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Any one interesting in collaborating on editing the article to include her philosophical work, particularly, Life of the Mind? i.e. the importance of Thinking etc.. I don't know what this would involve and it would be my first piece of work on Wiki but I'd like to try, with help, if anyone is interested. Leave a note on my talk/discussion page, please. Jeffrey Newman 08:43, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Scott McLemee, Arendt Biographer Corrects Mistake Linking Her to Jewish Terrorist Group, Chronicle of Higher Education, November 12, 2004. Corrects an inaccuracy in the First Edition of For Love of the World. Arendt did not give money to the Jewish Defense League. This was biographer Elisabeth Young-Bruehl's error (she says, in the Second Edition, the only significant one she's had to correct). Apparently Edward Said ran across that detail in the book and (in 1985) ran with it. So it's probably out there, much cited, but incorrect. -- Jmabel | Talk 10:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
A rather unflattering photo that I've never seen before. Doesn't anybody have a better pic? —This unsigned comment was added by DStrumpf ( talk • contribs) 21 March 2006.
I've heard Arendt referred to as a partial-zionist many times. I'm wondering if someone is willing to write a section on it. H.R.
She altered her position several times throughout her life. I will try to include more information as I have time. JKillah 20:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Don’t you think we should work on a criticism section? I know one thing she was heavily criticised for was her destination between the private and political spheres, or rather where she divided the two.-- Monty Cantsin 01:49, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like to do some reading with someone towards writing critically about public and private in her work. I remember Seyla Benhabib raises the issue. Where would I begin looking in Arendt? Mark Joseph 09:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Controversial publications were Eichmann in Jerusalem and Reflections on Little Rock. Her articles on the Eichmann trial were controversial because Arendt discussed the alleged lack of resistance and the colaboration of Jewish authorities like the Judenrate during the Holocaust, and because of the tone in which she discussed the conduct of such Jewish authorties during the Holocaust.
Her article on the Civil Rights struggle at Little Rock was controversial because she argued that enforcing school integration through the power of the U.S federal government was a mistake. The article was also controversial because the argued that state laws in the US banning interracial marriage were more a fundamental violation of human rights than legal racial segregation in education.
I hate how ridiculously convoluted her writings were, and how she mixed moral arguments with social science arguments... but I admit she made some good arguments. william n —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.105.140.164 ( talk • contribs) 18 Feb 2006
This link: http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:kFOOap47AL4J:www.thoemmes.com/encyclopedia/arendt.htm+hannah+arendt+columbia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=26 was given as a citation for her academic career. It's dead. It appears to have been a Google cache (bad idea, in general). I tried following up http://www.thoemmes.com/encyclopedia/arendt.htm both directly and on the Internet Archive: no luck. So I've removed it. - Jmabel | Talk 06:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
ISBN: 3492228356 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.19.139 ( talk) 20:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Ettinger, Elzbieta: Hannah Arendt. Martin Heidegger. Eine Geschichte. 1994, Serie Piper 1904, Piper, München. I have to look for the original in English language. Austerlitz 88.72.19.139 17:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
The author of this book, Elzbieta Ettinger, has died last year. http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2005/ettinger-obit.html
This was put on the Hannah Arendt page by Jvscott:
"Edits: 1) References to the way Arendt escaped from France are incorrect: Hannah Arendt escaped from France with the assistance of Varian Fry, working out of Marseilles for the State Department, who resuced many artists and writers. She traveled from Lisbon, having escaped over the Pyrnees, under the name "Frau Blucher" with her second husband, Heinrich Blucher. She #128 on Fry's list, his second list of lesser known European intellectuals. Fry's assistant Beamish wrote that Arendt was "a woman who will someday be famous." Sources: Marino, Andy. 1999. A Quiet American: The Secret War of Varian Fry.New York: St. Martin's Press. p. 143; Steinberg, Sheila. 2001. A hero Of Our OwnNew York: Random House. p.93"
I'm sure it's good information, but it should be put on the page so it still reads smoothly as an article. I took it off and put it here so that it is saved and can be added in a more appopriate manner. Acornwithwings 06:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
My english is not so good, but if you study with a person (Heidegger), doesn't this mean that both of you are students? In this case this part is false, for Heidegger was a teacher in philosophy when he met Arendt. Sorry if this is a stupid remark because of my english.
I removed "important but hard-to-classify", because it seemed a bit vague and unhelpful, but now I'm debating whether or not I should have done. Feel free to do something with it if you want. -- Oliver P. 06:32 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Responsibility and Judgment should it be added to the list of her literature? Here is the Table of Contents, [1]
If I'm not mistaken, the phrase "banality of evil" was coined by Arendt. There is a Wikipedia entry on "Banality of Evil" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_evil), but there is no reference to that page in this article. PJ 18:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
In fact, the concept emerges in the Letters with Jaspers. Help me get my identity back, and I'll look up the quotes! Jeffrey Newman 85.210.255.81 06:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to put in the reference. I must be doing something wrong, as it appears on the page. Could someone fix it? Thanks. -- Gilabrand 13:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
There's a Hannah Arendt Prize: [2], . — Ashley Y 04:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Hannah Arendt's death was sudden (the story is, she was found, possibly by Jerry Kohn, slumped over her typewriter, where she'd been for some time...); she was replaced the following (Spring 1976?...) semester by Ernst Vollrath. Apparently they were buddies and had nattered on about the Third Critique. Dr. Vollrath (a first class Aristotle scholar, among other things) had developed a very distinctive interpretation of Kant's doctrine of judgment, which he published in Rekonstruction der politischen Urteilskraft. There is some reason to think that HA might have been both influential in, and influence by, Vollrath's thinking. Hard book to find, but it can be had from used-booksellers in Germany for a reasonable amount. -- djenner ( talk) 04:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I think Kierkegaard and Nietzsche should be removed from the list of persons Arendt was influenced by. I really don't see any Kierkegaard's influence in her work (as far as I know she only quotes him once, in an essay on the "end of western tradition": and she is not exactely condescending with him.) Nietzsche is another story: it's clear she knows his work quite well (although she quotes him very rarely, almost exlusively from "The Will to Power" and almost exlusively on matters related to the philosophy of science), but influenced by him? I don't see it. Where is she influenced by him?
Of course Hegel has to go from the list, too. She basically hates him (and since she never quotes him and often atributes him theories he never sustained, it's doubtful she ever truly read him - when she writes "Hegel" she actually means "the way Hegel's thought was understood by 19-Century German historicists").
