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Even Wikipedia editors can't be so colossally vain as to think the readers are too stupid to get the idea an external drive can be more than one color, without a picture. There is no point to including commented-out contents in the article, the readers don't see it and it makes editing more clumsy. I don't know why the multiple reverts, this article is grossly over long and needs to be trimmed down and less of a collection of press release clippings. -- Wtshymanski ( talk) 04:13, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
User:Wtshymanski insists upon this statement which is incorrect in several ways:
Older interfaces (such as for the ST-506 disk drive) had separate cables for analog data signals to a data separator on the controller card, and for drive control control signals that positioned the head." (emphasis added)
Going into this much detail seems TMI so I propose the simple and true sentance now in the article:
Older interfaces had separate cables for data signals and for drive control signals.
It avoids all of the above issues; any other simple constuction would be appropriate but an incorrect and misleading sentance should not be allowed Tom94022 ( talk) 23:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
"MFM is a modification to the original digital FM (digital frequency modulation also known as delay coding) scheme for encoding data ..." (emphasis added).
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An IP is asserting that SSDs now dominate the "market" referencing an Register article NAND that's that... Flash chip industry worth twice disk drive biz. This Register article is about the industries and not relevant markets. Flash competes in many markets while HDDs are essentially in one market, that is secondary storage device for general-purpose computers - it is inapposite (apples vs fruit) to draw any conclusion from relative industry revenues. In the relevent market revenues are about equal and HDD capacity shipped is about 10 times that of SDD. Clearly SSD is eroding HDDs market share in the relevent market but at least based upon capacity shipped, HDD still dominates. Tom94022 ( talk) 17:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Usage share of operating systems shifted in 2016. Popular computing platforms use NAND secondary storage, not HDDs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.107.163.254 ( talk) 00:33, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
The first sentence currently says that hard drives are in all cases platter drives. To disambiguate the article's disposition, I suggest renaming the article to "platter drive", since this covers portable platter drives as much as fixed platter drives. Other articles use "hard drive" (linking this article or not) as shorthand for essentially "secondary storage that cannot be easily removed from the device that usually accesses it." In that group is also SSD, etc. Yes, it's absolutely different technology, but the end user experience is largely the same even if performance varies. D. F. Schmidt ( talk) 18:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC) D. F. Schmidt ( talk) 18:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
There was a significant technological change from the 1950s to the 1960s that should be addressed in the lede or in Hard disk drive#history. The IBM 350, 355, 1405 and 7300 had arms that moved both horizontally and vertically; a seek could take over half a second. With the 353 and 1301, IBM introduced the comb arrangement used by all subsequent moving-head disks, with one R/W head per recording surface (including synchronization surfaces). Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 20:16, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
The article states that "Relatively new technologies like HDMR, HAMR and MAMR, Bit patterned media and dual independent actuator arms increase the speed and capacity of HDDs and are expected to make HDDs more competitive with SSDs.". It's a small point but dual independent actuator arms have been around since 1994 - Conner_Peripherals released their 'Chinook' dual-actuator drive in 1994. Loweredtone ( talk) 14:23, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Ws1920 has added {{ convert}} templates to form factor designations. My understanding is that these aren't really useful measuments but are more the name of the form factor. If so, I don't think the addition of an approximate the SI equivalent is helpful. I find that this has been discussed on this talk page at least once before but I don't see a clean resolution. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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There is currently an image of a contemporary SATA magnetic disk drive. Does anybody have an unencumbered image of an IBM 350 or IBM 355 that they could link to for contrast? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 15:17, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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It would be useful to know where control data like SMART data is stored - is it on the disk or within the electronics? If it is in the electronics, the platters and the electronics are matched, if not one can be replaced without the other. Can't find information about this on the Web. Chris.Bristol ( talk) 18:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
SAS uses a mechanically identical data and power connector to standard 3.5-inch SATA1/SATA2 HDDs...
That is not true. While the (combined data and power) plug on an SAS host adapter interface cable can be attacheded to a SATA drive, the reverse is not possible.
