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Hello, I am working with the Wikipedia-Purge Project. We wish to remove all of the articles that have been spreading misinformation, or have been taking up precious space with irrelevant articles that do not contribute meaningful knowledge. This is an automated survey, in order to determine whether or not this article is of use. Within the month of October 2022, if not one response is provided, with the stipulation that the response must definitively prove the utility of the article; this article will officially be erased permanently by Wikipedia Never jangoon again ( talk) 10:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
officially be erased permanently by Wikipedia. Favonian ( talk) 10:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
With about 200 million HDDs shipping annually and potential growth in cloud computing its pretty hard to see how this article is not relevant. As a "personal endeavour" it seems @ Never jangoon again: should provide evidence that this article is not relevant and in the absence of such evidence his unilateral erasing of this article would constitute vandalism. Tom94022 ( talk) 17:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Tom94022 would prefer to describe the subject as a Data storage device. It has for a long time been described as an Electro-mechanical data storage device. The existing description is accurate an more specific than the new proposal so I have reverted these changes twice. Let's discuss here if there is still a disagreement. ~ Kvng ( talk) 17:17, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Device [storing/playing] [information/data/audio/video/...] on [removable/non-removable/(blank)] [magnetic disk/optical disk/magnetic tape/magnetic drum/semiconductor memory/...]
Hard disk drive: Device storing data usually on non-removable magnetic disks
Optical disk drive: Device storing data usually on removable optical disks
SSD: Device storing data on non-removable semiconductor memory
Tom94022 ( talk) 22:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Data storage device), but would support making it more specific (e.g.,
Electo-mechanical magnetic storage device,) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 15:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
"not intended to define the subject of the article, but rather to distinguish it from other similarly named articles in search results."(emphasis added)
Device storing data on a magnetic diskor
Device storing data on a rotating magnetic disk. I don't think we have to go as far as
Device storing data on a rotating rigid magnetic disksince FDDs are distinguished by the article title. Tom94022 ( talk) 19:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Device storing data on magnetic disksis acceptable to @ Kvng and Chatul: and me so I propose we go with that and then add similar constructs to other data storage devices. Tom94022 ( talk) 23:26, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Let's try, Device storing data on magnetic diskswhich I adopted and Chatul stated
I oppose making it less specific, (e.g., "Data storage device")so this current proposal is Kvng's propsal which I think is minimal, sufficient and consistent between us three editors. FWIW I don't think the word rigid adds anything since the terms "floppy" and "hard" in the titles of those articles are sufficient for the purpose of a short description. Nor do I think there is much difference between "magnetic disk" and "disk coated with magnetic material" other than length. Finally, electro-mechanical adds nothing anything since SSD and HDD are clearly distinguished by their article titles. KISS - Keep it Short & Simple should apply. Tom94022 ( talk) 18:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I reiterate my edit summary - when did the refrigerator become a standard unit of measurement? What exactly is a "medium" refrigerator - or indeed two, or three of them? The only size reference is for the 350, which states Assembled with covers, the 350 was 60 inches long, 68 inches high and 29 inches deep
and is then converted into 68cubic feet in the article - which is a source ok, so why are we not using that instead of refrigerators?
Chaheel Riens (
talk)
06:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
a refrigerator is anything other than a refrigerator- but there are many, many different types and sizes of refrigerator, and I'm pretty sure that whatever counts as a medium refrigerator in America in the 1950s is not what the rest of the world would recognise as a medium sized refrigerator today in 2023. Why are you so against using actual measurements? Chaheel Riens ( talk) 19:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
@
Tom94022: Edit
permalink/1212434580 changed perform reads and writes on demand from the
disk controller.
to transfers data to/from a
disk controller thru a
buffered interface.
, which is true for contemporary disks but false for older disks. I reverted that change, and
Tom94022 then changed it first to and transfers data to/from a
disk controller thru a
interface which in modern drives is buffered.
, which is correct, but then in edit
permalink/1212639168 removed the qualifying phrase which in modern drives is buffered.