On the other hand, I think Machiavelli and Montesquieu should be added. Viator slovenicus 01:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
what is the support for Bertrand Russell as an influence? i thought he was more-or-less a "Hegelian"? Hjijch 03:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Paul under Influences directs to a page about the name Paul. Which Paul is it meant to be? VaughnJess 10:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if any of the Arendt scholars know if she had any particular influence on the German-American political theorist and historian Eric Voegelin. As I recall, Voegelin does mention in some of his non-academic writing either lecturing in a few of Arendt's courses or bringing her into his as a guest lecturer (perhaps while she was at the New School or while he was at LSU, though I can’t seem to find the references). As some of their main topics of study have close overlap, as did some of their circle of contemporary influences, did either ever specifically attribute significant lines of their own thought to the other. If so, he may be worth adding in the influence box. Aurelius89 ( talk) 04:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
In case you judge this essay not to be "neutral", please tell me what you want to say by this lable. Thank you.
Can someone comment on the removal of the quotationsbook.com external link on this page? It is a valuable link, adding value to this page. I'd appreciate opinions. Kind regards Amit
Can somebody remove the link to The hannah Arendt Circle (under organisations); it is a gambling site! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.144.208.13 ( talk) 12:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I will remove the "Legacy" section. This only contains one citation and one quote, and although there is a nice contrast between them, it's hard to see what we can get out of them. Neither can I see what exactly should go under such title. trespassers william ( talk) 18:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
added the category of 'American political theorist' at the bottom. as the opening paragraph of the article states, she considered herself a political theorist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.118.224 ( talk) 03:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Added sections within work to improve formatting. TheHappiestCritic ( talk) 21:50, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I am not supporting any of the terrible discussion above about how Jews are a race and "German" is an exclusive category. However, to call her German, let alone German-American, is quite inaccurate, unless your sole justification is that she emigrated from Germany to the United States. This qualification needs to be made. In Germany and most of Europe by the time she emigrated, Jewish was an ethnic or national identity, even if this was not sanctioned officially. Even many circles in the USA made the distinction.
Besides, although it would be unfair to exaggerate her "Jewishness," her Jewish ethnic or cultural identity is important for the article to help explain her efforts to "understand" the totalitarianism she feared so much. Just saying she had Jewish parents but is non-observant is understated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.221.117 ( talk) 17:57, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
As someone who is new to this subject matter, I am having trouble trying to understand one sentence in the first paragraph under Works: "This natality signs the contingent, indeterminate and so political future that we don't know anything about." I would greatly appreciate it if someone would paraphrase it. Both "signs" and "so" have multiple possible meanings here. Salliesatt ( talk) 12:15, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
But I am sure there are better possibilities.-- Joel Mc ( talk) 10:14, 28 August 2012 (UTC)"The new and unique beginning represented by each birth indicates the unknown political future dependent on unknown conditions. (Arndt uses the word "natality" to mean "the fact that each birth represents a new beginning and the introduction of novelty in the world." See the Hannah Arendt entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Arendt)"
It seems the whole "works" section is completely Wikipedia:unreferenced. At least the part "on revolution" seems to be Wikipedia:Original_Research. I have left it there because I learned a lot through that and i think this is quite useful, but a summary should be done with pointers on similar research as sources soon, or the text should just be removed if no one steps up to clean that up.
I also note that through the history of this article, similar content was added, twice, (as User:Tfisher112 and User:Jcash33) then removed (but not completely) and then added back again (as User:Jirving553). I suspect those three accounts are linked to the same person which seems to want to persist in getting this text in Wikipedia. Those three accounts have only contributed to this page, so I suspect Wikipedia:Sock puppetry, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tfisher112 for further investigation, and report other occurences there.
Please, do respect the consensus on how to contribute to wikipedia and cite your sources! Thanks! -- TheAnarcat ( talk) 01:58, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Whereas Marx uses the concept first, Arendt uses humanity as animal laborans together with with humanity as homo faber and humanity as zoon potikon (man as a political animal) to criticise Marx's "elevation of animal laborans to a position of primacy.."; in her view this leads to totalitarianism. Thus its use is part of her notable ideas. I agree with the comment above, that the section on works needs reference, but that there is a need to add some more of her central ideas. I would love to do this, but don't have the time now, maybe later. Joel Mc ( talk) 16:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
HA is divorced in 1937, but afterwards is said to be married? Where, when, who? What's up?
HA is supposed to travel to Germany in 1941 onward. How is this possible?
What is HA's take on Hume vs. Kant? Wonder what she would have thought about modern research on the power of instinct and emotion to bend rationalization to the needs of instinct and emotion.
Thanks. heqs 15:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
EMIguy ( talk) 21:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
This entire section is an unsourced analysis of one aspect of Arendt's On Revolution. It is presented as if it were the title of one of her works. This whole section should be deleted as it is nothing more that someone's book report on On Revolution Ross Fraser ( talk) 02:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
In the absence of further discussion, I'll remove this section on the grounds that it is 1) unsourced, and 2) not biographical. If someone wants to create a WP page on "On Revolution", please proceed. Ross Fraser ( talk) 22:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
As there has been no discussion, I've removed this section. None of the material is sourced and it isn't biographical. In case someone wants to create a page on Arendt's analysis of revolutions, I've moved the material here. Reliable citations will be needed.
Ross Fraser ( talk) 23:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
It says above the article that it might be too long, I think this is wrong. Clearly Hannah Arendt was a very important intellectual & journalist, and the article does in my opinion hardly contain anything not important in its present form. If we look at the article about another dead intellectual & journalist, Christopher Hitchens, it is alot longer than the article about Hannah Arendt. Now of course Hitchens was an important figure, but I think many people would agree with me that there are hardly many more important things to write about Hitchens than there are about Arendt, and if we should do anything it is to make the article about Arendt longer, not shorter. Mattias Berggren ( talk) 20:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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"the hometown of her admired precursor Immanuel Kant, now called Kaliningrad"
"now" means when Hannah Arendt was growing up there? Or does 'now' mean the early 21st century? Didn't they change the name back after the fall of Communism?
