recall and as far as I can find now.)
Harry Lewis, for instance, former dean of Harvard College (he was fired by Lawrence Summers)E Eng 23:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Lewis was peremptorily removed as dean, period, as in V2 above) but omission of the conflict and the peremptory firing (which all we editors have agreed should be includee) would glaring. E Eng 03:48, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I think it's worth including. And your detailed explanation excuses the passive voice — we don't really have clear enough evidence for Summers' hand and who cares who else actually took the fall for it. There's a different, more minor issue of passivity that I think could use better wordsmithing, though: "soon after issuing" comes quite far before its subject, making it take more effort than it should to figure out that Lewis was the issuer. — David Eppstein ( talk) 04:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Per David Eppstein's comment, a slight rewrite of the last sentence (no change in meaning). This still leaves the question of whether ElKevbo and Tryptofish can get on board with the no-actor passive, and where in the world are Hertz1888 and FourViolas? E Eng 05:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
After the 2001 inauguration of Harvard's new president, Lawrence Summers, Lewis and Summers came into conflict over the direction of the College and its educational philosophy. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Lewis, for example, emphasized the importance of extracurricular pursuits, advising incoming freshmen that "flexibility in your schedule, unstructured time in your day, and evenings spent with your friends rather than your books are all, in a larger sense, essential for your education", while Summers complained of an insufficiently intellectual "Camp Harvard" and told students: "You are here to work, and your business here is to learn." [8] [L06]: 86–90 [9] After Lewis issued what The Harvard Crimson called "a scathing indictment of the view that increasing intellectual rigor ought to be the [College's] priority" – pointing out that prospective employers show less interest in grades than in personal qualities built outside the classroom [5] – he was peremptorily removed as dean in March 2003. [5] [10] [11] [2] [L06]: 86–90
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We are told that Lewis plans to retire in 2020. This might be true, but Wikipedia does not refer to the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.102.132 ( talk) 10:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)