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"the last Tommy to fight in the trenches" Western Europe. I have read several items stating William Young is a "Tommy" - What is the differance. Would like to know. Thanks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.188.174 ( talk • contribs)
The article says he was awarded the Hors de combat for awarded for outstanding bravery of servicemen, but the article it links to it not about a decoration but "soldiers who are incapable of performing their military function" does anyone have further information or a reference to clarify this?— Rod talk 21:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
If you Google "Hors de combat medal" or try http://www.awardmedals.com/index.php?cPath=37_36 you will see the medal Harry wears. It was given to him by his God daughter and he does cherish it, but strictly speaking, it is not an "Official" medal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boldlochinvar ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Glad you're happy with the Hors de combat matter. Thanks for putting back the Uni of Bristol section. My mistake.
Old age itself is not a cause of death. Ykral ( talk) 18:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I feel the exact cause is important for statistics and future research, especially when the human lifespan could soon reach 300 years or more and there are several immortality groups doing research. Other factors: there have been older men on the planet, and also this could be age discrimination if he is just written off as "an old man". Ykral ( talk) 00:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Old age is a primary cause of death in the event of no other problems, senescence as some would call it, it does happen and can be the only reason. However, I recall that Mr Patch suffered from an emphysema of some type so in all likelyhood it was related to that. Delving in beyond helps no-one; a subarachnoid hemorrhage can be a cause of death from a cerebal infarction which can be caused by an occipital fracture - what's the real cause of death? Being bludgeoned on the head with a blunt instrument, that's the real cause, and not the deeper mystery. RichyBoy ( talk) 09:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
An editor persists in linking Harry's year of birth. MOS:DOB does not show any dates of birth being linked. MOS:UNLINKYEARS states that years in articles should not be linked unless the link is germaine and topical to the article's subject matter. Take a look at Category:1898 births and you will see that few, if any, have just the year of birth linked.
I do not see how linking the year that Harry Patch was born is in any way relevant to the article. I won't revert the link if it is added again today because I don't want to fall foul of WP:3RR, so would ask the editor who keeps adding the link to refrain from doing so until it is discussed here.
NOTE: There is a side issue to do with date autoformatting and there is a hiatus in place on mass de-linking of autoformatted dates. That has nothing whatsoever to do with this issue. Date autoformatting e.g. 8 August 2009 used to be done on Wikpedia to ensure that dates display according to "my preferences" settings. In the category listed above you will find a number of articles with the full dates linked i.e. autoformatted. That is not is what under discussion here. -- Simple Bob ( talk) 18:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The major world events during his life are already well-represented in the article, nothing in his year of birth seems to particualrly improve understanding, saying he was born in the Victorian era would probably help understanding more than a link to a single yera. David Underdown ( talk) 11:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the song notable enough for its own article? It's by a very notable band, and it has received a fair bit of press coverage.-- IHABihat ( talk) 20:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone suggest which template is best for these images?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Patch_Funeral1.JPG & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Patch_funeral2.JPG
Paulus Gun ( talk) 19:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
The wisdom of Harry Patch.
When he was passed his 100th birthday Harry Patch was engaged by a Mans magazine as an "Agony Uncle" probably on the grounds that by then if he hadn't done it all he'd probably seen most of it.
A reader wrote in to say that "I'm fed up with following my friends to places like Cambodia. Can you suggest a good place for a holiday"?
The answer from Harry Patch was a classic. "I've always liked Weymouth". AT Kunene ( talk) 12:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
My grandfather told me that in the build up towards the Battle of the Somme in 1916, lots of things changed in the military. The best known was the issue of steel helmets for the first time, as the central exchequer had taken over soldiers pay directly rather than via regimental funds a new army paybook was issued. The first specimen copies were filled out with the name "Tommy Atkins". The soldiery started calling themselves "Tommy" as did the Germans.