It is Königsberg. --- Dagme ( talk) 04:27, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
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Don't you think it is one of Arendt major ideas? It seems to me like one recurring concept in her work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appleisthebest ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
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"Arendt argues that, while human life always evolves within societies, the social-being part of human nature, political life, has been intentionally constructed by only a few of these societies as a space for individuals to achieve freedom through the construction of a common world. These conceptual categories, which attempt to bridge the gap between ontological and sociological structures, are sharply delineated." This is incoherent. Rearranging some commas might help a bit, but not much. StN ( talk) 02:39, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
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What's with various people and city names in italic (e.g. Heidegger, Königsberg, Varnhagen)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.222.210 ( talk) 03:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
The §Commemorations section notes that "Various gymnasiums (German high schools) have been dedicated to Arendt", but I'm wondering if it may serve to use the German plural Gymnasien to aid in clarifying the different usage. While they share a common etymology, it is essentially the German word that is being invoked, so pluralising and capitalising as such may help to show this. — Sasuke Sarutobi ( push to talk) 17:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
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which in turn is presumably copied from somewhere in Wikipedia - or vice-versa -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 23:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
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Currently rated B, but could be raised to GA. See German article which is GA as a reference page - language tag added at head of this page -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 16:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
69.181.23.220 ( talk) 17:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
There appears to be an opinion that cause of death (heart attack) should not be mentioned in the Infobox, based on the Infobox template documentation - "Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability, e.g. James Dean, John Lennon. It should not be filled in for unremarkable deaths such as those from old age or routine illness".
The arguments for inclusion are (1) Her heavy smoking (and her husband's) was iconic, she was always photographed smoking (2) the dramatic nature of her death, entertaining friends in her apartment (3) she had her first heart attack the previous year while delivering the Gifford lectures in Scotland and remained in poor health over the year between that and her death (4) her death interrupted the final part of her last work, The Life of the Mind, which she was working on that evening. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 16:04, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
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I'm going to claim this review right now, with the caveat that it may be a little while before I am able to sit down and give this the attention that it really deserves (and it may be a slightly bitty review). I'm far from an expert on Arendt, but I am familiar with her work and some of the secondary literature.
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Let me start with a few general comments from the first look:
I will find time to take a proper look through in due course; I want to be able to sit down with this properly! Josh Milburn ( talk) 17:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
1. Bluelinks. It is always interesting how in reviews one reviewer insists one not do something, the next reviewer insists you do. Case in point, underlinking and overlinking. On my last review, the reviewer removed most of the links, stating that the current philosophy, is to be very sparing. In particular pointing to What not to link. This was my reason for not linking sovereign states, which I see you have restored.
2. Redlinks. Some are more enthusiastic about this than others. I tend to think if one is going to redlink, one should provide the missing page. So I didn't link The Life of the Mind. Now I feel I need to start a page on that book. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 15:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
3. Denken. I used "thinking" over "thought", which you seem to prefer, because like Heidegger, she repeatedly returns to Denken as a core concept. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 15:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
4. Revisions to article of October 20 reviewed -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 13:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Earwig's Copyvio Detector reported a 78% match with Eichmann in Jerusalem. I have gone through this very carefully, and appears to be a false positive entirely due to the use of attributed quotations. Other matches are due to inclusion of similar items in bibliography. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 17:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Checked for internal and external links -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 18:03, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Ok: I'm going to take a proper look end-to-end:
1 I think we need to be very selective in our use of links to other Wikipedias. I see we link to the German Wikipedia article on Max Arendt; why not create a redlink? Same for the link to her dissertation, Erwin Loewenson, Benno von Wiese, Hugo Friedrich, and perhaps others. If they're notable, create a redlink!
2 Is this in British English, American English, or something else? I see American dates, but note favourable
3 You sometimes provide dates for the people mentioned, sometimes not. I confess I can't really work out your system.
4 I wonder whether it would be better to start referring to her as "Arendt" once you start the "career" section?
5 Italics. "for a grant to the Notgemeinschaft der Deutschen Wissenschaft" A grant to NDW? And why italics?
1 "whose politics were social democracy" Why not something like "who were social democrats"? The current option is a little wordy.
2 The second paragraph of the lead is very long. Do you think there is a natural way to split it? I wonder whether "Divorcing Stern" or "She settled in" would be good places to start a new paragraph.
1 "and women who shared the loss of husbands and children" This is a little prosaic
2 "Margarethe Fuerst (Fürst 1884–1942)" Fuerst or Fürst? This is a little confusing.
3 "When Königsberg appeared to be no longer threatened, they returned after ten weeks, spending the remaining war years there at her grandfather's house." This sentence is a little all over the place. Could you perhaps try to smoothen it out?
4 Kurt Blumenfeld or Karl Blumenfeld?
1 "After Heidelberg, where Günther completed the first draft of his Habilitation thesis, the Sterns then moved to Frankfurt where Günther hoped to complete it" This isn't clear. What does it refer to? The first draft? An earlier clause says that the first draft was complete.
2 and turned instead to Rahel Varnhagen and the question of assimilation as the subject" What does this mean?
3 "Das Frauenproblem in der Gegenwart. Eine psychologische Bilanz" You normally provide translations?
4 *Who is Anne Mendelssohn? She is mentioned without any introduction.
Ok, stopping there for now. I've made it to the end of the "Germany" subsection of the "career" section. Please double-check my edits.
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5 *"She described the process of making refugees as "the new type of human being created by contemporary history...put into concentration camps by their foes and into internment camps by their friends"." Arendt did, or her mother did?
6 *Is it really right to title the section "Internment and escape" when she acquired release papers?
Stopping there for now. Josh Milburn ( talk) 07:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Michael Goodyear and Josh Milburn: Both of you have put a lot into this review and it looks like it might be close to being done. The main comment that I will mention is that separation of the Career section and the Works section seems a little unexpected. That is to say, her career was largely the writing of her works, and her written works do represent her career. If the two sections can be brought together and merged into one section it looks like the article is nearly done. CodexJustin ( talk) 16:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I invite another reviewer to take over.He took himself off the review, you've taken over, and it's now solely your decision whether to approve or not. Thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 15:20, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
yes this is true, but she always said, that her point of view is the Jewish perspective, because she was attackes as a jewish from the germans. The same sentencs is in the german articel.-- Ot 13:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Hier wurde am 14. 10 1906 die deutsch-jüdische Historikerin und politische Philosophin Hannah Arendt geboren. (Eng: The German-Jewish historian and political philosopher Hannah Arendt was born here on October 14, 1906.) [3]
Joel Mc 18:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
In a letter to Karl Jaspers wrote Hannah 17. december 1946: "... ob ich Deutsche oder Jüdin sei. Ehrlich gesagt, es ist mir persönlich egal. ... Ich möchte sagen: Politisch werde ich immer nur im Namen der Juden sprechen, sofern ich gezwungen bin meine Nationalität anzugeben. ..." Have I to translate it Joel?-- Ot 18:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hannah Arendt (Johanna Arendt, * 14. Oktober 1906 in Linden, heute Teil von Hannover; † 4. Dezember 1975 in New York) war eine jüdische Publizistin und Gelehrte deutscher Herkunft. (Eng: ... was a jewish writer and scholar of German origin.)
