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Newspaper articles about the recent attack are among the most unreliable sources for the history of this place. Journalists on a deadline are more likely to get their background information from Wikipedia than from a history book. Use of such articles should be restricted to citation for the details of recent events. Zero talk 02:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The article says that the place was founded in 1982. But then it says "Har Adar was initially built adjacent to the Green Line but has grown past it since the 1967 Six-Day War and is now largely located within the West Bank." The latter is correctly cited to a book that ought to be reliable. But saying that a place not founded until 1982 did something before and since 1967 makes no sense. Actually, it's an outright contradiction. This ought to be fixed using better, clearer, sources. Incidentally, almost all of the houses of Har Adar shown in this map lie in the West Bank. Zero talk 02:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
This article and a less reliable book I have say that Har Adar was founded in 1986. More authoritatively, the CBS list of localities gives the year of Jewish settlement as 1986. I propose that we change 1982 to 1986 with the CBS list as source. Zero talk 02:55, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Har Adar was initially built adjacent to the Green Line but has grown past it since the 1967 Six-Day War and is now largely located within the West Bank>.
The Hebrew wiki says, unfortunately without source, "All the houses of the settlement, without exception, are located on the northeastern side of the Green Line." A detailed overlay of the houses as shown at Amud Anan with the green line as shown on an Israeli map circa 1950 supports this view. "Radar Hill", where the settlement is supposed to have started, is in the West Bank by a few hundred meters. Another thing is that a map I bought in Israeli in 1993 shows Har Adar well inside the West Bank. As yet this all is OR on my part, however I don't think we should use Cohen's book for just a part of what it says when it appears to have the rest of what it says wrong. Zero talk 13:26, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I just found that I don't need the 1950 map for the green line, since it is a boundary of Israeli statistical regions. Go to this recent official map. Har Adar הר אדר is in the middle; zoom in and select the satellite view from the pop-up on the top right corner of the map itself. Then click search שיפוש from the menu on the upper right and check the box beside "statistical areas" אדורים סטטיסטיים . The red diagonal line now dividing the greyed-out area from the rest is the green line (matching the 1950 map within 10 meters or less). You can see one or two buildings in Israel if you look carefully, but I don't know if they belong to Har Adar. Zero talk 13:57, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I see we have some new editors to this article unaware of its founding history. I will take the time and fix this tonight. Will explain how 67 leads to 82 establishement then 86 incorporation.-- Moxy ( talk) 12:15, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The current settlement was founded in 1986 initially within the Green Line. but quickly expanded over it.<ref name
the best proof that Har Adar was not founded within the Green Line is the multiple sources that say it was founded on Radar Hill. There is no question whatever that Radar Hill is in the West Bank by hundreds of meters.
This purports to be a translation of a Defense Ministry database published by Haaretz in 2009. That can be checked. On Har Adar it quotes a 1981 cabinet decision to establish "a communal settlement on Giv'at Haradar, at main coordinate 1624.1370." That location is 200m north of the highest point of Radar Hill, about 600m into the West Bank. The claim that it was established inside the Green Line is dead and buried. Zero talk 07:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC) Hebrew version of same. Zero talk 08:08, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
The claim that this place was founded within the green line relies on a source that thinks it was founded before 1967. As noted in detail above, that is unsustainable and must change.
The next problem is the lead sentence, which says "in the Seam Zone and the Maccabim sub-region of the West Bank". Where the source for the second part? Zero talk 09:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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Newspaper articles about the recent attack are among the most unreliable sources for the history of this place. Journalists on a deadline are more likely to get their background information from Wikipedia than from a history book. Use of such articles should be restricted to citation for the details of recent events. Zero talk 02:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The article says that the place was founded in 1982. But then it says "Har Adar was initially built adjacent to the Green Line but has grown past it since the 1967 Six-Day War and is now largely located within the West Bank." The latter is correctly cited to a book that ought to be reliable. But saying that a place not founded until 1982 did something before and since 1967 makes no sense. Actually, it's an outright contradiction. This ought to be fixed using better, clearer, sources. Incidentally, almost all of the houses of Har Adar shown in this map lie in the West Bank. Zero talk 02:25, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
This article and a less reliable book I have say that Har Adar was founded in 1986. More authoritatively, the CBS list of localities gives the year of Jewish settlement as 1986. I propose that we change 1982 to 1986 with the CBS list as source. Zero talk 02:55, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Har Adar was initially built adjacent to the Green Line but has grown past it since the 1967 Six-Day War and is now largely located within the West Bank>.
The Hebrew wiki says, unfortunately without source, "All the houses of the settlement, without exception, are located on the northeastern side of the Green Line." A detailed overlay of the houses as shown at Amud Anan with the green line as shown on an Israeli map circa 1950 supports this view. "Radar Hill", where the settlement is supposed to have started, is in the West Bank by a few hundred meters. Another thing is that a map I bought in Israeli in 1993 shows Har Adar well inside the West Bank. As yet this all is OR on my part, however I don't think we should use Cohen's book for just a part of what it says when it appears to have the rest of what it says wrong. Zero talk 13:26, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I just found that I don't need the 1950 map for the green line, since it is a boundary of Israeli statistical regions. Go to this recent official map. Har Adar הר אדר is in the middle; zoom in and select the satellite view from the pop-up on the top right corner of the map itself. Then click search שיפוש from the menu on the upper right and check the box beside "statistical areas" אדורים סטטיסטיים . The red diagonal line now dividing the greyed-out area from the rest is the green line (matching the 1950 map within 10 meters or less). You can see one or two buildings in Israel if you look carefully, but I don't know if they belong to Har Adar. Zero talk 13:57, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I see we have some new editors to this article unaware of its founding history. I will take the time and fix this tonight. Will explain how 67 leads to 82 establishement then 86 incorporation.-- Moxy ( talk) 12:15, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The current settlement was founded in 1986 initially within the Green Line. but quickly expanded over it.<ref name
the best proof that Har Adar was not founded within the Green Line is the multiple sources that say it was founded on Radar Hill. There is no question whatever that Radar Hill is in the West Bank by hundreds of meters.
This purports to be a translation of a Defense Ministry database published by Haaretz in 2009. That can be checked. On Har Adar it quotes a 1981 cabinet decision to establish "a communal settlement on Giv'at Haradar, at main coordinate 1624.1370." That location is 200m north of the highest point of Radar Hill, about 600m into the West Bank. The claim that it was established inside the Green Line is dead and buried. Zero talk 07:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC) Hebrew version of same. Zero talk 08:08, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
The claim that this place was founded within the green line relies on a source that thinks it was founded before 1967. As noted in detail above, that is unsustainable and must change.
The next problem is the lead sentence, which says "in the Seam Zone and the Maccabim sub-region of the West Bank". Where the source for the second part? Zero talk 09:49, 12 May 2019 (UTC)