, rendering it again incorrect. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk)
15:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
The 3380 and 3880 came much later.was in response to you original text, before you changed 3380 (a drive) to 3830 (a control unit, much earlier than the 3380 and 3880). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 11:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
much earlierwas in reference to
early ECC implementations, and those were the 2305 and 3330. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 11:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, I am working with the Wikipedia-Purge Project. We wish to remove all of the articles that have been spreading misinformation, or have been taking up precious space with irrelevant articles that do not contribute meaningful knowledge. This is an automated survey, in order to determine whether or not this article is of use. Within the month of October 2022, if not one response is provided, with the stipulation that the response must definitively prove the utility of the article; this article will officially be erased permanently by Wikipedia Never jangoon again ( talk) 10:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
officially be erased permanently by Wikipedia. Favonian ( talk) 10:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
With about 200 million HDDs shipping annually and potential growth in cloud computing its pretty hard to see how this article is not relevant. As a "personal endeavour" it seems @ Never jangoon again: should provide evidence that this article is not relevant and in the absence of such evidence his unilateral erasing of this article would constitute vandalism. Tom94022 ( talk) 17:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Tom94022 would prefer to describe the subject as a Data storage device. It has for a long time been described as an Electro-mechanical data storage device. The existing description is accurate an more specific than the new proposal so I have reverted these changes twice. Let's discuss here if there is still a disagreement. ~ Kvng ( talk) 17:17, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Device [storing/playing] [information/data/audio/video/...] on [removable/non-removable/(blank)] [magnetic disk/optical disk/magnetic tape/magnetic drum/semiconductor memory/...]
Hard disk drive: Device storing data usually on non-removable magnetic disks
Optical disk drive: Device storing data usually on removable optical disks
SSD: Device storing data on non-removable semiconductor memory
Tom94022 ( talk) 22:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Data storage device), but would support making it more specific (e.g.,
Electo-mechanical magnetic storage device,) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 15:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
"not intended to define the subject of the article, but rather to distinguish it from other similarly named articles in search results."(emphasis added)
Device storing data on a magnetic diskor
Device storing data on a rotating magnetic disk. I don't think we have to go as far as
Device storing data on a rotating rigid magnetic disksince FDDs are distinguished by the article title. Tom94022 ( talk) 19:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
Device storing data on magnetic disksis acceptable to @ Kvng and Chatul: and me so I propose we go with that and then add similar constructs to other data storage devices. Tom94022 ( talk) 23:26, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Let's try, Device storing data on magnetic diskswhich I adopted and Chatul stated
I oppose making it less specific, (e.g., "Data storage device")so this current proposal is Kvng's propsal which I think is minimal, sufficient and consistent between us three editors. FWIW I don't think the word rigid adds anything since the terms "floppy" and "hard" in the titles of those articles are sufficient for the purpose of a short description. Nor do I think there is much difference between "magnetic disk" and "disk coated with magnetic material" other than length. Finally, electro-mechanical adds nothing anything since SSD and HDD are clearly distinguished by their article titles. KISS - Keep it Short & Simple should apply. Tom94022 ( talk) 18:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I reiterate my edit summary - when did the refrigerator become a standard unit of measurement? What exactly is a "medium" refrigerator - or indeed two, or three of them? The only size reference is for the 350, which states Assembled with covers, the 350 was 60 inches long, 68 inches high and 29 inches deep
and is then converted into 68cubic feet in the article - which is a source ok, so why are we not using that instead of refrigerators?
Chaheel Riens (
talk)
06:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
a refrigerator is anything other than a refrigerator- but there are many, many different types and sizes of refrigerator, and I'm pretty sure that whatever counts as a medium refrigerator in America in the 1950s is not what the rest of the world would recognise as a medium sized refrigerator today in 2023. Why are you so against using actual measurements? Chaheel Riens ( talk) 19:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
@
Tom94022: Edit
permalink/1212434580 changed perform reads and writes on demand from the
disk controller.
to transfers data to/from a
disk controller thru a
buffered interface.
, which is true for contemporary disks but false for older disks. I reverted that change, and
Tom94022 then changed it first to and transfers data to/from a
disk controller thru a
interface which in modern drives is buffered.
, which is correct, but then in edit
permalink/1212639168 removed the qualifying phrase which in modern drives is buffered.
, rendering it again incorrect. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk)
15:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
The 3380 and 3880 came much later.was in response to you original text, before you changed 3380 (a drive) to 3830 (a control unit, much earlier than the 3380 and 3880). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 11:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
much earlierwas in reference to
early ECC implementations, and those were the 2305 and 3330. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 11:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Notes