2A02:908:2216:6BA0:4452:682B:3339:9699 ( talk) 11:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
She wasn't German she was Jewish, you can't be both - (unsigned)
Yes you can. Millions are, have been and will be. She was. --- Dagme ( talk) 04:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
!!!!this is not a trick question at all!!!. trick is: why is this question here and unsigned? if this person do not have the coraged to sign it or formulate more precise the intention of the question, this question should not be published, in my opnion. because that is the way fachists and other criminals do their business and i think we should not allowed wikipedia to be a place for bigotry. behid this question could be a statement of no acceptance of the fact that hanna arentd is german and jewish, not to mation a great thinker. she was borned in germany and raised in germany and only have to live her country because the nazis. i do suggest that this question be erased unless the questioner do sign it and make this question more clear in its intentions. 01:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)dontneed
Have you heard about judaism being a nationality?! - I haven't. To me it is a religion and does by no means contradict being of German or any other nationality! (F.B.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.58.11 ( talk • contribs) 19 March 2006
Great, the Israel will have no problem with letting in all the arabs that wanna come. Judaism is not an ethnicity. Got it, jews is a religion. Couldn't be clearer. 146.247.83.107 ( talk) 01:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC) 01:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC) 146.247.83.107 ( talk)
Why do you complain about 217.83.58.11 when you basically agree with him ? You don`t like Yekkes, do you ? As regards Hannah, she always retained a thick German accent (as did Leo Strauss). So much for her being an American. P.S.: You`re the kind of person who vilified Arendt for her book on the Eichmann trial. Stop watching FAUX NEWS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.174.188.212 ( talk) 16:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
who are you people?! this question is somewhat ignorant. one should know that Klaningrad is still a Russian city.
I'd suggest to list her as an American Jew since she was stripped off from German citizenship and became later a citizen of the US. An alternative might be German born American Jew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.225.73.210 ( talk) 04:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Just going back to the ridiculous first statement. That's like saying 'he's not Spanish, he's Catholic'!! or 'she's not Indian, she's Hindu'!! What utter nonsense. Hannah Arendt was German by nationality and Jewish by faith. It's quite simple. Judaism is not a nationality. So to the person who wrote the original statement. Don't be a twit!! Detmold64 3rd January 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.232.159 ( talk) 22:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Gave her nationality as German-born following standard procedure as for example with another German-born assimilated Jew, Albert Einstein, but added the important special features of her nationality---escaping Holocaust and becoming an American citizen---later in intro. CharlesHBennett ( talk) 15:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
With regard to the citizenship, which is probably the least controversial issue in this discussion, I would like to refer to the article on Hannah Arendt in the german version of Wikipedia. It claims that "[...] Nachdem sie vom nationalsozialistischen Regime 1937 ausgebürgert worden war, war sie staatenlos, bis sie 1951 die US-amerikanische Staatsbürgerschaft erhielt."
This could be interpreted as "She was deprived of her citizenship by the Nazi regime in 1937. From then on she was stateless until 1951. Then she was granted the US-American citizenship"
To the best of my knowledge, the Freistaat Preußen ceased to exist as a state sometime in between 1933 and 1934, when the Nazis enforced the so called Gleichschaltung. This Gleichschaltung was certainly violating the constitution, but was yet effective. By decree, from the February 7th 1934 on there was no such thing as a Prussian citizenship any longer. Factually, from then on Hannah Arendt hat the citizenship of the Deutsche Reich.
The article further reports, that during her immigration, she suffered from the circumstance of being a refugee. She later cherished the naturalization and regarded herself an an American. 2A02:908:2216:6BA0:D811:737:F13C:F9EA ( talk) 19:11, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that is a convincing notion. I must admit, that it is much more difficult to figure out her personal attitude about her ethnic or national identity than it is to figure out her formal citizenship by strict terms of law. Even though the latter seems to be complicated enough. It would not be a great surprise, when her respective attitude would have changed over her lifetime. By the time that she was stateless, in 1943, she addressed this question in her article "Wir Flüchtlinge". Here, she advocates a rather cosmopolitan self-conception. To put it more precisely, she encouraged her fellow refugees to claim more self-esteem. To her, being a refugee would be an identity in its own right. She first published this article in a newspaper addressing a jewish audience. It is undisputed, that she was closely related to the zionist movement. Jewish organizations supported her most during the very period in her life, when she needed it most. For a long time, she was not welcome anywhere, including the united states. She also spoke up for a binational state of israel, including both jews and arabs with equal rights. Later in her biography, she seems to have regard herself as an US-American citizen.
I stop here. We could continue considering her personal opinion for a long time. Or the view of her contemporaries. The result will be, that matters are not as simple as that. Since she is an outstanding person, many would like to claim her as a compatriot. Just like Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Now that he has become a celebrity, the Germans call him a German and the Austrians call him an Austrian. During his lifetime, he was ill-treated by both. What does that remind you of?
However, the beginning of this discussion was the question as to "Why is she listed as "German?". It is safe to say that she was more than that.
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I feel like reverting you removal of links, because it's a GA, so approved quality. Please check: A link in the lead should be repeated in the body. A link to a work should be repeated in the Work section. There may be other reasons to make an exception. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
The lead is just ridiculous. Why is her father's syphilis in there? Her affairs and marriages? Her early life was exciting and dangerous, but Arendt is famous because was a political philosopher, not because she was a refugee. Most of the lead is details of things that have nothing to do with Arendt's importance. The reader coming to the page will want to know who she was, the general outlines of her thought, and why she is important. Biographical trivia should be in their own section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.170.64 ( talk) 10:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Article currently states:
Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?
(Who, if I cried out, would hear me among the angel's hierarchies?)
Shouldn't the translation of Engel be _angels'_ instead of _angel's_?