one definition of "Tommy" would be any soldier who served in WW1 between 1916 and the final peace treaty in 1919. AT Kunene ( talk) 12:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Under both the December 2004 and July 2007 paragraphs, the quotes, "calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings," and, "war isn't worth one life," are attributed to him. Is he known to have said the same thing twice on these occasions, or is one of them incorrect? — Sahjiarah ( talk) 19:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
A couple of things about this article:
I've addressed both of these. Happy to discuss, of course. KJP1 ( talk) 10:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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"the last Tommy to fight in the trenches" Western Europe. I have read several items stating William Young is a "Tommy" - What is the differance. Would like to know. Thanks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.188.174 ( talk • contribs)
The article says he was awarded the Hors de combat for awarded for outstanding bravery of servicemen, but the article it links to it not about a decoration but "soldiers who are incapable of performing their military function" does anyone have further information or a reference to clarify this?— Rod talk 21:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
If you Google "Hors de combat medal" or try http://www.awardmedals.com/index.php?cPath=37_36 you will see the medal Harry wears. It was given to him by his God daughter and he does cherish it, but strictly speaking, it is not an "Official" medal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boldlochinvar ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Glad you're happy with the Hors de combat matter. Thanks for putting back the Uni of Bristol section. My mistake.
Old age itself is not a cause of death. Ykral ( talk) 18:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I feel the exact cause is important for statistics and future research, especially when the human lifespan could soon reach 300 years or more and there are several immortality groups doing research. Other factors: there have been older men on the planet, and also this could be age discrimination if he is just written off as "an old man". Ykral ( talk) 00:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Old age is a primary cause of death in the event of no other problems, senescence as some would call it, it does happen and can be the only reason. However, I recall that Mr Patch suffered from an emphysema of some type so in all likelyhood it was related to that. Delving in beyond helps no-one; a subarachnoid hemorrhage can be a cause of death from a cerebal infarction which can be caused by an occipital fracture - what's the real cause of death? Being bludgeoned on the head with a blunt instrument, that's the real cause, and not the deeper mystery. RichyBoy ( talk) 09:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
An editor persists in linking Harry's year of birth. MOS:DOB does not show any dates of birth being linked. MOS:UNLINKYEARS states that years in articles should not be linked unless the link is germaine and topical to the article's subject matter. Take a look at Category:1898 births and you will see that few, if any, have just the year of birth linked.
I do not see how linking the year that Harry Patch was born is in any way relevant to the article. I won't revert the link if it is added again today because I don't want to fall foul of WP:3RR, so would ask the editor who keeps adding the link to refrain from doing so until it is discussed here.
NOTE: There is a side issue to do with date autoformatting and there is a hiatus in place on mass de-linking of autoformatted dates. That has nothing whatsoever to do with this issue. Date autoformatting e.g. 8 August 2009 used to be done on Wikpedia to ensure that dates display according to "my preferences" settings. In the category listed above you will find a number of articles with the full dates linked i.e. autoformatted. That is not is what under discussion here. -- Simple Bob ( talk) 18:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The major world events during his life are already well-represented in the article, nothing in his year of birth seems to particualrly improve understanding, saying he was born in the Victorian era would probably help understanding more than a link to a single yera. David Underdown ( talk) 11:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Isn't the song notable enough for its own article? It's by a very notable band, and it has received a fair bit of press coverage.-- IHABihat ( talk) 20:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone suggest which template is best for these images?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Patch_Funeral1.JPG & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Patch_funeral2.JPG
Paulus Gun ( talk) 19:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
The wisdom of Harry Patch.
When he was passed his 100th birthday Harry Patch was engaged by a Mans magazine as an "Agony Uncle" probably on the grounds that by then if he hadn't done it all he'd probably seen most of it.
A reader wrote in to say that "I'm fed up with following my friends to places like Cambodia. Can you suggest a good place for a holiday"?
The answer from Harry Patch was a classic. "I've always liked Weymouth". AT Kunene ( talk) 12:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
My grandfather told me that in the build up towards the Battle of the Somme in 1916, lots of things changed in the military. The best known was the issue of steel helmets for the first time, as the central exchequer had taken over soldiers pay directly rather than via regimental funds a new army paybook was issued. The first specimen copies were filled out with the name "Tommy Atkins". The soldiery started calling themselves "Tommy" as did the Germans.
one definition of "Tommy" would be any soldier who served in WW1 between 1916 and the final peace treaty in 1919. AT Kunene ( talk) 12:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Under both the December 2004 and July 2007 paragraphs, the quotes, "calculated and condoned slaughter of human beings," and, "war isn't worth one life," are attributed to him. Is he known to have said the same thing twice on these occasions, or is one of them incorrect? — Sahjiarah ( talk) 19:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
A couple of things about this article:
I've addressed both of these. Happy to discuss, of course. KJP1 ( talk) 10:30, 23 January 2024 (UTC)