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User:Wtshymanski insists upon this statement which is incorrect in several ways:
Older interfaces (such as for the ST-506 disk drive) had separate cables for analog data signals to a data separator on the controller card, and for drive control control signals that positioned the head." (emphasis added)
Going into this much detail seems TMI so I propose the simple and true sentance now in the article:
Older interfaces had separate cables for data signals and for drive control signals.
It avoids all of the above issues; any other simple constuction would be appropriate but an incorrect and misleading sentance should not be allowed Tom94022 ( talk) 23:04, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
"MFM is a modification to the original digital FM (digital frequency modulation also known as delay coding) scheme for encoding data ..." (emphasis added).
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An IP is asserting that SSDs now dominate the "market" referencing an Register article NAND that's that... Flash chip industry worth twice disk drive biz. This Register article is about the industries and not relevant markets. Flash competes in many markets while HDDs are essentially in one market, that is secondary storage device for general-purpose computers - it is inapposite (apples vs fruit) to draw any conclusion from relative industry revenues. In the relevent market revenues are about equal and HDD capacity shipped is about 10 times that of SDD. Clearly SSD is eroding HDDs market share in the relevent market but at least based upon capacity shipped, HDD still dominates. Tom94022 ( talk) 17:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Usage share of operating systems shifted in 2016. Popular computing platforms use NAND secondary storage, not HDDs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.107.163.254 ( talk) 00:33, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
The first sentence currently says that hard drives are in all cases platter drives. To disambiguate the article's disposition, I suggest renaming the article to "platter drive", since this covers portable platter drives as much as fixed platter drives. Other articles use "hard drive" (linking this article or not) as shorthand for essentially "secondary storage that cannot be easily removed from the device that usually accesses it." In that group is also SSD, etc. Yes, it's absolutely different technology, but the end user experience is largely the same even if performance varies. D. F. Schmidt ( talk) 18:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC) D. F. Schmidt ( talk) 18:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
There was a significant technological change from the 1950s to the 1960s that should be addressed in the lede or in Hard disk drive#history. The IBM 350, 355, 1405 and 7300 had arms that moved both horizontally and vertically; a seek could take over half a second. With the 353 and 1301, IBM introduced the comb arrangement used by all subsequent moving-head disks, with one R/W head per recording surface (including synchronization surfaces). Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 20:16, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
The article states that "Relatively new technologies like HDMR, HAMR and MAMR, Bit patterned media and dual independent actuator arms increase the speed and capacity of HDDs and are expected to make HDDs more competitive with SSDs.". It's a small point but dual independent actuator arms have been around since 1994 - Conner_Peripherals released their 'Chinook' dual-actuator drive in 1994. Loweredtone ( talk) 14:23, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Ws1920 has added {{ convert}} templates to form factor designations. My understanding is that these aren't really useful measuments but are more the name of the form factor. If so, I don't think the addition of an approximate the SI equivalent is helpful. I find that this has been discussed on this talk page at least once before but I don't see a clean resolution. ~ Kvng ( talk) 14:40, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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There is currently an image of a contemporary SATA magnetic disk drive. Does anybody have an unencumbered image of an IBM 350 or IBM 355 that they could link to for contrast? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 15:17, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Note that images that are licensed for use only on Wikipedia, or only for non-commercial or educational use, or under a license that doesn't allow for the creation of modified/derived works, are unsuitable.at Wikipedia:Image use policy#Copyright and licensing? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 23:47, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
It would be useful to know where control data like SMART data is stored - is it on the disk or within the electronics? If it is in the electronics, the platters and the electronics are matched, if not one can be replaced without the other. Can't find information about this on the Web. Chris.Bristol ( talk) 18:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
SAS uses a mechanically identical data and power connector to standard 3.5-inch SATA1/SATA2 HDDs...
That is not true. While the (combined data and power) plug on an SAS host adapter interface cable can be attacheded to a SATA drive, the reverse is not possible.
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