"Engel" here is plural. (Singular would be "…aus des Engels Ordnungen".) -- 176.199.18.181 ( talk) 23:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
I think it’s as long as the entry on Kant! Yes, I read the archived comments, and it’s no defense to point out that the article on Christopher Hitchens is of similar length. Neither one is exactly a world-historical figure. I know I have read many articles on much more significant people which were much shorter. 68.82.158.175 ( talk) 05:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Why are four separate references needed to source two words of IPA?? Another pointless revert Aza24 (talk) 23:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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Any one interesting in collaborating on editing the article to include her philosophical work, particularly, Life of the Mind? i.e. the importance of Thinking etc.. I don't know what this would involve and it would be my first piece of work on Wiki but I'd like to try, with help, if anyone is interested. Leave a note on my talk/discussion page, please. Jeffrey Newman 08:43, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Scott McLemee, Arendt Biographer Corrects Mistake Linking Her to Jewish Terrorist Group, Chronicle of Higher Education, November 12, 2004. Corrects an inaccuracy in the First Edition of For Love of the World. Arendt did not give money to the Jewish Defense League. This was biographer Elisabeth Young-Bruehl's error (she says, in the Second Edition, the only significant one she's had to correct). Apparently Edward Said ran across that detail in the book and (in 1985) ran with it. So it's probably out there, much cited, but incorrect. -- Jmabel | Talk 10:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
A rather unflattering photo that I've never seen before. Doesn't anybody have a better pic? —This unsigned comment was added by DStrumpf ( talk • contribs) 21 March 2006.
I've heard Arendt referred to as a partial-zionist many times. I'm wondering if someone is willing to write a section on it. H.R.
She altered her position several times throughout her life. I will try to include more information as I have time. JKillah 20:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Don’t you think we should work on a criticism section? I know one thing she was heavily criticised for was her destination between the private and political spheres, or rather where she divided the two.-- Monty Cantsin 01:49, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like to do some reading with someone towards writing critically about public and private in her work. I remember Seyla Benhabib raises the issue. Where would I begin looking in Arendt? Mark Joseph 09:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Controversial publications were Eichmann in Jerusalem and Reflections on Little Rock. Her articles on the Eichmann trial were controversial because Arendt discussed the alleged lack of resistance and the colaboration of Jewish authorities like the Judenrate during the Holocaust, and because of the tone in which she discussed the conduct of such Jewish authorties during the Holocaust.
Her article on the Civil Rights struggle at Little Rock was controversial because she argued that enforcing school integration through the power of the U.S federal government was a mistake. The article was also controversial because the argued that state laws in the US banning interracial marriage were more a fundamental violation of human rights than legal racial segregation in education.
I hate how ridiculously convoluted her writings were, and how she mixed moral arguments with social science arguments... but I admit she made some good arguments. william n —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.105.140.164 ( talk • contribs) 18 Feb 2006
This link: http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:kFOOap47AL4J:www.thoemmes.com/encyclopedia/arendt.htm+hannah+arendt+columbia&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=26 was given as a citation for her academic career. It's dead. It appears to have been a Google cache (bad idea, in general). I tried following up http://www.thoemmes.com/encyclopedia/arendt.htm both directly and on the Internet Archive: no luck. So I've removed it. - Jmabel | Talk 06:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
ISBN: 3492228356 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.19.139 ( talk) 20:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Ettinger, Elzbieta: Hannah Arendt. Martin Heidegger. Eine Geschichte. 1994, Serie Piper 1904, Piper, München. I have to look for the original in English language. Austerlitz 88.72.19.139 17:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
The author of this book, Elzbieta Ettinger, has died last year. http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2005/ettinger-obit.html
This was put on the Hannah Arendt page by Jvscott:
"Edits: 1) References to the way Arendt escaped from France are incorrect: Hannah Arendt escaped from France with the assistance of Varian Fry, working out of Marseilles for the State Department, who resuced many artists and writers. She traveled from Lisbon, having escaped over the Pyrnees, under the name "Frau Blucher" with her second husband, Heinrich Blucher. She #128 on Fry's list, his second list of lesser known European intellectuals. Fry's assistant Beamish wrote that Arendt was "a woman who will someday be famous." Sources: Marino, Andy. 1999. A Quiet American: The Secret War of Varian Fry.New York: St. Martin's Press. p. 143; Steinberg, Sheila. 2001. A hero Of Our OwnNew York: Random House. p.93"
I'm sure it's good information, but it should be put on the page so it still reads smoothly as an article. I took it off and put it here so that it is saved and can be added in a more appopriate manner. Acornwithwings 06:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
My english is not so good, but if you study with a person (Heidegger), doesn't this mean that both of you are students? In this case this part is false, for Heidegger was a teacher in philosophy when he met Arendt. Sorry if this is a stupid remark because of my english.
I removed "important but hard-to-classify", because it seemed a bit vague and unhelpful, but now I'm debating whether or not I should have done. Feel free to do something with it if you want. -- Oliver P. 06:32 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Responsibility and Judgment should it be added to the list of her literature? Here is the Table of Contents, [1]
If I'm not mistaken, the phrase "banality of evil" was coined by Arendt. There is a Wikipedia entry on "Banality of Evil" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_evil), but there is no reference to that page in this article. PJ 18:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
In fact, the concept emerges in the Letters with Jaspers. Help me get my identity back, and I'll look up the quotes! Jeffrey Newman 85.210.255.81 06:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to put in the reference. I must be doing something wrong, as it appears on the page. Could someone fix it? Thanks. -- Gilabrand 13:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
There's a Hannah Arendt Prize: [2], . — Ashley Y 04:18, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Hannah Arendt's death was sudden (the story is, she was found, possibly by Jerry Kohn, slumped over her typewriter, where she'd been for some time...); she was replaced the following (Spring 1976?...) semester by Ernst Vollrath. Apparently they were buddies and had nattered on about the Third Critique. Dr. Vollrath (a first class Aristotle scholar, among other things) had developed a very distinctive interpretation of Kant's doctrine of judgment, which he published in Rekonstruction der politischen Urteilskraft. There is some reason to think that HA might have been both influential in, and influence by, Vollrath's thinking. Hard book to find, but it can be had from used-booksellers in Germany for a reasonable amount. -- djenner ( talk) 04:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
I think Kierkegaard and Nietzsche should be removed from the list of persons Arendt was influenced by. I really don't see any Kierkegaard's influence in her work (as far as I know she only quotes him once, in an essay on the "end of western tradition": and she is not exactely condescending with him.) Nietzsche is another story: it's clear she knows his work quite well (although she quotes him very rarely, almost exlusively from "The Will to Power" and almost exlusively on matters related to the philosophy of science), but influenced by him? I don't see it. Where is she influenced by him?
Of course Hegel has to go from the list, too. She basically hates him (and since she never quotes him and often atributes him theories he never sustained, it's doubtful she ever truly read him - when she writes "Hegel" she actually means "the way Hegel's thought was understood by 19-Century German historicists").
On the other hand, I think Machiavelli and Montesquieu should be added. Viator slovenicus 01:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
what is the support for Bertrand Russell as an influence? i thought he was more-or-less a "Hegelian"? Hjijch 03:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Paul under Influences directs to a page about the name Paul. Which Paul is it meant to be? VaughnJess 10:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if any of the Arendt scholars know if she had any particular influence on the German-American political theorist and historian Eric Voegelin. As I recall, Voegelin does mention in some of his non-academic writing either lecturing in a few of Arendt's courses or bringing her into his as a guest lecturer (perhaps while she was at the New School or while he was at LSU, though I can’t seem to find the references). As some of their main topics of study have close overlap, as did some of their circle of contemporary influences, did either ever specifically attribute significant lines of their own thought to the other. If so, he may be worth adding in the influence box. Aurelius89 ( talk) 04:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
In case you judge this essay not to be "neutral", please tell me what you want to say by this lable. Thank you.
Can someone comment on the removal of the quotationsbook.com external link on this page? It is a valuable link, adding value to this page. I'd appreciate opinions. Kind regards Amit
Can somebody remove the link to The hannah Arendt Circle (under organisations); it is a gambling site! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.144.208.13 ( talk) 12:35, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I will remove the "Legacy" section. This only contains one citation and one quote, and although there is a nice contrast between them, it's hard to see what we can get out of them. Neither can I see what exactly should go under such title. trespassers william ( talk) 18:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
added the category of 'American political theorist' at the bottom. as the opening paragraph of the article states, she considered herself a political theorist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.118.224 ( talk) 03:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Added sections within work to improve formatting. TheHappiestCritic ( talk) 21:50, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I am not supporting any of the terrible discussion above about how Jews are a race and "German" is an exclusive category. However, to call her German, let alone German-American, is quite inaccurate, unless your sole justification is that she emigrated from Germany to the United States. This qualification needs to be made. In Germany and most of Europe by the time she emigrated, Jewish was an ethnic or national identity, even if this was not sanctioned officially. Even many circles in the USA made the distinction.
Besides, although it would be unfair to exaggerate her "Jewishness," her Jewish ethnic or cultural identity is important for the article to help explain her efforts to "understand" the totalitarianism she feared so much. Just saying she had Jewish parents but is non-observant is understated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.221.117 ( talk) 17:57, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
As someone who is new to this subject matter, I am having trouble trying to understand one sentence in the first paragraph under Works: "This natality signs the contingent, indeterminate and so political future that we don't know anything about." I would greatly appreciate it if someone would paraphrase it. Both "signs" and "so" have multiple possible meanings here. Salliesatt ( talk) 12:15, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
But I am sure there are better possibilities.-- Joel Mc ( talk) 10:14, 28 August 2012 (UTC)"The new and unique beginning represented by each birth indicates the unknown political future dependent on unknown conditions. (Arndt uses the word "natality" to mean "the fact that each birth represents a new beginning and the introduction of novelty in the world." See the Hannah Arendt entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy Arendt)"
It seems the whole "works" section is completely Wikipedia:unreferenced. At least the part "on revolution" seems to be Wikipedia:Original_Research. I have left it there because I learned a lot through that and i think this is quite useful, but a summary should be done with pointers on similar research as sources soon, or the text should just be removed if no one steps up to clean that up.
I also note that through the history of this article, similar content was added, twice, (as User:Tfisher112 and User:Jcash33) then removed (but not completely) and then added back again (as User:Jirving553). I suspect those three accounts are linked to the same person which seems to want to persist in getting this text in Wikipedia. Those three accounts have only contributed to this page, so I suspect Wikipedia:Sock puppetry, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tfisher112 for further investigation, and report other occurences there.
Please, do respect the consensus on how to contribute to wikipedia and cite your sources! Thanks! -- TheAnarcat ( talk) 01:58, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Whereas Marx uses the concept first, Arendt uses humanity as animal laborans together with with humanity as homo faber and humanity as zoon potikon (man as a political animal) to criticise Marx's "elevation of animal laborans to a position of primacy.."; in her view this leads to totalitarianism. Thus its use is part of her notable ideas. I agree with the comment above, that the section on works needs reference, but that there is a need to add some more of her central ideas. I would love to do this, but don't have the time now, maybe later. Joel Mc ( talk) 16:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
HA is divorced in 1937, but afterwards is said to be married? Where, when, who? What's up?
HA is supposed to travel to Germany in 1941 onward. How is this possible?
What is HA's take on Hume vs. Kant? Wonder what she would have thought about modern research on the power of instinct and emotion to bend rationalization to the needs of instinct and emotion.
Thanks. heqs 15:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
EMIguy ( talk) 21:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
This entire section is an unsourced analysis of one aspect of Arendt's On Revolution. It is presented as if it were the title of one of her works. This whole section should be deleted as it is nothing more that someone's book report on On Revolution Ross Fraser ( talk) 02:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
In the absence of further discussion, I'll remove this section on the grounds that it is 1) unsourced, and 2) not biographical. If someone wants to create a WP page on "On Revolution", please proceed. Ross Fraser ( talk) 22:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
As there has been no discussion, I've removed this section. None of the material is sourced and it isn't biographical. In case someone wants to create a page on Arendt's analysis of revolutions, I've moved the material here. Reliable citations will be needed.
Ross Fraser ( talk) 23:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
It says above the article that it might be too long, I think this is wrong. Clearly Hannah Arendt was a very important intellectual & journalist, and the article does in my opinion hardly contain anything not important in its present form. If we look at the article about another dead intellectual & journalist, Christopher Hitchens, it is alot longer than the article about Hannah Arendt. Now of course Hitchens was an important figure, but I think many people would agree with me that there are hardly many more important things to write about Hitchens than there are about Arendt, and if we should do anything it is to make the article about Arendt longer, not shorter. Mattias Berggren ( talk) 20:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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"the hometown of her admired precursor Immanuel Kant, now called Kaliningrad"
"now" means when Hannah Arendt was growing up there? Or does 'now' mean the early 21st century? Didn't they change the name back after the fall of Communism?
It is Königsberg. --- Dagme ( talk) 04:27, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 17:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Don't you think it is one of Arendt major ideas? It seems to me like one recurring concept in her work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appleisthebest ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
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What's with various people and city names in italic (e.g. Heidegger, Königsberg, Varnhagen)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.222.210 ( talk) 03:48, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
The §Commemorations section notes that "Various gymnasiums (German high schools) have been dedicated to Arendt", but I'm wondering if it may serve to use the German plural Gymnasien to aid in clarifying the different usage. While they share a common etymology, it is essentially the German word that is being invoked, so pluralising and capitalising as such may help to show this. — Sasuke Sarutobi ( push to talk) 17:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
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There appears to be an opinion that cause of death (heart attack) should not be mentioned in the Infobox, based on the Infobox template documentation - "Cause of death. Should be clearly defined and sourced, and should only be included when the cause of death has significance for the subject's notability, e.g. James Dean, John Lennon. It should not be filled in for unremarkable deaths such as those from old age or routine illness".
The arguments for inclusion are (1) Her heavy smoking (and her husband's) was iconic, she was always photographed smoking (2) the dramatic nature of her death, entertaining friends in her apartment (3) she had her first heart attack the previous year while delivering the Gifford lectures in Scotland and remained in poor health over the year between that and her death (4) her death interrupted the final part of her last work, The Life of the Mind, which she was working on that evening. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 16:04, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
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I'm going to claim this review right now, with the caveat that it may be a little while before I am able to sit down and give this the attention that it really deserves (and it may be a slightly bitty review). I'm far from an expert on Arendt, but I am familiar with her work and some of the secondary literature.
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Let me start with a few general comments from the first look:
I will find time to take a proper look through in due course; I want to be able to sit down with this properly! Josh Milburn ( talk) 17:00, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
1. Bluelinks. It is always interesting how in reviews one reviewer insists one not do something, the next reviewer insists you do. Case in point, underlinking and overlinking. On my last review, the reviewer removed most of the links, stating that the current philosophy, is to be very sparing. In particular pointing to What not to link. This was my reason for not linking sovereign states, which I see you have restored.
2. Redlinks. Some are more enthusiastic about this than others. I tend to think if one is going to redlink, one should provide the missing page. So I didn't link The Life of the Mind. Now I feel I need to start a page on that book. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 15:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
3. Denken. I used "thinking" over "thought", which you seem to prefer, because like Heidegger, she repeatedly returns to Denken as a core concept. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 15:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
4. Revisions to article of October 20 reviewed -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 13:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Earwig's Copyvio Detector reported a 78% match with Eichmann in Jerusalem. I have gone through this very carefully, and appears to be a false positive entirely due to the use of attributed quotations. Other matches are due to inclusion of similar items in bibliography. -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 17:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Checked for internal and external links -- Michael Goodyear ✐ ✉ 18:03, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Ok: I'm going to take a proper look end-to-end:
1 I think we need to be very selective in our use of links to other Wikipedias. I see we link to the German Wikipedia article on Max Arendt; why not create a redlink? Same for the link to her dissertation, Erwin Loewenson, Benno von Wiese, Hugo Friedrich, and perhaps others. If they're notable, create a redlink!
2 Is this in British English, American English, or something else? I see American dates, but note favourable
3 You sometimes provide dates for the people mentioned, sometimes not. I confess I can't really work out your system.
4 I wonder whether it would be better to start referring to her as "Arendt" once you start the "career" section?
5 Italics. "for a grant to the Notgemeinschaft der Deutschen Wissenschaft" A grant to NDW? And why italics?
1 "whose politics were social democracy" Why not something like "who were social democrats"? The current option is a little wordy.
2 The second paragraph of the lead is very long. Do you think there is a natural way to split it? I wonder whether "Divorcing Stern" or "She settled in" would be good places to start a new paragraph.
1 "and women who shared the loss of husbands and children" This is a little prosaic
2 "Margarethe Fuerst (Fürst 1884–1942)" Fuerst or Fürst? This is a little confusing.
3 "When Königsberg appeared to be no longer threatened, they returned after ten weeks, spending the remaining war years there at her grandfather's house." This sentence is a little all over the place. Could you perhaps try to smoothen it out?
4 Kurt Blumenfeld or Karl Blumenfeld?
1 "After Heidelberg, where Günther completed the first draft of his Habilitation thesis, the Sterns then moved to Frankfurt where Günther hoped to complete it" This isn't clear. What does it refer to? The first draft? An earlier clause says that the first draft was complete.
2 and turned instead to Rahel Varnhagen and the question of assimilation as the subject" What does this mean?
3 "Das Frauenproblem in der Gegenwart. Eine psychologische Bilanz" You normally provide translations?
4 *Who is Anne Mendelssohn? She is mentioned without any introduction.
Ok, stopping there for now. I've made it to the end of the "Germany" subsection of the "career" section. Please double-check my edits.
Josh Milburn (
talk)
08:24, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
5 *"She described the process of making refugees as "the new type of human being created by contemporary history...put into concentration camps by their foes and into internment camps by their friends"." Arendt did, or her mother did?
6 *Is it really right to title the section "Internment and escape" when she acquired release papers?
Stopping there for now. Josh Milburn ( talk) 07:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Michael Goodyear and Josh Milburn: Both of you have put a lot into this review and it looks like it might be close to being done. The main comment that I will mention is that separation of the Career section and the Works section seems a little unexpected. That is to say, her career was largely the writing of her works, and her written works do represent her career. If the two sections can be brought together and merged into one section it looks like the article is nearly done. CodexJustin ( talk) 16:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
I invite another reviewer to take over.He took himself off the review, you've taken over, and it's now solely your decision whether to approve or not. Thanks. BlueMoonset ( talk) 15:20, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
yes this is true, but she always said, that her point of view is the Jewish perspective, because she was attackes as a jewish from the germans. The same sentencs is in the german articel.-- Ot 13:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Hier wurde am 14. 10 1906 die deutsch-jüdische Historikerin und politische Philosophin Hannah Arendt geboren. (Eng: The German-Jewish historian and political philosopher Hannah Arendt was born here on October 14, 1906.) [3]
Joel Mc 18:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
In a letter to Karl Jaspers wrote Hannah 17. december 1946: "... ob ich Deutsche oder Jüdin sei. Ehrlich gesagt, es ist mir persönlich egal. ... Ich möchte sagen: Politisch werde ich immer nur im Namen der Juden sprechen, sofern ich gezwungen bin meine Nationalität anzugeben. ..." Have I to translate it Joel?-- Ot 18:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Hannah Arendt (Johanna Arendt, * 14. Oktober 1906 in Linden, heute Teil von Hannover; † 4. Dezember 1975 in New York) war eine jüdische Publizistin und Gelehrte deutscher Herkunft. (Eng: ... was a jewish writer and scholar of German origin.)
2A02:908:2216:6BA0:4452:682B:3339:9699 ( talk) 11:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
She wasn't German she was Jewish, you can't be both - (unsigned)
Yes you can. Millions are, have been and will be. She was. --- Dagme ( talk) 04:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
!!!!this is not a trick question at all!!!. trick is: why is this question here and unsigned? if this person do not have the coraged to sign it or formulate more precise the intention of the question, this question should not be published, in my opnion. because that is the way fachists and other criminals do their business and i think we should not allowed wikipedia to be a place for bigotry. behid this question could be a statement of no acceptance of the fact that hanna arentd is german and jewish, not to mation a great thinker. she was borned in germany and raised in germany and only have to live her country because the nazis. i do suggest that this question be erased unless the questioner do sign it and make this question more clear in its intentions. 01:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)dontneed
Have you heard about judaism being a nationality?! - I haven't. To me it is a religion and does by no means contradict being of German or any other nationality! (F.B.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.58.11 ( talk • contribs) 19 March 2006
Great, the Israel will have no problem with letting in all the arabs that wanna come. Judaism is not an ethnicity. Got it, jews is a religion. Couldn't be clearer. 146.247.83.107 ( talk) 01:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC) 01:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC) 146.247.83.107 ( talk)
Why do you complain about 217.83.58.11 when you basically agree with him ? You don`t like Yekkes, do you ? As regards Hannah, she always retained a thick German accent (as did Leo Strauss). So much for her being an American. P.S.: You`re the kind of person who vilified Arendt for her book on the Eichmann trial. Stop watching FAUX NEWS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.174.188.212 ( talk) 16:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
who are you people?! this question is somewhat ignorant. one should know that Klaningrad is still a Russian city.
I'd suggest to list her as an American Jew since she was stripped off from German citizenship and became later a citizen of the US. An alternative might be German born American Jew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.225.73.210 ( talk) 04:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Just going back to the ridiculous first statement. That's like saying 'he's not Spanish, he's Catholic'!! or 'she's not Indian, she's Hindu'!! What utter nonsense. Hannah Arendt was German by nationality and Jewish by faith. It's quite simple. Judaism is not a nationality. So to the person who wrote the original statement. Don't be a twit!! Detmold64 3rd January 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.232.159 ( talk) 22:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Gave her nationality as German-born following standard procedure as for example with another German-born assimilated Jew, Albert Einstein, but added the important special features of her nationality---escaping Holocaust and becoming an American citizen---later in intro. CharlesHBennett ( talk) 15:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
With regard to the citizenship, which is probably the least controversial issue in this discussion, I would like to refer to the article on Hannah Arendt in the german version of Wikipedia. It claims that "[...] Nachdem sie vom nationalsozialistischen Regime 1937 ausgebürgert worden war, war sie staatenlos, bis sie 1951 die US-amerikanische Staatsbürgerschaft erhielt."
This could be interpreted as "She was deprived of her citizenship by the Nazi regime in 1937. From then on she was stateless until 1951. Then she was granted the US-American citizenship"
To the best of my knowledge, the Freistaat Preußen ceased to exist as a state sometime in between 1933 and 1934, when the Nazis enforced the so called Gleichschaltung. This Gleichschaltung was certainly violating the constitution, but was yet effective. By decree, from the February 7th 1934 on there was no such thing as a Prussian citizenship any longer. Factually, from then on Hannah Arendt hat the citizenship of the Deutsche Reich.
The article further reports, that during her immigration, she suffered from the circumstance of being a refugee. She later cherished the naturalization and regarded herself an an American. 2A02:908:2216:6BA0:D811:737:F13C:F9EA ( talk) 19:11, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that is a convincing notion. I must admit, that it is much more difficult to figure out her personal attitude about her ethnic or national identity than it is to figure out her formal citizenship by strict terms of law. Even though the latter seems to be complicated enough. It would not be a great surprise, when her respective attitude would have changed over her lifetime. By the time that she was stateless, in 1943, she addressed this question in her article "Wir Flüchtlinge". Here, she advocates a rather cosmopolitan self-conception. To put it more precisely, she encouraged her fellow refugees to claim more self-esteem. To her, being a refugee would be an identity in its own right. She first published this article in a newspaper addressing a jewish audience. It is undisputed, that she was closely related to the zionist movement. Jewish organizations supported her most during the very period in her life, when she needed it most. For a long time, she was not welcome anywhere, including the united states. She also spoke up for a binational state of israel, including both jews and arabs with equal rights. Later in her biography, she seems to have regard herself as an US-American citizen.
I stop here. We could continue considering her personal opinion for a long time. Or the view of her contemporaries. The result will be, that matters are not as simple as that. Since she is an outstanding person, many would like to claim her as a compatriot. Just like Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. Now that he has become a celebrity, the Germans call him a German and the Austrians call him an Austrian. During his lifetime, he was ill-treated by both. What does that remind you of?
However, the beginning of this discussion was the question as to "Why is she listed as "German?". It is safe to say that she was more than that.
2A02:908:2216:6BA0:4452:682B:3339:9699 ( talk) 09:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I feel like reverting you removal of links, because it's a GA, so approved quality. Please check: A link in the lead should be repeated in the body. A link to a work should be repeated in the Work section. There may be other reasons to make an exception. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
The lead is just ridiculous. Why is her father's syphilis in there? Her affairs and marriages? Her early life was exciting and dangerous, but Arendt is famous because was a political philosopher, not because she was a refugee. Most of the lead is details of things that have nothing to do with Arendt's importance. The reader coming to the page will want to know who she was, the general outlines of her thought, and why she is important. Biographical trivia should be in their own section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.170.64 ( talk) 10:35, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Article currently states:
Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?
(Who, if I cried out, would hear me among the angel's hierarchies?)
Shouldn't the translation of Engel be _angels'_ instead of _angel's_?
"Engel" here is plural. (Singular would be "…aus des Engels Ordnungen".) -- 176.199.18.181 ( talk) 23:26, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
I think it’s as long as the entry on Kant! Yes, I read the archived comments, and it’s no defense to point out that the article on Christopher Hitchens is of similar length. Neither one is exactly a world-historical figure. I know I have read many articles on much more significant people which were much shorter. 68.82.158.175 ( talk) 05:45, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Why are four separate references needed to source two words of IPA?? Another pointless revert Aza24 (talk) 23:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)